Worst Cases of Miscasting

[baerrtt]

We have an opposite point of view on this matter, for me, the best actor in the world can't save a bad script, he can help but not save it.

True for example DeNiro in any bad film he's ever done.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Which gets back to my original point, that Hollywood starlets intentionally pick these "edgy" roles expecting to prove their versatility, yet they can´t forget about themselves and get immersed in whatever the role demands, which is one of the symptons of their general lack of acting ability, which is why Alba is no longer the "it" girl and is currently a B-list actress in her way to the C-list.

Goldie, the chick who sleeps with sleeps with Marv, bares it too, I think there´s more but the movie isn´t quite fresh in my memory.

But getting her wabs out does not make the role edgy or anything of the sort, the role is far more layered than a set of ****, she doesn't need to do something she may find degrading when the role has far more important layers to it than her knockers.

 

[ultimatefan]

But getting her wabs out does not make the role edgy or anything of the sort, the role is far more layered than a set of ****, she doesn't need to do something she may find degrading when the role has far more important layers to it than her knockers.

As played by Alba, the role wasn´t anywhere near as layered as it needed to be, not baring is just the most visible sympton. That´s what I´m saying, these actresses look superficially at those roles as being "edgy" and giving them some street cred buzz exactly cuz of their lurid nature, they don´t get the layers or even make good use of whatever exploitative value the role has, and SC in particular, is good stuff, but it´s also shamelessly exploitative of sex and violence, and unapologetic of it, and that´s part of the charm of the movie. Showing her boobs would at least make her subpar performance slightly more entertaining, not to mention more accurate to the comics and to the profession she set herself to portray.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I see what your saying but most of the time a really talented actor or actress can rise above the crappy scripts and direction to give solid performances. unless your ewan mcgregor in star wars.

Mcgregor was easily the best part of the pre-trilogy.

But I disagree. A good actor can help a bad script, but when a script is bad, there's not a whole lot you can do.

 

[marvelman2006]

We have an opposite point of view on this matter, for me, the best actor in the world can't save a bad script, he can help but not save it.

yeah thats true, that leads me to another question. how do these really good actors or actresses not read these bad scripts and go "oh my god, not in a million years" and pass? I know most of the time its a big payday but there are other times like take the bounty hunter for example, I thought that script sucked and so did the movie, so what did gerard butler think when he signed on?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Natasha Kinski and Jodie Foster in Hotel New Hampshire: at least, their roles should have been reversed.

 

[marvelman2006]

Mcgregor was easily the best part of the pre-trilogy.

But I disagree. A good actor can help a bad script, but when a script is bad, there's not a whole lot you can do.

oh I agree whole heartedly he was the best thing in 1-3 but I still wish george would of brought somebody in to punch up the screenplay a bit more. Ewan is a fine actor but most of his dialogue like everyone else was so wooden and clunky. I really think if a screen writer who knew how to write a coherent story was brought in after casting was complete and knew how to play to the actors strength then we might be talking about a completley different prequel trilogy.

 

[Infinity9999x]

yeah thats true, that leads me to another question. how do these really good actors or actresses not read these bad scripts and go "oh my god, not in a million years" and pass? I know most of the time its a big payday but there are other times like take the bounty hunter for example, I thought that script sucked and so did the movie, so what did gerard butler think when he signed on?

I wonder how often they read the scripts sometimes. I know it's been said in interviews and such that Val Kilmer just signed on to Batman Forever pretty much the instant he was contacted about it, because he thought it was still going to be dark like the previous entries. (Though in his defense, it's easy to think why he would think that, since I'm sure he didn't know about what the studio wanted to do. And if you read the opening of Batman Forever, it didn't seem too different).

But at other times I think the stars were just offered lots and lots of money.

 

[Hunter Rider]

As played by Alba, the role wasn´t anywhere near as layered as it needed to be, not baring is just the most visible sympton. That´s what I´m saying, these actresses look superficially at those roles as being "edgy" and giving them some street cred buzz exactly cuz of their lurid nature, they don´t get the layers or even make good use of whatever exploitative value the role has, and SC in particular, is good stuff, but it´s also shamelessly exploitative of sex and violence, and unapologetic of it, and that´s part of the charm of the movie. Showing her boobs would at least make her subpar performance slightly more entertaining, not to mention more accurate to the comics and to the profession she set herself to portray.

Then is Jodie Fosters performance as a hooker in Taxi Driver sub standard because she didn't do anything to portray the actual profession? You don't feel Alba played the role well? that is fine, I disagree but I respect your view, however her not getting her **** out for a cheap perv moment was not an issue, that scene got the sleaze over fine, the **** wouldn't have enhanced it.

 

[baerrtt]

Then is Jodie Fosters performance as a hooker in Taxi Driver sub standard because she didn't do anything to portray the actual profession? You don't feel Alba played the role well? that is fine, I disagree but I respect your view, however her not getting her **** out for a cheap perv moment was not an issue, that scene got the sleaze over fine, the **** wouldn't have enhanced it.

Foster being 14 at the time may have had something to do with her not going nude on cinemagoers in '76.

I remember the 'complaints' about Alba not going nude on the net when SIN CITY came out 5 years ago and the common argument people threw was that Alba, in general, wasn't a good or charismatic enough actress to get away with 'covering herself up' for roles that require skin. Sad but interestingly true.

Since the 70s as a cinemagoing culture were used to seeing women nude onscreen and, thanks to Hollywood, it's been used as an exploitative tool everytime even when it does make sense with the story being told. Basically when an attractive female performer signs a no nudity clause it seems that they better be uniquely talented or charismatic enough to convince pervs that they're appeal isn't solely down to pleasing them.

 

[ultimatefan]

Then is Jodie Fosters performance as a hooker in Taxi Driver sub standard because she didn't do anything to portray the actual profession? You don't feel Alba played the role well? that is fine, I disagree but I respect your view, however her not getting her **** out for a cheap perv moment was not an issue, that scene got the sleaze over fine, the **** wouldn't have enhanced it.

Of course an actress can play a hooker without doing a sex scene or a stripper without showing her boobs, but if you´re a stripper and you´re showed performing on stage, it´s like showing someone portraying a porn star during the shooting of a sex scene. it´s exploitative, yes, but it´s still integral part of the role. When you cover it up, it´s like screaming to the audience "squeamish Hollywood chick wanted to play a stripper, but was too embarrassed to go nude". There are even camera tricks that allow the actress to do the nude scene without showing her boobs to the audience,, I think Natalie Portman did that when she played a stripper in Closer, Alba has done "naked back, side boob" scenes, I think there´s one in The Sleeping Dictionary - which has a boob shot, but it´s a double, another resource for the non-baring actress.

And I think it´d have helped the sleaze factor. And Alba needs it, she has little more than that going for her.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Since the 70s as a cinemagoing culture were used to seeing women nude onscreen and, thanks to Hollywood, it's been used as an exploitative tool everytime even when it does make sense with the story being told. Basically when an attractive female performer signs a no nudity clause it seems that they better be uniquely talented or charismatic enough to convince pervs that they're appeal isn't solely down to pleasing them.

Hollywood and America in general are pretty conservative when it comes to nudity in cinema. Have you seen European films?

 

[ultimatefan]

Hollywood and America in general are pretty conservative when it comes to nudity in cinema. Have you seen European films?

Yeah, European non-porn movies often show explicit sex. American cinema is awfully prude. The censorship doesn´t help it, the MPAA will allow you to show the movie´s hero chopping arms and heads off, but if you go a little further with the sex, you get an NC-17, which is a box office killer.

 

[baerrtt]

Hollywood and America in general are pretty conservative when it comes to nudity in cinema. Have you seen European films?

I live in Europe (Britain to be precise) so am used to nudity even on television channels that you can access freely (not cable/satellite).

 

[ultimatefan]

edit double

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I live in Europe (Britain to be precise) so am used to nudity even on television channels that you can access freely (not cable/satellite).

Then your Hollywood comment makes no sense.

 

[baerrtt]

Then your Hollywood comment makes no sense.

Er..what? The first time I saw nudity onscreen was in a Hollywood movie as was the case for many people of a certain age here in the UK. The MPAA if anything has never had an issue with female nudity but full frontal male.

 

[ultimatefan]

Er..what? There are tons of films since the 70s made by studios that feature female nudity.

Hollywood has been okay with nudity for a while, but the sex still has some taboos. The MPAA will allow any level of violence to get an R-rating, but depending on the intensity and explicitness of the sex you can get an NC-17, which will get the movie banished from certain movie theaters. Plus, for commercial reasons, Hollywood in later years has mostly *****fied itself to PG and PG-13 movies, which don´t allow nudity, even though PG-13 accepts some pretty intense violence, cuz they want the family audiences. It was in recent years that R-rated movies started getting some love back, and even so it´s mostly for violence. The MPAA is sick, and there´s even a documentary saying that (This Movie is Not Yet Rated).

 

[El Payaso]

Then is Jodie Fosters performance as a hooker in Taxi Driver sub standard because she didn't do anything to portray the actual profession? You don't feel Alba played the role well? that is fine, I disagree but I respect your view, however her not getting her **** out for a cheap perv moment was not an issue, that scene got the sleaze over fine, the **** wouldn't have enhanced it.

Not saying that it wasn't that kind of moment, but Sin City was a movie that took special care in carbon-copy the comics frame by frame. It was a cheap perv moment in comic to start wioth, and not cheaper than many of the bloodthirsty killing scenes that were put on the movie.

 

[GhostPoet]

whoa whoa whoa...there's nothing cheap about violent sequences.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

yeah thats true, that leads me to another question. how do these really good actors or actresses not read these bad scripts and go "oh my god, not in a million years" and pass? I know most of the time its a big payday but there are other times like take the bounty hunter for example, I thought that script sucked and so did the movie, so what did gerard butler think when he signed on?

Actors/Actress must work like everyone else, sometimes the job is good, sometimes not.
I think Michael Caine said that he made some movies just because they were filmed in remote locations.
Butler is no Johnny Depp nor Leonardo DiCaprio who are offered good role by great directors.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Julian Monahan as Doctor Doom. Jesus, THIS is one of Marvel's grestest villains? Didn't buy him for a second.

 

[Octoberist]

I didn't like his 'dyed', neatly plucked eye-brows

 

[Schlosser85]

Elijah Wood seems lost any time he tries to be "edgy" (Ash Wednesday, Green Street Hooligans). Dominic Monaghan has more range, IMO, even if Wood's been around a lot longer and is better-known.

 

[Metallo]

Channing Tatum as Duke in GI Joe.

I was prepared for changes but this guy can't act and I didn't buy him at all as the future field commander of the Joes. He talked like he was trying to do his best Marshal Mathers imitation.