Will this be the last one?

[The Shape]

alot of people saying they won't see it? believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.

once again, tobey maguire and kirsten dunst DO NOT make this franchise, Spider-Man does, as long as there are GOOD scripts, people will flock to see Spider-man movies, not for tobey, not for kirsten, not for Raimi, but for Spider-Man. And once again, tobey is already 31 freakin years old. He's older than the guy playing Superman, for pete's sake. He looks young now, but all of a sudden, his age will start to show, and then what will happen? We'll have a 35 yr old Spider-Man on screen.

I was on these very forums when jake gyllenhaal (sp?) almost got the Spider-man roll because tobey was whining about his back before Sm2 started shooting. They were so quick to recast Peter, didn't even think twice about it. Why? Because the movie is about Spider-Man, not tobey maguire. I'm glad they know the actors don't make the franchise, the character does.

the jake gyllenhal situation was different. that was the second film of the series, which was needed, because the spider-man story was not yet complete. after SM3 completes this trilogy, all bets are off.

plus, we're not only possibly losing our core cast (dunst, maguire, franco). there's a great chance that we'll lose our director. making those replacements for one of the most successful film franchises of all time and moving straight into a 4th film is a mistake, and sony knows this.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This was what I have been saying as well... Spiderfan just seems to think Sony would do everything they can to sign everyone back... a younger cast however would prolong the franchise to more than 4 movies... you look at other franchises that went beyond 3 films... and they are so different...

Indy 4... Harrison is the face of the franchise
Rocky: Stallone is the face of the franchise
LW4: Can't do it without Mel/Glover
Supes: Even with Reeves... 3/4 sucked...

All I am saying is that Tobey is not the face of the franchise... you can afford to recast... but if you recast one (ala Dunst)... why not recast em all... Raimi is not soley responsible for the success of this franchise so they can move on with a new director at the helm as well... and make even more than a 4th movie conclusion... if there are so many stories left to be told... we need a new cast that will stick with it till the end

There is not enough BO potential for 6 movies. Sure, Spidey has a lot of villains, but he only has a select few that can man a movie as a main villain. Hobgoblin is far too many goblins at this point, Lizard you're all against due to him being a scientist/mentor, Chameleon doesn't provide the action sequences, and that leaves Carnage, who has no overall plot, he just kills people. Do we really want lesser films with Electros or Kravens being the mastermind? They won't go over as well. Thus, BO potential falls, and people are complaining about recasting here, so it stands to reason regular people would too. I'd rather see one more film with this cast than 3 lesser ones with a potential Schumacher. Doing 6 movies is ****ing the franchise out, not doing one more and ending it for now. It is safer, and I think would turn out a more quality picture.

 

[FaT_tONle]

There is not enough BO potential for 6 movies. Sure, Spidey has a lot of villains, but he only has a select few that can man a movie as a main villain. Hobgoblin is far too many goblins at this point, Lizard you're all against due to him being a scientist/mentor, Chameleon doesn't provide the action sequences, and that leaves Carnage, who has no overall plot, he just kills people. Do we really want lesser films with Electros or Kravens being the mastermind? They won't go over as well. Thus, BO potential falls, and people are complaining about recasting here, so it stands to reason regular people would too. I'd rather see one more film with this cast than 3 lesser ones with a potential Schumacher. Doing 6 movies is ****ing the franchise out, not doing one more and ending it for now. It is safer, and I think would turn out a more quality picture.

It's better than a Lizard movie that kills the franchise with cast changes, etc... then the franchise is done for another 25 years... I am not saying make the sequels 3 years from now... maybe in like 10/15 years... w/e we disagree so let's stop arguing... I just hope you realize you won't be getting your Lizard solo movie with the same cast any time soon... maybe Sony will prove me wrong but the ball is on their side of the court... let em do as they will... I'm pretty convinced they know that there is no where left to take MJ/Peter's relationship, etc

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's better than a Lizard movie that kills the franchise with cast changes, etc... then the franchise is done for another 25 years... I am not saying make the sequels 3 years from now... maybe in like 10/15 years... w/e we disagree so let's stop arguing... I just hope you realize you won't be getting your Lizard solo movie with the same cast any time soon... maybe Sony will prove me wrong but the ball is on their side of the court... let em do as they will... I'm pretty convinced they know that there is no where left to take MJ/Peter's relationship, etc

They thought that in the comics for many years, yet they keep coming out monthly. You can still do many things with these characters. They have been finding new things every month since the early 60's. By that, four movies isn't hard.

Also, never said the Lizard would be solo.

 

[FaT_tONle]

They thought that in the comics for many years, yet they keep coming out monthly. You can still do many things with these characters. They have been finding new things every month since the early 60's. By that, four movies isn't hard.

Also, never said the Lizard would be solo.

Ya since the comics are so like the movies... oh yeah and then throw in Halloween costume Kraven in New York city... great fit... not... look I'm not saying the story isn't there... but why waste it now. Just be patient and wait for the sequels and let them get it right.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Ya since the comics are so like the movies... oh yeah and then throw in Halloween costume Kraven in New York city... great fit... not...

What do the Halloween costumes have to do with anything. Comics are collections of stories, and are much smaller than movies. If you can find things to do consistantly in a 30 page book for 60 years, doing it for 4 movies is no problem. Too many people think you only can tell 3 stories, but that is a narrow point of view. Hundreds of movies come out every year, most with different stories. Why do you assume there is nothing else to tell? I think there is enough for another flick.

Again, I don't see BO potential enough for 6 movies. For 4, definately, but 6, no.

 

[FaT_tONle]

What do the Halloween costumes have to do with anything. Comics are collections of stories, and are much smaller than movies. If you can find things to do consistantly in a 30 page book for 60 years, doing it for 4 movies is no problem. Too many people think you only can tell 3 stories, but that is a narrow point of view. Hundreds of movies come out every year, most with different stories. Why do you assume there is nothing else to tell? I think there is enough for another flick.

Dude w/e... we disagree... can some mod close this sh:t already... one last note... I WANT A TRILOGY GOD DAMMIT!!!

 

[The Shape]

Dude w/e... we disagree... can some mod close this sh:t already... one last note... I WANT A TRILOGY GOD DAMMIT!!!

this thread doesn't need to be closed.
but i agree on the trilogy.

 

[stingray66]

I didn't read ALL the pages so if this repeats,sorry.

The director CERTAINLY makes the movie. He's the one that will fight for the source material. Fight the 'suit' that hold all the money.

A director can certainly BREAK a movie/franchise. COUGH,Cough***Schumacher***
Cough,COUGH***RATNER---sucx---***COUCG!!!!

The director is hired for his vision,story telling ability.
Granted the making of a movie has ALOT of imput and folks involved.

If Raimi isn't involved with SM 4. I fear it will go down the suk-tube like X3.

And if you liked X3. Well, I apologies. And your wrong.
I'm kidding.















Not,really.

 

[SLYspyder]

the jake gyllenhal situation was different. that was the second film of the series, which was needed, because the spider-man story was not yet complete. after SM3 completes this trilogy, all bets are off.

plus, we're not only possibly losing our core cast (dunst, maguire, franco). there's a great chance that we'll lose our director. making those replacements for one of the most successful film franchises of all time and moving straight into a 4th film is a mistake, and sony knows this.

It wasn't different. Bottom line is that they didn't stall production for long because of Tobey, they were ready to move on with a different actor.

How is it a mistake? So you're saying tobey and kirsten cannot be beaten as Parker and MJ, they are the best possible actors for the role? I definitely think not. And Raimi is the only director in Hollywood that can direct a good spider-man movie? That's definitely not the case. There are quite a few directors out there that can do Spider-Man justice.

 

[GoldGoblin]

People complain that Tobey will look to old if he keeps playing the part,then why don't they use that technology they used on X-3 that made Magneto and Xavier 25 years younger looking.If they can make those guys look that young,then they can easily make Tobey look 5 to 10 years younger.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yea I definitly think they could get a better MJ.

 

[SLYspyder]

There is not enough BO potential for 6 movies. Sure, Spidey has a lot of villains, but he only has a select few that can man a movie as a main villain. Hobgoblin is far too many goblins at this point, Lizard you're all against due to him being a scientist/mentor, Chameleon doesn't provide the action sequences, and that leaves Carnage, who has no overall plot, he just kills people. Do we really want lesser films with Electros or Kravens being the mastermind? They won't go over as well. Thus, BO potential falls, and people are complaining about recasting here, so it stands to reason regular people would too. I'd rather see one more film with this cast than 3 lesser ones with a potential Schumacher. Doing 6 movies is ****ing the franchise out, not doing one more and ending it for now. It is safer, and I think would turn out a more quality picture.

Doing 6 mission impossible movies is ****ing the franchise out. Doing 10 Spider-Man movies isn't close to ****ing it out. Saying that is like saying the Spider-Man comics should've stopped 20 years ago.

Do you seriously know how many villains there are that have potential? Not to talk of team-ups. Not to even mention any of the villains that died in previous movies could be brought back.

 

[The Shape]

It wasn't different. Bottom line is that they didn't stall production for long because of Tobey, they were ready to move on with a different actor.

How is it a mistake? So you're saying tobey and kirsten cannot be beaten as Parker and MJ, they are the best possible actors for the role? I definitely think not. And Raimi is the only director in Hollywood that can direct a good spider-man movie? That's definitely not the case. There are quite a few directors out there that can do Spider-Man justice.

actually...it WAS different, because at the time, only SM1 had been made. the core cast and raimi were pretty much signed for a sequel. so if tobey wasn't gonna be able to make the shoot, the production had to continue...with or without him.

after SM3, there will be a complete story arc. and none of the core cast are signed for a sequel. same goes for raimi.

now, i know there are several actors who could fill tobey and kirsten's shoes. except tobey IS peter parker/spider-man now. kirsten IS mary jane. it's been that way for 3 movies now and several years.

so not only is there no reason to add to the story arc that will be completed in SM3, but the next movie would lose the names that have become synonymous with those characters. AND the director of all the previous installments.

it IS a mistake to make such replacements in one of the most successful film franchise ever...and then pump out another movie. if they're smart, they'll let SM3 end this series...and then pick up with a new series years later.

 

[SLYspyder]

People complain that Tobey will look to old if he keeps playing the part,then why don't they use that technology they used on X-3 that made Magneto and Xavier 25 years younger looking.If they can make those guys look that young,then they can easily make Tobey look 5 to 10 years younger.

wow, or better yet. Get another actor that can play peter Parker so they don't have to reedit the whole damn movie because of one person's face.

 

[The Shape]

Doing 6 mission impossible movies is ****ing the franchise out. Doing 10 Spider-Man movies isn't close to ****ing it out. Saying that is like saying the Spider-Man comics should've stopped 20 years ago.

Do you seriously know how many villains there are that have potential? Not to talk of team-ups. Not to even mention any of the villains that died in previous movies could be brought back.

it doesn't matter how many villians they have. the story is about SPIDER-MAN.

and you really can't compare these movies to the comics, because while a comic comes out monthly, movies come out every few years. oh, and movies like this cost over $200 million. it's not easy to pump these babies out like it is for comics.

 

[GoldGoblin]

wow, or better yet. Get another actor that can play peter Parker so they don't have to reedit the whole damn movie because of one person's face.

^The studio would rather do that than risk having a new actor replace him.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Doing 6 mission impossible movies is ****ing the franchise out. Doing 10 Spider-Man movies isn't close to ****ing it out. Saying that is like saying the Spider-Man comics should've stopped 20 years ago.

Do you seriously know how many villains there are that have potential? Not to talk of team-ups. Not to even mention any of the villains that died in previous movies could be brought back.

Spider-Man has a large collection of villains. He does, I never said anything different. My point is that the majority of them are not main villains. He only has a few left that could be the mastermind of the plot. If we continue to 6 movies, they will only get worse, especially if they hire the wrong guy. I would rather see one more with this cast and see a reboot done like 8 years from now, than see them continue on to 6 movies. Again, I highly doubt Sony will ever reach 6 films, and I think the 4th movie is far more likely, especially since people like Tobey have said they'd come back. I see it as the more likely, and better quality route.

 

[GoldGoblin]

They should have Chameleon be MJ's stalker who is obsessed with her,where he has a holographic belt that makes him become a shapeshifter.Then we could see him become Peter at times so he could be with her.

Maybe this is the only way Kirsten would come back to make another one,if her character had something new to do in the movie.And we could see an evil MJ in the movie even though it would really be the Chameleon.

And the Chameleon could also be the key that gives us the Scorpion.Because he could be Peter when Jonh Jameson confronts Peter,and the two fight.And in the fight the Chameleon's holographic belt gets hit and the Chameleon changes from Peter to spidey.

Then when the Chameleon kills John some witness with a camcorder tapes it,and sends it to the Daily Bugle where JJJ sees it and ends up creating the Scorpion to kill spidey.

The Scorpion would be the one to give us the action scenes with spidey since the Chameleon wouldn't be able to do it.But the Chameleon could be like cancer though in the movie.

Then if Kirsten doesn't want to make S-M5,who cares because you will have the Lizard/Kraven story.

And S-M6 would be the Sinister Six.

 

[SLYspyder]

Spider-Man has a large collection of villains. He does, I never said anything different. My point is that the majority of them are not main villains. He only has a few left that could be the mastermind of the plot. If we continue to 6 movies, they will only get worse, especially if they hire the wrong guy. I would rather see one more with this cast and see a reboot done like 8 years from now, than see them continue on to 6 movies. Again, I highly doubt Sony will ever reach 6 films, and I think the 4th movie is far more likely, especially since people like Tobey have said they'd come back. I see it as the more likely, and better quality route.

what the hell did I just say? Villains can be brought back to life. 2 "minor" villains can team up to provide a huge threat. Alot of these C villains could be revamped and made into powerhouses.

Please, come up with better ideas as to how sequels won't work because villains are definitely not the issue.

 

[FaT_tONle]

This this thread is clearly divided across the line, which isn't a bad thing... but the question we got to be asking...

Do we want the franchise to continue with new actors and a new director as immediate sequels to SM3 3 years from now?

We can't just assume Raimi and Tobey will be back (and the bottom line is... we have to accept recasting at some point in time)... now whether they want six movies are four movies is all up to Sony, but the bottom line is... we'll get a sequel eventually... the thing that really annoys me though is that a lot of people are saying it's a given that Raimi and Tobey will be back as long is the money is right... this is a ridiculous notion considering all that is involved... so do we want immediate sequels with a new crew... this is THE question Sony will be asking themselves when they think it is time for more films. I seriously wouldn't mind if they brought in new people... but as most of us agree... Raimi and Tobey do not make this franchise and they aren't as important as everyone deems them to be.

 

[SLYspyder]

This this thread is clearly divided across the line, which isn't a bad thing... but the question we got to be asking...

Do we want the franchise to continue with new actors and a new director as immediate sequels to SM3 3 years from now?

yes we do, it keeps things fresh.

 

[FaT_tONle]

yes we do, it keeps things fresh.

I agree... just don't rush it... take a four year break or so...

 

[GoldGoblin]

I agree... just don't rush it... take a four year break or so...

^The only reason why S-M3 took 3 years to come out from the second movie is because of the CGI of Sandman,other villains wouldn't need that much time to work on with CGI,so they can release S-M4 two years after this third movie.

 

[The Shape]

^The only reason why S-M3 took 3 years to come out from the second movie is because of the CGI of Sandman,other villains wouldn't need that much time to work on with CGI,so they can release S-M4 two years after this third movie.

not gonna happen. like i said, sony is too smart to recast and find a new director of such a succesful franchise and pump out another sequel in 2 years. it's not a smart move.