Wolverine #55, will Sabertooth really die for good?

[runawayboulder]

I was thinking about buying Wolverine: Origins (recent mini) paperback. Does anyone suggest I avoid it, or is it worth the read?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Agreed.

Accept this time Wolverine has an anti-healing factor sword, and Sabertooth just killed "a kid" supporting cast type, if this were a movie that'd mean a dead Sabertooth. Lately some Marvel comics have been written in a movie style (mainly because their bringing in Hollywood writers), so I wouldn't put it past them to go thru with an obvious set up like this.

I still doubt it'd happen without him getting the sword injury, too.

I was thinking about buying Wolverine: Origins (recent mini) paperback. Does anyone suggest I avoid it, or is it worth the read?

Never. Pretend it has ebola.

 

[freemadison]

What's important here is that Feral (aka the poor man's Wolfsbane) is finally dead.

Finally, someone who's reading this correctly. t: Good job.

 

[cookiva]

F) That one sword is stupid.

Im surprised it took that long for someone to say it....its ridiculous....

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

What is this about a sword?

It nullifies a healing factor?

 

[Fading]

What is this about a sword?

It nullifies a healing factor?

Easiest way to explain it was to copy and paste from the Marvel database heh -

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Muramasa

The first time it's existence was mentioned was in Wolverine # 1. It's location has been revealed to Wolverine by Silver Samurai (Wolverine volume 3 #37). The sword has been initially made for Logan by a madman, believed to be an immortal demon, Muramasa, thus the name of the sword. On their first meeting in Japan, Wolverine came to Muramasa after his wife Itzu had been murdered, so he could help him to "kill 'em all". Muramasa accepted, and promised to forge him a "mighty blade -...- against which all... even one as great as you... will fall" out of Logan's thirst for revenge. When Logan came to claim the weapon (Wolverine vol.3 #41), Muramasa gladly gave it to him, telling him to "wield it like an angry god".
Wolverine used it against a S.H.I.V.A robot, cutting it in half with a single blow. Later research of the remains of the robot have shown, that it was not cut, but rather "sliced, on the molecular level". The scientist who was doing the research theorized, that the instrument could have been some sort of plasmic form. In a subsequent fight with Captain America (Wolverine Origins #5), the sword was used against Wolverine, leaving a scar on his chest, which oddly didn't heal as usual.
In Wolverine Origins #5 after the fight was over, Wolverine gave the sword to Cyclops, explaining it by saying: "This is the only thing in the world that can put me down for good."

More or less a sword that cuts on a molecular level, it negates the healing factor of anyone, I assume because it severs the bonds inbetween molecules, and destroys whats there so completely....honestly I have no clue on this one. Just know that it cuts on a molecular level, and negates healing factors, atleast for a decent amount of time.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'd heard of it. I thought this was some new sword.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i say kill him...

hes boring these days, and the feud rarely is shown anymore...

hes an x-man now

and the feud is beyond old... and most the time wolvie seems just annoyed by him

 

[DoomJester]

I wouldn't like to see Sabertooth die in this way just because it would take a character that has been off and on a kinda complex villain and relegate him to a one note crazy monster. I was no big fan of Mike Carey's Xmen but I think Sabertooth, even if he will stay a villain was much more interesting than he is in this Wolverine arc, especially if he dies. Actually, I think my big problem was that I really wanted Sabertooth on Xmen, that was actually why I purchased the books!

 

[ssj wolverine]

Question. Could Wolverine have used the sword on Hulk?

 

[Kitsune]

Muramasa is a famouse sword maker from the 1500s in Japan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muramasa

 

[Fading]

Question. Could Wolverine have used the sword on Hulk?

I'm more than sure it could, but most likely it'll never be mentioned outside of a Wolverine or X-book. Cap used it and scarred Wolverine (then Wolverine went off on him), and it'll probably be used on Sabertooth, and then fade away and not be mentioned against lol.

If it negates Wolverine's healing factor with some of the recent feats Marvel has had him do healing wise, it can most likely negate Hulks as well. Just like I said tho, it most likely won't be used in WWH.

 

[Horhey]

Easiest way to explain it was to copy and paste from the Marvel database heh -

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Muramasa


More or less a sword that cuts on a molecular level, it negates the healing factor of anyone, I assume because it severs the bonds inbetween molecules, and destroys whats there so completely....honestly I have no clue on this one. Just know that it cuts on a molecular level, and negates healing factors, atleast for a decent amount of time.

The only real difference between the sword and Logan's claws is that it's magical and it cancels out healing factors. I never cared for it becouse I dont really see a need for it. Logan doesnt need it to kill Sabretooth cause all he has to do is cut off his head since Creed doesnt have an adamantium skeleton.

Anyways, I kind of like the idea of killing off Sabretooth as long as Daken isnt his replacement which I doubt becouse Romulas seems to be that guy. Im looking forward to finding out what Romulas' motives are for starting the Weapon X program becouse his existance sort of turns the previous narrative on it's head.

 

[PhotoJones]

The only real difference between the sword and Logan's claws is that it's magical and it cancels out healing factors. I never cared for it becouse I dont really see a need for it. Logan doesnt need it to kill Sabretooth cause all he has to do is cut off his head since Creed doesnt have an adamantium skeleton.

Anyways, I kind of like the idea of killing off Sabretooth as long as Daken isnt his replacement which I doubt becouse Romulas seems to be that guy. Im looking forward to finding out what Romulas' motives are for starting the Weapon X program becouse his existance sort of turns the previous narrative on it's head.

Yes, he does.

 

[Horhey]

Yes, he does.

No, he doesnt. Loeb somehow didnt know, or chose to ignore the fact that hes supposed to have it.

 

[PhotoJones]

No, he doesnt. Loeb somehow didnt know, or chose to ignore the fact that hes supposed to have it.

Yes, he does. The reason Logan is able to slice through it, is because Creed's adamantium is of a lesser quality than Logan's. It's called "secondary adamantium".

 

[Horhey]

Yes, he does. The reason Logan is able to slice through it, is because Creed's adamantium is of a lesser quality than Logan's. It's called "secondary adamantium".

Nah, man. Wolverine cant cut secondary adamantium. He cant even cut Hulk's arm off with one slash. Maybe if he Spider Man's strength he could.

 

[Darthphere]

Wow, Wolverine's power levels are lame.

 

[PhotoJones]

Nah, man. Wolverine cant cut secondary adamantium. He cant even cut Hulk's arm off with one slash. Maybe if he Spider Man's strength he could.

Um...Yes he can. You just saw it.

 

[Horhey]

I was thinking about buying Wolverine: Origins (recent mini) paperback. Does anyone suggest I avoid it, or is it worth the read?

You might want to save your money and check it out at the library. Or if you have 5 minutes to spare, just read it at the library.

 

[Spade]

Wow, Wolverine's power levels are lame.

I don't think Logan's powers are lame, just that the application of them is nil to nothing in terms of logic. Logan shouldn't find himself in the situation where he's growing back from a cell or regenerating from a lifeless skeleton. Nor should he really find himself overpowering people way out of his league. The fact that his first appearance is against the Hulk makes some Wolvie fans a bit too excited in the pants. Plus, it doesn't help that they've been pairing him up with villains since Origins that are the Marvel equivalent of a Mortal Kombat palette swap...

 

[Horhey]

As expected, this thread is slowly turning into the usual 'Wolverine shouldnt be able to do that' debate.

 

[Manic]

As expected, this thread is slowly turning into the usual 'Wolverine shouldnt be able to do that' debate.

In Wolverine's case, the horse has a habit of coming back to life, even from situations that would've definitely killed it 20 years ago.

That metaphor kinda got away from me...

 

[Darthphere]

As expected, this thread is slowly turning into the usual 'Wolverine shouldnt be able to do that' debate.

Awww, Jorge got his feelings hurt.

 

[Horhey]

Personally I like the arc. I mean I hate the overall premise that Wolverine, Feral, and Sasquatch (who's not even a mutant) are all somehow an offshoot of humanity. I do however like the introduction of a new villain who has ties to Wolverine somehow dating way, way back, and that this guy has been pulling Wolverine's strings for years. I also like how it's adding more depth to the Wolverine vs. Sabertooth fued, other than "they've always hated eachother, and might be related but who knows?" deal that's been going on for a long time. Plus it's had good fight scenes, and went from the X-mansion, to wakanda, to canada in the process.

At first I was a little disapointed with the pacing but overall its decent. It does make sense for the feral mutants to be connected in some way, and even if alot of people dont like the narrative I dont think it did any significant damage to the mythology. Could have been worse. Sasquach isnt connected with the feral mutants btw. Unless I missed it, I dont think its been explained exactly why Creed and Logan hate eachother yet.