The Dark Knight Rises Will this movie break the trilogy curse?

People said the same about Spider-Man 3. :cwink:

But so far, it seems very likely.

There's no studio intervention this time. Raimi was influenced by the studio and producer Avi Arad to shove the Symbiote Saga into SM3.

Indeed. Within that group, there will be some who will turn on BB and TDK as well, just as people turned on SM1 and SM2 after SM3 came out.

Yeah I find myself having to defend 1 & 2 now since people also consider those "cheesy" and "campy." It's sad, really. Most of my friends still love them, though.

OT: Yeah, from what I've seen, it will. It's Nolan after all. Hasn't made a bad film just yet.
 
It's Chris Nolan, so it definitely will be a coherent film that tells a good story. We don't have to worry about Bruce Wayne swinging from Chandeliers, strutting to disco music or anyone saying corny lines like "I'M THE BANE, *****!"

But.. I'm worried that the movie might be.. boring.

Yes, there will be plenty of action, but LoS? Tahlia? Eh. I never liked them all that much. I've had a few other concerns I mentioned in another thread, but don't want to bother re-posting them here.

I want TDKR to be more in the style of TDK, and not BB.

But I think it will be good.
 
What trilogy curse? There are plenty of great 3rd installments as there are bad ones - Toy Story 3, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, The Bourne Ultimatum, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, Army of Darkness, Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, Die Hard With a Vengeance was at least better than Die Hard 2, and hell, even Revenge of the Sith was the best of its trilogy (not that that's high praise or anything...). And while not the conclusions to one story like TDKR will be, Goldfinger and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban are arguably two of the strongest entries in their long respective franchises.

lol, none of those are superhero movies.
 
I hope no!
Just to see the meltdown of the hard-core fans!!! haha
 
I think the only thing this movie may NOT have is a very theatrical villain that puts the general audiences' butts in the movie seats...

the Joker.

Everyone loves the Joker. It's a fact of life.

However...

This movie has Catwoman, so we shall see. If the promotion of Catwoman is a hit... then this movie will be fine.
 
I hope so.

I trust in Nolan, but it's like the pre-SuperBowl jitters people fans of a team get before the big game. We know he's good...pressure's on.
 
I've never been interested in Catwoman. In fact, I think she's the dumbest character in the Batman universe. Alongside King Tut, Egghead, and Crazy Quilt.

I dislike her as well, but she's not one of the lamest Bat characters, imo.
 
I hope no!
Just to see the meltdown of the hard-core fans!!! haha

You will be sadly disappointed.

The flaws and mistakes that destroyed third films such as Superman III, Batman Forever, Spider-Man 3, X-Men: The Last Stand and Blade: Trinity will not be the same deal with The Dark Knight Rises because the studio will not intervene and is on Christopher Nolan's side, a new director hasn't come onboard to mess up the vision of sorts and TDKR has its main heart and core of its actors from the very beginning in Batman Begins. The only thing I can see how TDKR wouldn't break the curse is if something devastating happens during the editing process, lol.

Now sure, I believe it won't get a higher rating/score than The Dark Knight mostly because EVERYONE will come out of the woods to watch the classic battle between Batman and Joker, but TDKR will obviously be given a good score for what it's worth.

Just my two cents.
 
What trilogy curse? There are plenty of great 3rd installments as there are bad ones - Toy Story 3, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, The Bourne Ultimatum, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, Army of Darkness, Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, Die Hard With a Vengeance was at least better than Die Hard 2, and hell, even Revenge of the Sith was the best of its trilogy (not that that's high praise or anything...). And while not the conclusions to one story like TDKR will be, Goldfinger and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban are arguably two of the strongest entries in their long respective franchises.

The curse goes to CBMs mostly because of course there has been a great number of third films and trilogies that has outdone the typical "curse".
 
Yeah I find myself having to defend 1 & 2 now since people also consider those "cheesy" and "campy." It's sad, really. Most of my friends still love them, though.
It amazes me how whimsical some peoples opinions are.
I dislike her as well, but she's not one of the lamest Bat characters, imo.
Sorry to hear, she's always been my favorite female in comics so I'm stoked about her inclusion.
 
I actually enjoyed X-Men 3 more than the first one. There were several good things about it I felt were overshadowed by the things that people didn't like.

I felt Iceman turning ice was a plus. Definitely something the first two movies left out that I'd been waiting to see. The Wolverine/Colossus combo was a nice touch. Bringing in Beast, a major player who'd been left out, and the casting choice, were both pluses. Juggernaut, although his costume design could've used some improvement, was a nice addition to the cast, though more screen time would have been nice. Same with Angel. Kinda cool to see him on film finally, but shoulda had more screen time. The Golden Gate Bridge scene was pretty epic. Definitely enjoyed that. And although Xavier's death was a huge deviation from the comics, I felt it was an emotionally powerful scene. Didn't bother me so much, and the snippet at the end sorta redeemed it. As for the first one, I appreciate that it sorta helped start the modern comic-to-movie movement, but it's not a movie that really grabs my attention. It has it's moments, but overall, the third installment was more entertaining...to me anyway. The 2nd one still beats the both of them. First Class too.
 
Chris Nolan is on board, with the same cast & crew, with an exciting collection of villains, and the aid of his brother writing the script & concluding this story.

Yep, I have complete faith this will be a good movie.
 
Yeah there are a lot of good/great 3rd installments in movie history (some already mentioned here):

Goldfinger
The Good The Bad and The Ugly
Return of the King
Return of the Jedi
Toy Story 3
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
M:iIII
Bourne 3
 
Maybe, maybe not.

Right now I believe it is 50/50.

As good as Batman Begins was, it was simply how it differed in direction that gave it its "freshness" when it was released.

Now that it ain't so fresh anywhere, if I were to watch it today, I totally cringe at the second half of the film. It felt like an unedited "list of things we have to do" sort of deal where Nolan just pieced together footage to tell a story. Too many quick cuts back and forth with very little transition.

TDK was much better but it had some fat to be trimmed at certain areas. There are some plot holes and I didn't care much for Gordon' faking of his death. It felt too contrived just to add some "character" and melodrama to Gordon. We know that Gordon wouldn't die so early. And what's the deal with the timing of the window curtain? Was it to set up in case Batman arrives or was it to just create a diversion? Again, I might not be the brightest dude on these boards but I think these little mini-subplots and gags just slows down the story.

I also felt they wasted Two Face as well. He is a better character than what they showed on screen. Even though Two Face was written as a "backbone" to TDK, with the way Heath transferred into the Joker and all, I did not care or feel for Two Face's journey even one bit. Aaron Eckhart is a very bland, dry and wide-eyed, two dimension actor (no pun intended). He looks the part perhaps on a poster but when the film is rolling, I thought he was just doing his lines. I thought they could use someone with much more charmisa, someone who is more dramatic and who can actually make me give two bits when his face is about to get blown off. Again, this is just a personal greviance, I don't think many complained about Eckhart other than myself. Either way, I don't think TDK would have been the great ride that it was if Heath was never there and nothing as good or better as his Joker was present. As soon as you take out of the Joker scenes, TDK becomes less of a movie than even Begins.

Now that TDKR will soon arrive, I think it could disappoint if they don't put enough focus on Bruce Wayne and Batman's journey and waste too much time on gunk like water vaporaters, 3D Batman Sonar, hammy CSI bullet-fingerprinting detective sequences (many in the theater did not get, or cared for this).

I also fear that right now we're already sitting on top of a very large amount of characters. You have to do Bane, Catwoman, Gordon, Ras, possibly Talia, and all the other supporting cast justice all while making a thoughtful and meaningful conclusion to Batman's arc. That is a tall order.

And I know this is just preliminary but the set pics aren't shaping up to be all that grand. Batman in the daytime partaking in a massive free-for-all brawl against Bane in a Sabretooth coat? If it fits the story, that scene will look good. But it better fit that story DAMN WELL, because otherwise it'll just look really odd and out of place.

Just a prediction: I believe that Nolan wants to make Bane appear to be Ras's pet project that's gone haywire. Perhaps Bane is someone who Ras thought he could trust to destroy Bruce but ends ballooning out of hand once he reaches Gotham (thus setting up a LoS/Bane/Batman triangle).
 
It's Chris Nolan, so it definitely will be a coherent film that tells a good story. We don't have to worry about Bruce Wayne swinging from Chandeliers, strutting to disco music or anyone saying corny lines like "I'M THE BANE, *****!"

But.. I'm worried that the movie might be.. boring.

Yes, there will be plenty of action, but LoS? Tahlia? Eh. I never liked them all that much. I've had a few other concerns I mentioned in another thread, but don't want to bother re-posting them here.

I want TDKR to be more in the style of TDK, and not BB.

But I think it will be good.
I have a feeling that those "extra" characters might make this movie feel blotted and unnecessary in certain areas, making its pacing uneven (somewhat like TDK at certain times, usually when the Joker is not present).
 
You will be sadly disappointed.

The flaws and mistakes that destroyed third films such as Superman III, Batman Forever, Spider-Man 3, X-Men: The Last Stand and Blade: Trinity will not be the same deal with The Dark Knight Rises because the studio will not intervene and is on Christopher Nolan's side, a new director hasn't come onboard to mess up the vision of sorts and TDKR has its main heart and core of its actors from the very beginning in Batman Begins. The only thing I can see how TDKR wouldn't break the curse is if something devastating happens during the editing process, lol.

Now sure, I believe it won't get a higher rating/score than The Dark Knight mostly because EVERYONE will come out of the woods to watch the classic battle between Batman and Joker, but TDKR will obviously be given a good score for what it's worth.

Just my two cents.
Actually that might be a good reason why TDKR might be the best of all 3 movies. Because TDK is so highly prized by the general audience, Nolan has to work extra extra hard to make TDKR an even bigger and more meaningful movie. Maybe that will be what pushes it above and beyond. And besides, as good as TDK is, it's still no Godfather. It CAN be improved upon. It's just that we're not the ones in control and it takes a lot of creativity and gut to make an improved product.
 
Well I can't really see this being a "bad movie". But I doubt it will be superior to the Dark Knight. You can't top the Joker. And I don't mean that in the sense of performance (which will also be hard to top). He is Batman's archenemy. Everyone else is second tier by design.
 
So what's the purpose of this thread? Us guessing whether this movie will be good or not? I dont get it...
 
50% of the posters will swear the curse will be broken, and the rest will find a new chance to rip Nolan's Batfilms a new one.
 
Nope . I have given up hope . Catwoman looks nothing like the comics . How can expect Nolan to make a good film if he can't even deliever a good costume ....... Nevermind the previous films . He is only coming back for the paycheck as the costume shows no effort ........:oldrazz:
 
From a personal stand point? No. But from a public stand point? Yes.
 
There's no studio intervention this time. Raimi was influenced by the studio and producer Avi Arad to shove the Symbiote Saga into SM3.



Yeah I find myself having to defend 1 & 2 now since people also consider those "cheesy" and "campy." It's sad, really. Most of my friends still love them, though.

OT: Yeah, from what I've seen, it will. It's Nolan after all. Hasn't made a bad film just yet.

This.

From a personal stand point? No. But from a public stand point? Yes.

What makes you say that?
 
Trilogy is messed already.

Tdk was not too hot...apart from oldman and joker
 
I've been worried about this since day 1. Right now it has huge shoes to fill (TDK) and a lot of things to tie up. I think if Batman dies as some have strangely wanted so badly, then no, the movie won't be good. He can't die and make it a successful film. Otherwise I hope it does
 

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