Transformers Will Transformers Trounce the Competition?

Although I havent seen Pirates 3 yet, one of the great things about Pirates (2) is that so much of the CGI is so good, it's almost unremarkable. I could never tell what was CGI and what was puppetry. In fact, I swore Davy Jones head was a Creature Shop puppet with *some* digital enhancements....

Transformers on the other hand is obviously CGI. It's freakin good CGI, but it still looks CGI. It kinda lacks weight (just judging by the quick clips in the trailers). It's all meant to look cool... but, like so many of these Bay/Emmerich/etc movies, it doesn't look particularly tangible. Hopefully, none of Transformers will be as bad one of the worst CGI scenes ever put to screen: King Kong's dino stampede scene (unfortunate... because I otherwise love Peter Jackson). But it does seem to have that sense of unreality.
 
IMHO, the CGI in Pirates 3 reached over-kill.

The last 40 minutes or so were dizzying. And not in a good way.

Overall, a disappointing film. :csad:
 
Although I havent seen Pirates 3 yet, one of the great things about Pirates (2) is that so much of the CGI is so good, it's almost unremarkable. I could never tell what was CGI and what was puppetry. In fact, I swore Davy Jones head was a Creature Shop puppet with *some* digital enhancements....

Transformers on the other hand is obviously CGI. It's freakin good CGI, but it still looks CGI. It kinda lacks weight (just judging by the quick clips in the trailers). It's all meant to look cool... but, like so many of these Bay/Emmerich/etc movies, it doesn't look particularly tangible. Hopefully, none of Transformers will be as bad one of the worst CGI scenes ever put to screen: King Kong's dino stampede scene (unfortunate... because I otherwise love Peter Jackson). But it does seem to have that sense of unreality.

I couldn't agree with you more. King Kong was a freaking mess. I loved Lord of the Rings but I thought Jackson was focused way to much on throwing too much on the screen in this one. King Kong is a much more personal story and no need to bog it down with that moronic stampede scene, or even the ridiculous bug scene. It was just dumb. I also hated the cliche ******ed dino's and raptors that always stumble and slip at the last moment. The best part of Kong was the non-action scenes, and of course the ending on the Empire State building. The rest was garbage. The scenes with the girl and Kong alone were awesome. As far as transformers I dont' recall ever seeing a movie that seemed so shallow. Perahps Independence Day is the closest thing...or Godzilla.
 
IMHO, the CGI in Pirates 3 reached over-kill.

The last 40 minutes or so were dizzying. And not in a good way.

Overall, a disappointing film. :csad:

Agree here too. Pirates 1 was great, 2 was superior to me and much more over the top fun. Part 3 was a dreary CGI nightmare. Yeah the CGI was some of the best I've seen but it was way too over the top and too damn grey. Everything was grey the entire film. LOL
 
It seems that every time a new CGI location/environment is introduced in a movie, we have to have an elaborate shot that takes in every square inch.

It's becoming boring. I can't understand why filmmakers, who are striving for photo-realism, waste so much time deliberately drawing out attention to their CGI.

Personally, I'm far more impressed when I have to re-watch a scene in order to decide if it is computer generated in some way.

Surely, that's the real aim of CGI?
 
You think Transformers looks shallow? I agree because I think they could have improved the story instead of simplifying things...but it seeming the most shallow movie you've seen? Isn't FF2 coming out in a couple of weeks? That movie doesn't seem shallow?
 
Um... you know those Bumblebee shots attached to the moving truck in a battle? Guess what- by the pics I saw... I'm guessing most of that was actually... PRACTICAL!

So whose to say what is CGI and what's not? That Bumblebee shot you saw in trailers you might think to be CGI- but there was a pic that showed all of that put together.
 
You think Transformers looks shallow? I agree because I think they could have improved the story instead of simplifying things...but it seeming the most shallow movie you've seen? Isn't FF2 coming out in a couple of weeks? That movie doesn't seem shallow?

I didn't think FF1 was extraordinarily shallow... sure it could have been better, but it wasn't aweful. And I just don't see how a movie could have the Surfer and be shallow... but I'll admit I haven't been keeping up on FF2. I just assume it will be passable (like the first).
 
I think this is a film that is really hard to predict how well it will do. I mean a lot of fans aren't happy with the way it is turning out and I myself am skeptical...BUT for anyone who is not a fan who just an enjoyable popcorn flick will probably be immensly satisfied and so could make more money off of none fans.

I don't think it will bring in more than Spidey 3, POTC 3 or Shrek 3 though.
 
I'm a nonfan and I'm REALLY hyped! I can't understand the complaints... but, I only know Transformers through this film and the script.
 
It seems that every time a new CGI location/environment is introduced in a movie, we have to have an elaborate shot that takes in every square inch.

It's becoming boring. I can't understand why filmmakers, who are striving for photo-realism, waste so much time deliberately drawing out attention to their CGI.

Personally, I'm far more impressed when I have to re-watch a scene in order to decide if it is computer generated in some way.

Surely, that's the real aim of CGI?

I agree 100%. But, Michael Bay pretty much invented or at least perfected that hackneyed "look at me! look at me!" shot (CGI or not). I fully expect loads of it in this movie, unfortunately.
 
I think TF will make something between $200m and $230m. Why?

1. It has great marketing strategy (good)

2. It has Harry Potter 5 and another Pixar's animation as two serious competitors (bad)

3. It was very huge fan base (good)

4. Half of this fan base are haters (bad)

5. It has amazing action scenes and great CGI shots (good)

6. There isn't so much story to show (bad)

7. It has runtime of 2 hours and 10 mins (good)

So countining all these facts, I think it will make something like $55-65m OW and get good legs. But it won't make anything more than $230m, because of Harry Potter 5, being release next week after TF's opening.
 
This film's performance will depend largely on its quality. Will it open well and make money? We all know it will........will it be a great movie going experience like so many are hoping for is the real question. Personally, I just don't see this film becoming the next mega-blockbuster franchise. Unless Bay and Spielberg have crafted an extremely well done balanced film, I don't see it. I think many on the hype had this film pegged from the beginning, War of the Worlds or ID4 type numbers, possibly similar audience reactions.

WoW: great fx, not to great a story though. (it was a remake of sorts, for what it's worth)
ID4: Wow factor, but shallow as all hell. Pushed alot of happy feel good buttons, but felt oh so corny at times. Simple.

I think many underestimate the sophistication of today's general audiences. Big explosions and fx will make money, but won't help it to reach mega-blockbuster status. Word of mouth is another huge factor.
 
4. Half of this fan base are haters (bad)


I think that is a serious misconception. It is more like 1/5th at best. Most real deal transformer fans know the characters evolved past the G1 designs years ago, and the movie designs are about as true to the characters as something like Armada is. Alot of people talking smack are just doing it to talk smack IMO, just like with any genre movie.
 
You think Transformers looks shallow? I agree because I think they could have improved the story instead of simplifying things...but it seeming the most shallow movie you've seen? Isn't FF2 coming out in a couple of weeks? That movie doesn't seem shallow?

No not at all. I think the Silver Surfer is the polar opposite of shallow. I also think the characters are very defined and very rich. The original movie might have been mediocre but the characters were established even though Doom and Reed were not up to the source material. That has nothing to do with the depth of the movie though. I'll go and see Transformers for the eye candy aspect though. I think it's gonna be a splattering of really cool looking CGI sequences where the people in the audience go "cool" but beyond that I seen nothing...yet.
 
Not sure if this is posted here yet but Harry Potter just moved it's date to July 11th, 2007 closer to Transformers.
 
Trust me, Transformers has a story. Albiet simple, but full of heart- in my opinion. It's whether or not you personally relate to it which is key.

The story is a simple one it's the journey of a teenage guy becoming a hero. It's the story of a teenage guy, his car, and getting the girl of his dreams.

Being around the same age as Sam, this is actually the most relatable character for me personally in all of these films combined (by that I mean one that is based off of a comic type property- or something that resembles that). I think it will probably be the same for most teenage guys and young college aged guys as well... beyond that? I really can't tell you, I don't know.

There are ALOT of other characters as well, but the key player is Sam, Bumblebee and Mikela- at least in my opinion. Because that's the branch of the story I relate to most.

This is one of those films that you have three side stories with their own interesting characters, personalities and arcs that eventually come together during the grand finale. Hell, we haven't even seen one side story AT ALL in these trailers.

But, I can tell you - to those just watching the trailers and thinking this film will be ALL about Transformers and little about the people in the world, you're going to be in for the surprise of your life. This is truly ID4 in ALL ways... and sure, ID4 may be considered 'shallow'- but, it's a triumphant of the human spirit. Joining together, uniting against a greater evil. I still feel great during that "this is independence day" speech, even though I know it could be considered corny.

Optimus doesn't show up until late into the SECOND or early in the THIRD act. That should give you an idea.... there is a LOT that happens before Optimus and the Transformers appear that we are actually seeing very little of in these trailers. Those who have read the script and are reading the novelization know this.

It's only that marketing wise- the human stories isn't exactly what is going to sell that well... I mean, it's going to sell- but if you had the choice to either showcase the Transformers or showcase the human stories, which do you think will get more people interested? Which is another reason I think the film might have good legs... those thinking "just robots" will probably come out saying, "that movie was better than I though- great effects, great action, and actually pretty cool characters (human) as well."

If you ask me personally, as someone who has read the first script for Transformers and the novel for FF2, although both are my next really really hyped films of the summer. To me at least, Transformers has the better characters and the most heart in it- at least on the page. It's just- they're not really aiming to sell three human stories and Transformers, their aiming to sell Transformers.

I guess it depends on your view point though. FF2 is an upgraded version of FF1. Whereas Transformers is really akin to ID4 and more 'Day After Tomorrow' than War of the Worlds... in that it has a story, great characters and these characters journeys are so spread apart, yet cohesive.

Just ramblings to the post, no particular order- but I think you got the point I was trying to make.
 
I think that is a serious misconception. It is more like 1/5th at best. Most real deal transformer fans know the characters evolved past the G1 designs years ago, and the movie designs are about as true to the characters as something like Armada is. Alot of people talking smack are just doing it to talk smack IMO, just like with any genre movie.
I agree. Go to any Transformers fan site(save the Movie site, its where hell's gate is) and you will find the majority support the movie.
 
^ I would think a majority of the posters on any fan site were supporters on some level if the site was specifically for that franchise.
 
^ Yeah X-Men, Daredevil, Man-Thing, Howard the Duck, Elektra sucked in my opinion but that's just me.

Fantstic Four was mediocre but I can live with that as long as it improves.

My favorites are:

X2,X3,Spidey 1-3, Hulk (yes Hulk) and especially blade 2 & 1 after that.

Punisher was above average for what it was.

Ghost Rider was 1-10 probably a 7.5 for me. I look at movies based on their own merit and try not to compared them to a fan boy's wishes or how true to the source they are. If they're great movies that's what they are.
 
Cool, then you are truly "more than meets the eye". I was asking because i always see you talking PRO Marvel, i mean you even encouraged people to invest in them as you have. It had me wondering with the FF2 comment if you tend to be a little biased concerning non-Marvel material, i see that's not the case. :)
 
if TF bombs, it'll be a worse upset than Superman Returns... *knocks on wood* if SR can manage to barely squish $200 out of our pockets i'll pretty much guarantee that TF will make at least that much. if TF doesn't live up to the hype then this summer's biggest films will all be disappointments...




...Transformers MUST succeed!
 
I think that is a serious misconception. It is more like 1/5th at best. Most real deal transformer fans know the characters evolved past the G1 designs years ago, and the movie designs are about as true to the characters as something like Armada is. Alot of people talking smack are just doing it to talk smack IMO, just like with any genre movie.

I agree. Go to any Transformers fan site(save the Movie site, its where hell's gate is) and you will find the majority support the movie.

As a lurker for almost a year and a half and a poster for the last year, I can say positively that the throngs of people against this movie have just given up and gone away.... most in disgust. I don't blame them. So, what you say might be true... but it's not indicative of anything. Lots of people just stopped caring long ago.

IMO, the largest contingency of fans, which no one would deny is G1 "lapsed" fans (grown-ups)- of which all my friends are though none of them post in any forum- view this movie with excitement but a lot of skepticism. This movie could EASILY strike out. It reminds me a lot of The Hulk... not to mention that everyone I know my age still has the Godzilla taste in their mouth.
 
if TF bombs, it'll be a worse upset than Superman Returns... *knocks on wood* if SR can manage to barely squish $200 out of our pockets i'll pretty much guarantee that TF will make at least that much. if TF doesn't live up to the hype then this summer's biggest films will all be disappointments...




...Transformers MUST succeed!

It will dude. Reading the latest update of the script via book format- and even now I think this will be the funniest blockbuster of the summer as well. :up:

So comedy, action, adventure, romance- everything you can think of seems to be there.

And to those being fast to shout "no story," have you even read the script or book? Or just shouting that due to the marketing team placing a larger emphasis on the Transformers action itself rather than the plot?

Guys, I'm surprised the glasses haven't even been mentioned yet... I think they might hold alot of that stuff for the film itself.
 

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