The Amazing Spider-Man With Great Power, Comes Great Lounging - Part 10

I want to see Spider-Man wearing a cape

Know something? Nevermind. Part of Spider-Man's costume charm is looking good without the need for a cape or other accessory


I'm one of the few people who loves Spidey's Web pits (webs in the arm pits).
 
I never minded the web pits. Don't think I'd like them in live-action, but in a cartoon I'd be ok with it. Somehow, though, I put web pits with Spider-man 2099. Maybe that's just me.
 
The only time they were good in the 80s animated series Green Goblin episode when he was above central park to glide safely. Not sure if he used it more than that time
 
Isn't Jameson not the comedy relief in the comics, though? If Betty is someone that isn't meant to be in the office, then now we should be saying how Jameson shouldn't be comedy relief as well, right? Can't really say Betty is supposed to be one way and not Jameson, yes?
Not exactly comedy relief but Jameson is that kind of guy in the comics aswell
It was perfectly fine that Raimi didnt want to be disrespecful to the souc material and created a new character
You are really nitpicking on nothing here,the Jameson scenes were really well done,most will agree

Bruce's way into Gotham, sure, most people could consider that as a plot hole while some don't, but Blake knowing Batman's identity...I have never heard one person besides you say it's a plot hole. That doesn't even make sense for it to be a plot hole.
I have seen many people say that,How can that not be a plot hole? How did he come to know of his identity so easily?
And you arent getting my point,many things were unexplained,and no matter how you try to justify it,doesnt change the fact that they are flaws/plotholes,removing one or two minor characters and rectifying them as well as developing the villian better would have done a whole lot of good
TDK didnt have as many characters which is why the movie was great

You mean, you mean...the same guys that were using GUNS too?
Think about that for a second and then come back to me.
You mean Blake never used a gun in his time in the police force? And What guarantees he wont use one when he becomes Batman? And what if he does use one? You are not making any sense
Bruce Wayne not using a gun was a personal thing and imo very stupidly done,so he doesnt uses guns but he can have them on his Batmobile and the Tumbler?

The main point is,Bruce Wayne implies in TDK that he doesnt want to influence people in that way and doesnt want the ordinary man to play vigilante,it is clearly implied in TDK that Batman wants someone with a face,a White Knight to carry on the job in a legal way,he does the entirely opposite thing in TDKR when he hands over his entire legacy to a rookie policeman
 
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If you're going to bring up moments that you don't understand, acknowledge that this isn't the first time logic is thrown out the window for the film's sake.

I was putting up the same point when we were discussing the Sandman locket thingy in the other thread and yet you werent getting the point

Unlike Sandman's powers,Healing and all can be explained in a proper way which imo Nolan didnt do
 
just saw Batman (1989) , forgot how much i love it! and btw Batman invented duckface, should be called batface :hehe:
 
just saw Batman (1989) , forgot how much i love it! and btw Batman invented duckface, should be called batface :hehe:

Classic, that and Returns are definitely my favorite Batman films...well probably my favorite DC films overall.
 
Classic, that and Returns are definitely my favorite Batman films...well probably my favorite DC films overall.

totally but Batman is my personal favorite :) , actually how ASM ends remined me of how Batman ended even how the music built up , i love the batwing in front of the moon, i want my new avvy to be that ,Please if someone can make me that , it would be awesome and i would love that person forever
 
Not exactly comedy relief but Jameson is that kind of guy in the comics aswell
It was perfectly fine that Raimi didnt want to be disrespecful to the souc material and created a new character
You are really nitpicking on nothing here,the Jameson scenes were really well done,most will agree

Lol, what I say about Jameson isn't nitpicking, but I'm not shocked that you think it. Only bringing up Jameson was obviously used in a somewhat different way for Raimi's trilogy, so it's silly to say Betty Brant is only supposed to stay outside of the office and yet Raimi's Jameson can easily be comedic relief. Brant can very well make herself known inside Jameson's office and she did plenty, and when she didn't, her dialogue with Jameson was way more funny than Hoffman's so-called "comedy relief".

I have seen many people say that,How can that not be a plot hole? How did he come to know of his identity so easily?

Blake knowing Bruce's secret so easily goes back to Tim Drake in the comics, but if you want a better answer than that, then allow me to mention this: if you don't like it, then it's more of bad writing in your opinion and NOTHING of a plot hole or even close to that.

And you arent getting my point,many things were unexplained,and no matter how you try to justify it,doesnt change the fact that they are flaws/plotholes,removing one or two minor characters and rectifying them as well as developing the villian better would have done a whole lot of good

See, that's where you're wrong. When you can justify it, that means certain things aren't plot holes or that certain things didn't really have to be explained at all.

TDK didnt have as many characters which is why the movie was great

TDK TDKR
Bruce Bruce
Alfred Alfred
Gordon Gordon
Fox Fox
Joker Bane
Harvey Selina
Rachel Talia
the Mayor Blake
Maroni Foley
Loeb Daggett
Lau Stryver
Gambol Jen
the Chechen the Mayor
Coleman Reese Dr. Pavel
Det. Stephens the prisoner that helped Bruce
Det. Wuertz
Det. Ramirez
Mike Engel

You mean Blake never used a gun in his time in the police force? And What guarantees he wont use one when he becomes Batman? And what if he does use one? You are not making any sense

Blake obviously used a gun while a cop, but did you not notice that disgusted look on his face when he ended up shooting that construction worker? He found out, in his own way, that guns do not solve anything as Bruce learned that in his own way. And while Blake did take a shotgun with him to save Gordon, he still didn't fire it.

Bruce Wayne not using a gun was a personal thing and imo very stupidly done,so he doesnt uses guns but he can have them on his Batmobile and the Tumbler?

He has a Batmobile AND a Tumbler? :cwink:

No, but seriously, he didn't use those weapons to kill anyone, now did he? Unless you think it's a bad thing that he had to ruin property.

The main point is,Bruce Wayne implies in TDK that he doesnt want to influence people in that way and doesnt want the ordinary man to play vigilante,it is clearly implied in TDK that Batman wants someone with a face,a White Knight to carry on the job in a legal way,he does the entirely opposite thing in TDKR when he hands over his entire legacy to a rookie policeman

What he implies is that he doesn't want people using guns. If that was never the issue, Batman wouldn't have taken the guns out of the issue first during that scene in the parking lot. He is trying to show that anyone can be a hero throughout the entire trilogy and keep that symbol of Batman in Gotham to give the people hope.

I was putting up the same point when we were discussing the Sandman locket thingy in the other thread and yet you werent getting the point

That point doesn't even make sense when one thing turned into sand, i.e., his clothes, and the locket doesn't. You can't bring up a point of "logic being thrown out" where there's zero consistency on what and what doesn't turn to sand with Marko.

Unlike Sandman's powers,Healing and all can be explained in a proper way which imo Nolan didnt do

So the clothes turning into sand and the locket not can be explained? Oh really...then do explain.

just saw Batman (1989) , forgot how much i love it! and btw Batman invented duckface, should be called batface :hehe:

Batman '89 is definitely a GREAT film. In my top five of Batman films.
 
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talking of Batman using guns, in 89 he did kill a lot of people , when the batmovil was in axis chemicals it has a bomb and killed a lot of goons , i think i want to do a bodycount :hehe: , that what Nolan got right Batman doesn`t KILL
 
Batman killed more people than the Joker.

idk, did the people of the parade survive? but still it seems that batman killed more than joker, i love the freaking Batwing! but i noticed that has terrible aim and has a volume panel ... Batwing> The Bat( in design)
 
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well ,me neither..... back to Spidey! there a lot of comotion about the "New suit" sculpture when is obviously a design of ASM, but well i like it when colored
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I never really understood the dislike the new suit got (and still gets, I think.). It was an interesting redesign.
 
is not the sequel suit, just everyone thought it was, is from the first one look :fiona`s tale
 
talking of Batman using guns, in 89 he did kill a lot of people , when the batmovil was in axis chemicals it has a bomb and killed a lot of goons , i think i want to do a bodycount :hehe: , that what Nolan got right Batman doesn`t KILL

Yah, Burton's Batman just killed whenever he felt like it it seemed. While you can obviously see some fatalities when it came to Nolan's Batman, those came down to what was truly necessary such as the monastery in Batman Begins where Bruce wasn't responsible for every single ninja or when someone got in the way and died by shards, such as the man who was driving with Talia during the final chase in TDKR.
 
does anyone have a link to that spidey song that practically covered a lot of his life? I think it was something a fan on youtube made for the 50th anniversary. Not sure.

chorus goes along something like 'He's a webslinger, hope (or light) bringer' or something like that.
 
just saw Batman (1989) , forgot how much i love it! and btw Batman invented duckface, should be called batface :hehe:
Still my favorite movie
And I don't hate Batman killing thugs there
 
Lol, what I say about Jameson isn't nitpicking, but I'm not shocked that you think it. Only bringing up Jameson was obviously used in a somewhat different way for Raimi's trilogy, so it's silly to say Betty Brant is only supposed to stay outside of the office and yet Raimi's Jameson can easily be comedic relief. Brant can very well make herself known inside Jameson's office and she did plenty, and when she didn't, her dialogue with Jameson was way more funny than Hoffman's so-called "comedy relief".
All your opinion
Most of us think that the Hoffman moments were pretty funny,myself included
So Raimi managed to fulfill the needs of majority of the audience in that department

Blake knowing Bruce's secret so easily goes back to Tim Drake in the comics, but if you want a better answer than that, then allow me to mention this: if you don't like it, then it's more of bad writing in your opinion and NOTHING of a plot hole or even close to that.
Whatever you want to call,
My point is,had Nolan removed another character,say Foley,he could have gotten time to explain Blake's knowledge through flashbacks or something and that would have made it better

See, that's where you're wrong. When you can justify it, that means certain things aren't plot holes or that certain things didn't really have to be explained at all.
A dozen things needed explanations,you are kidding yourself if you think they didnt

TDK TDKR
Bruce Bruce
Alfred Alfred
Gordon Gordon
Fox Fox
Joker Bane
Harvey Selina
Rachel Talia
the Mayor Blake
Maroni Foley
Loeb Daggett
Lau Stryver
Gambol Jen
the Chechen the Mayor
Coleman Reese Dr. Pavel
Det. Stephens the prisoner that helped Bruce
Det. Wuertz
Det. Ramirez
Mike Engel
The appearance time between them differs greatly
Let me rephrase myself,TDK didnt have as many useless/un-needed characters and that was why it was so much better

Blake obviously used a gun while a cop, but did you not notice that disgusted look on his face when he ended up shooting that construction worker? He found out, in his own way, that guns do not solve anything as Bruce learned that in his own way. And while Blake did take a shotgun with him to save Gordon, he still didn't fire it.
And Bruce came to know all that through telepathy?
And did the hockey pad guys fire the gun? I dont remember them to
The fact remains that Batman contradicts himself when he stops people from playing vigilante in TDK and does the entire opposite in TDKR,and guns was never the reason

No, but seriously, he didn't use those weapons to kill anyone, now did he? Unless you think it's a bad thing that he had to ruin property.
Fair enough
But his logic still never made sense to me

What he implies is that he doesn't want people using guns. If that was never the issue, Batman wouldn't have taken the guns out of the issue first during that scene in the parking lot. He is trying to show that anyone can be a hero throughout the entire trilogy and keep that symbol of Batman in Gotham to give the people hope.
LOL How did you get to that conclusion?
He clearly meant that he doesnt want people to ape him and become vigilantes
And if he really meant that then it is an even bigger oxymoron,Blake must have surely used guns a lot of times in the police force,probably a lot more than Hockey pad guys

That point doesn't even make sense when one thing turned into sand, i.e., his clothes, and the locket doesn't. You can't bring up a point of "logic being thrown out" where there's zero consistency on what and what doesn't turn to sand with Marko.
As you yourself said,you need to throw out some amount of Logic when trying to enjoy a superhero movie

So the clothes turning into sand and the locket not can be explained? Oh really...then do explain.
They CANT be explained,which is what I said,one can never explain the basis of Sandman's powers and the flaw with his clothes and all
While one can easily explain the healing process and all,and despite that Nolan couldnt do it
 
All your opinion
Most of us think that the Hoffman moments were pretty funny,myself included
So Raimi managed to fulfill the needs of majority of the audience in that department

And so it is the opinion of yours that Brant is best suited outside of Jameson's office as well then, yes? Or are you saying what I say is opinion and what you say is fact? :whatever:

Whatever you want to call,
My point is,had Nolan removed another character,say Foley,he could have gotten time to explain Blake's knowledge through flashbacks or something and that would have made it better

Blake's explanation doesn't need flashbacks. To only ask for flashbacks is saying you didn't seem to understand his explanation for some apparent reason because it was explained enough, and as I mentioned, I have rarely heard this nitpick. Only from a couple, but those were mostly the same nitpickers that would agree with the entire Honest Trailer stuff.

A dozen things needed explanations,you are kidding yourself if you think they didnt

A dozen? No, not at all. Perhaps a couple and as many things TDK needed explanations with, and you are kidding yourself when you think it's so many. If anything, you're overlooking subtle things or moments that was meant to be a more philosophical meaning than just supposed logic such as a young Talia climbing the Pit.

The appearance time between them differs greatly
Let me rephrase myself,TDK didnt have as many useless/un-needed characters and that was why it was so much better

When you actually rephrase that, then yes, I can agree with you, BUT...only with Jen, the only character I found to be unnecessary. Everything else was fine; TDKR just needed to be longer but it couldn't.

And Bruce came to know all that through telepathy?

:facepalm:

He knew the kind of person Blake was, he knew that when he was around Blake, the guy wasn't using any weapons. He knew that the anger Bruce had, Blake has but he's also trying to control the anger and not let the anger control him.

And did the hockey pad guys fire the gun? I dont remember them to

Watch the scene again then.

And an important part in that scene is when one of the guys does start to shoot at Chechen's men and Crane's men, Crane says "That's not him".

The fact remains that Batman contradicts himself when he stops people from playing vigilante in TDK and does the entire opposite in TDKR,and guns was never the reason

Stopping people from playing vigilante that are using hockey pads, not trained and using guns is not contradicting himself. It's amusing that you think so, though.

And don't bring up "Well Blake hasn't trained". We only see Blake finding the cave, so it's only speculation to even say he'll don the Batsuit without taking time to train.

Fair enough
But his logic still never made sense to me

What logic?

LOL How did you get to that conclusion?
He clearly meant that he doesnt want people to ape him and become vigilantes
And if he really meant that then it is an even bigger oxymoron,Blake must have surely used guns a lot of times in the police force,probably a lot more than Hockey pad guys

What got me to that conclusion? When he wants to pass the mantle of the Batman down, but he doesn't want someone having to resort to guns in doing so. Any of those "Sons of Batman" guys could have very well taken up the mantle if Bruce saw any one of those being as brave and as daring as Blake was in TDKR.

And once again with Blake using guns as an officer...no **** he did, but he stopped.

As you yourself said,you need to throw out some amount of Logic when trying to enjoy a superhero movie

So while Nolan's trilogy actually has some consistency with its logic...you want to throw out consistency as well along with logic for Sandman? Interesting.

They CANT be explained,which is what I said,one can never explain the basis of Sandman's powers and the flaw with his clothes and all
While one can easily explain the healing process and all,and despite that Nolan couldnt do it

And yet he did explain it. It was faster than normal, but it was explained of how Bruce's back was healed.
 

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