The Amazing Spider-Man With Great Power, Comes Great Lounging - Part 10

[Spiderdevil]

And Betty went into the office a couple of times and didn't just stay outside. Her conversations with Jameson were ten times more golden than the Jameson/Hoffman moments.

Apart from the fact that its you opinion,Betty is supposed to sit outside,she can come in now and then but they need a new guy inside the office to do the comedy,Robbie Robertson is supposed to be the serious kind so they couldnt use him here.
I think Hoffman was perfect for the role

Oh wow you're so wrong it's not even funny. Robin deserved to inherit the Batman mantle but on very different circumstances such as learning in his own way how evil a gun can be, with using his own detective skills throughout the film, trying to rescue the 3,000 cops at every chance he got, helping anyone he could leave Gotham City before the bomb is detonated. He earned his "stars and stripes".

IMO the movie suffered from having too many character,there wasnt adequate development and Nolan probably had to omit out a lot of scenes which were probably in the draft and now they seem like Plot holes(Like how does Blake come to know of Batman's identity,how does he get back into Gotham..etc)
Its my opinion that Nolan should have removed a character or two(Like Blake and Foley) to give the other characters more time and make the movie better

As for Blake,any guy who is honest and daring doesnt deserve to be Batman,Bruce Wayne trained for 7 continuous years before becoming Batman now a rookie cop can become the same just because he showed 2 daring and selfless acts?

 

[Picard Sisko]

I loved that part
Jameson's face was priceless

Oh yeah I forgot about that. I guess its just I was expecting a lot more from the symbiote Spider-Man, and instead we had him dancing down the street and acting like an idiot around the office.

Apart from the fact that its you opinion,Betty is supposed to sit outside,she can come in now and then but they need a new guy inside the office to do the comedy,Robbie Robertson is supposed to be the serious kind so they couldnt use him here.
I think Hoffman was perfect for the role


IMO the movie suffered from having too many character,there wasnt adequate development and Nolan probably had to omit out a lot of scenes which were probably in the draft and now they seem like Plot holes(Like how does Blake come to know of Batman's identity,how does he get back into Gotham..etc)
Its my opinion that Nolan should have removed a character or two(Like Blake and Foley) to give the other characters more time and make the movie better

As for Blake,any guy who is honest and daring doesnt deserve to be Batman,Bruce Wayne trained for 7 continuous years before becoming Batman now a rookie cop can become the same just because he showed 2 daring and selfless acts?

There was supposed to be another 10-15 minutes that explains Bane's origin, that's for sure. Unfortunately, Nolan refuses to release it.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Oh yeah I forgot about that. I guess its just I was expecting a lot more from the symbiote Spider-Man, and instead we had him dancing down the street and acting like an idiot around the office.

Yeah Raimi failed to understand the Symbiote persona
I am still mad at him for not using 'We'

 

[SpideyFan866]

Yeah Raimi failed to understand the Symbiote persona
I am still mad at him for not using 'We'

Agreed. That's one of the symbiote staples.

No way it should've been left out IMO.

And he kinda understood that it enhances aggression, but he executed it poorly.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I don't mind having my account suspended, I only went on there to troll anyway, so I deserved it. I'm more bummed that I can't access the site at all now. Not even to just look at the articles.

Isn't at least 90% of CBM's users there to troll though? Lol.

Apart from the fact that its you opinion,Betty is supposed to sit outside,she can come in now and then but they need a new guy inside the office to do the comedy,Robbie Robertson is supposed to be the serious kind so they couldnt use him here.
I think Hoffman was perfect for the role

Apart from your opinion that Betty is "supposed" to sit outside, she was well into the going ons with the Daily Bugle inside Jameson's office where Hoffman felt even more unnecessary, imo.

IMO the movie suffered from having too many character,there wasnt adequate development and Nolan probably had to omit out a lot of scenes which were probably in the draft and now they seem like Plot holes(Like how does Blake come to know of Batman's identity,how does he get back into Gotham..etc)

The only underused characters in TDKR is Foley and Jen so I don't see how you call it too many, but to each their own I suppose. But, what we did get of Foley was sufficient enough, the only character really lacking in my mind is Jen, but at least she wasn't really called Holly because they would not have respected that character enough if she was called Holly(just like them doing the right thing and going with Rachel Dawes in BB and not Harvey Dent).

But, those "plot holes" you bring up, I don't think they were needed to be explained in any draft to begin with. What we heard from Blake was enough and we didn't need to see a flashback to add with Blake's speech nor did we need to see Bruce finding his way back to Gotham when he was a trained ninja and when he knew everything about Gotham City more than the League itself.

Its my opinion that Nolan should have removed a character or two(Like Blake and Foley) to give the other characters more time and make the movie better

Disagree. Nolan should have just cut out characters from the beginning like Jen.

As for Blake,any guy who is honest and daring doesnt deserve to be Batman,Bruce Wayne trained for 7 continuous years before becoming Batman now a rookie cop can become the same just because he showed 2 daring and selfless acts?

That is part of your problem. You are assuming Blake is going to be Batman quickly and not decide to train. Bruce had to pass the mantle down to someone who showed daring and selfless acts without trying to look for someone in the same physical and mental shape as Bruce was in BB because no one would have had that same physical and mental shape in all of Gotham.

There was supposed to be another 10-15 minutes that explains Bane's origin, that's for sure. Unfortunately, Nolan refuses to release it.

There was supposed to be something of Bane's origin, yes, but where did you get 10-15 minutes of it?

I found what we got of Bane perfectly fine even without some origin showing Bane being trained infront of Ra's al Ghul(which what the scene was about).

 

[Picard Sisko]

I honestly don't remember where, but I read somewhere online from an interview that there was about 15 minutes cut that dealt with Bane's origin, and more scenes in the prison.

I don't think we got enough from Bane to be honest.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I would like to read that interview because I don't recall how much was with Bane's origin. And as for the prison, I have only seen one extra set pic of Selina Kyle walking out of that raid of the prisoners walking out, and that's it.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Isn't at least 90% of CBM's users there to troll though? Lol.

Sounds about right. I must have been too much for them.

 

[Anno_Domini]

^ Hah, SpiderMarvelite is one of those people, i.e. KaineParker.

 

[VenomSpawn]

He keeps changing his name over there. I don't know why.

Probably keeps getting banned and signing up again.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Grif's comments were more enjoyable than his to read, lol.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Yeah all the good trolls got banned. I think Grif came back under a new name, though.

But he got banned again I think, haha.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Grif is the guy who always posted "**** movie", right?

 

[VenomSpawn]

Yep

 

[Anno_Domini]

And even when one didn't agree, you always had a laugh when you read it because it was Grif's motto simply put. It was hilarious.

SpiderMarvelite on the other hand tries to bash TDKR and Avengers so much on CBM.com without even realizing the flaws TAS-M had, the same on these boards when he wasn't banned.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Apart from your opinion that Betty is "supposed" to sit outside, she was well into the going ons with the Daily Bugle inside Jameson's office where Hoffman felt even more unnecessary, imo.

Its not my opinion,the character was always like that.In the cartoons and the comics

But, those "plot holes" you bring up, I don't think they were needed to be explained in any draft to begin with. What we heard from Blake was enough and we didn't need to see a flashback to add with Blake's speech nor did we need to see Bruce finding his way back to Gotham when he was a trained ninja and when he knew everything about Gotham City more than the League itself.

Most people consider those two plotholes
And those two are just an example,there are several other plot holes
I am sure had Nolan given Blake's time on developing Bane and setting up his back story,it would have made the character and the movie as a whole a lot better

Disagree. Nolan should have just cut out characters from the beginning like Jen.

Doesnt matter who should have been cut out,what matters is that a couple of them should have been removed

That is part of your problem. You are assuming Blake is going to be Batman quickly and not decide to train. Bruce had to pass the mantle down to someone who showed daring and selfless acts without trying to look for someone in the same physical and mental shape as Bruce was in BB because no one would have had that same physical and mental shape in all of Gotham.

And that totally contradicts TDK when he stops the Hockey pad guys and says he doesnt want to influence people in that kind of way

 

[Picard Sisko]

Most people consider those two plotholes
And those two are just an example,there are several other plot holes
I am sure had Nolan given Blake's time on developing Bane and setting up his back story,it would have made the character and the movie as a whole a lot better.

Those are major plot holes. Especially how Bruce got back to Gotham. And yes, there are more to add onto the list.

Here's a couple of others I've noticed: when Bruce was in Bane's prison, he loses his leg brace. Suddenly, he can walk normally again.

How did Bruce's back heal? In the comics, wasn't magic used to fix him?

 

[Anno_Domini]

Its not my opinion,the character was always like that.In the cartoons and the comics

Isn't Jameson not the comedy relief in the comics, though? If Betty is someone that isn't meant to be in the office, then now we should be saying how Jameson shouldn't be comedy relief as well, right? Can't really say Betty is supposed to be one way and not Jameson, yes?

Most people consider those two plotholes
And those two are just an example,there are several other plot holes
I am sure had Nolan given Blake's time on developing Bane and setting up his back story,it would have made the character and the movie as a whole a lot better

Bruce's way into Gotham, sure, most people could consider that as a plot hole while some don't, but Blake knowing Batman's identity...I have never heard one person besides you say it's a plot hole. That doesn't even make sense for it to be a plot hole.

Doesnt matter who should have been cut out,what matters is that a couple of them should have been removed

So what I say doesn't matter but what you said does matter when we're saying the same exact thing? Guy, read before you reply...we're saying the EXACT damn thing there.

And that totally contradicts TDK when he stops the Hockey pad guys and says he doesnt want to influence people in that kind of way

You mean, you mean...the same guys that were using GUNS too?

Think about that for a second and then come back to me.

Those are major plot holes. Especially how Bruce got back to Gotham. And yes, there are more to add onto the list.

Here's a couple of others I've noticed: when Bruce was in Bane's prison, he loses his leg brace. Suddenly, he can walk normally again.

How did Bruce's back heal? In the comics, wasn't magic used to fix him?

Not getting into how his back was fixed as we see it in TDKR, but with the Pit being this version of the Lazarus Pit, I thought it was meant to show that the "healing factor" from the Lazarus Pit played in some factor with the Pit and how when Bruce climbed out of it he was anew and had a second chance at life which is why he stopped Bane and then moved on from his life as Batman. Also, when you see him fighting Bane, he doesn't use the bad leg really that much and when he even kicks Bane through City Hall's doors, he used his good leg.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I don't think Nolan would want Bane's prison to have any healing powers in his incarnation of Batman.

 

[Anno_Domini]

On a philosophical reason, it did. Bruce's back was healed, Bruce got back into fighting shape, it changed his stance on his own life...the Pit did a lot to Bruce, so stating that it made him new coming out is not far fetched at all. Only thinking it in simple terms would make it seem far fetched.

 

[Picard Sisko]

But that doesn't explain how his back was healed. Unless Batman has healing powers.

 

[Anno_Domini]

We see what happens to his back. If you didn't like it, then that's you.

 

[Picard Sisko]

He gets punched in the back to push the vertebrae back in place and left to hang on a rope until he heals. Did they reveal how long it took for him to heal? Weeks? Months?

 

[Anno_Domini]

I'd say it was a month or two until he was fully able to stand on his own.

I never understood such hate over that though. Didn't mind any old medical techniques being used on Bruce inside the Pit.

 

[Picard Sisko]

It should have taken a much longer time for his back to be able to heal. And his leg shouldn't have healed altogether since he lost all the cartilage in his knee.