Days of Future Past Worst moments in 'X-men: First Class'

[X-Maniac]

- Although it's entirely up in the air, Shawneto's helmet was clearly "metal" right? If so why couldn't Magneto move it. I wish they had indicated what it was made out of earlier.

I saw it more that Erik wanted to take him by surprise and remove the helmet by stealth, before Shaw could do anything about it, while his attention was focused in front of him. It was a "sneak" move. The material the helmet was made from is never discussed.

- When Emma Frost "breaks" out of the prison, she's clearly not wearing a power inhibitor since she idly breaks the glass in her diamond form. So why does she not simply use her telepathy to control her captures and free herself?

I took it she was biding her time for Shaw to come and get her once his plan had happened. The dialogue indicates she believes Shaw will succeed. But this is a good question. Also, she wasn't as powerful as Xavier - we didn't see her doing the things he did with his mind.

- Storm and Cyclops are clearly seen in the cerebro scene which would make them far older than the first movie allows.

My own thoughts are leaning towards X1 taking place in the 90s, so there would be 30-odd years before First Class and that film, regardless of 'not to distant future'. Danoyse mentioned the Twin Towers can be seen in X1, which would make it prior to 2001 and thus it could be in the 90s if we ignore the 'not too distant future.'

- I'm still a little fishy as to how Shaw could absorb a bullet but not a coin. This did seem to be a more overpowered version of Shaw and Bishop's powers, but I couldn't make complete sense of them.

I saw it that a slow moving coin did not have enough kinetic energy or 'force' in it. The more important thing here is the thematic callback to the bullet scene at the start of the film.

Xavier didn't have to freeze Shaw indefinitely in one position, he could've taken over his body and made him move (although my rational for this is Xavier wanted him dead but wouldn't admit it).

Xavier hasn't yet 'animated' people, he has just frozen their mind and motor functions.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Xavier hasn't yet 'animated' people, he has just frozen their mind and motor functions.

In the first movie he did it to Sabertooth and Toad simultaneously.

 

[craigdbfan]

Tell us how you really feel

Why would you even respond with a comment like that?

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie through and through. The worst moment for me (meaning not you or anyone else) was when the credits started to roll.

 

[X-Maniac]

In the first movie he did it to Sabertooth and Toad simultaneously.

To no great extent, though. And after three or four decades of honing his power.

Logically, he should be able to control them and make them move and do things. But we haven't seen that really. It's been more about mental paralysis.

 

[BestGirl]

Xavier hasn't yet 'animated' people, he has just frozen their mind and motor functions.

He made the Man in Black say what he wanted him to say. I think Charles didn't control Shaw because he wasn't powerful enough. IIRC, in the plane he even yells at some one (Moira?) that he shouldn't be distracted because he was having a hard time holding onto someone as strong as Shaw.

 

[Midnight Black]

Why would you even respond with a comment like that?

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie through and through. The worst moment for me (meaning not you or anyone else) was when the credits started to roll.

Oh see what I thought you were saying was that the worst moment for you is when the beginning credits started and from there on. Meaning you hated the whole movie as soon as it began. I misunderstood...my bad.

As far as X animating people. He animated the solider when Emma arrived at the Russian general's hq. If you notice the soldier turned his head to hear what she was saying.

However, Shaw was just really strong and it took all X had to keep him frozen. I'm guessing Shaw was not only physically strong, but also mentally after the power up. Plus, as some have mentioned he may have secretly wanted him killed or at least to see if Erik would take his revenge or not.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Yeah, it's pretty much implied that Shaw is just too powerful and was perhaps too far away for Xavier to use all of his mind tricks on...such as animating, putting to sleep, memory wiping...etc.

 

[Midnight Black]

Yeah, it's pretty much implied that Shaw is just too powerful and perhaps too far away for Xavier to use all of his mind tricks on...such as animating, putting to sleep, memory wiping...etc.

This.....or the writers/producers got tired in the last act and needed a way to end things. Because if you think of it he was pretty far away from the CIA agents when he froze them to talk to Moira. Not saying it was a plot whole, but it was the last act and I'm sure they just wanted to end things.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

This.....or the writers/producers got tired in the last act and needed a way to end things. Because if you think of it he was pretty far away from the CIA agents when he froze them to talk to Moira. Not saying it was a plot whole, but it was the last act and I'm sure they just wanted to end things.

Well, he was still only freezing them, which I guess is easier to do than the others..

 

[Midnight Black]

Well, he was still only freezing them, which I guess is easier to do than the others..

Keeping them frozen, conversing with Moira, and walking to the car. Yeah, I think they just got tired at the end.

 

[BestGirl]

This.....or the writers/producers got tired in the last act and needed a way to end things. Because if you think of it he was pretty far away from the CIA agents when he froze them to talk to Moira. Not saying it was a plot whole, but it was the last act and I'm sure they just wanted to end things.

Those agents weren't some mutant who had just made himself more powerful by absorbing plutonium.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I liked the movie but the more I think about it, the more I realize maybe it wasnt that great.

I hated how everything that had to do with comic book stuff was treated as a silly thing or a joke. I mean its a movie about comic book characters why mock it? The codename scene a clear example of that.

The young Magneto had a bad scene. Why did they make him yell for that long? As a matter of fact, sometimes I felt I was watching Valkyrie with its boring dialogue in the german and russian scenes.

The Mutant and proud lines...horrible. Couldnt have forced it any worse.

Id like maybe a different approach to X-men movies in the future.

 

[Midnight Black]

Those agents weren't some mutant who had just made himself more powerful by absorbing plutonium.

Yeah, I said that in a few posts back. I was just stating that in addition to him being super powered that the fact that it was the final act the writers probably didn't care as much.

I liked the movie but the more I think about it, the more I realize maybe it wasnt that great.

I hated how everything that had to do with comic book stuff was treated as a silly thing or a joke. I mean its a movie about comic book characters why mock it? The codename scene a clear example of that.

The young Magneto had a bad scene. Why did they make him yell for that long? As a matter of fact, sometimes I felt I was watching Valkyrie with its boring dialogue in the german and russian scenes.

The Mutant and proud lines...horrible. Couldnt have forced it any worse.

Id like maybe a different approach to X-men movies in the future.

Did you feel that Wolvie's cameo was too long? I sat there thinking that they could have cut it after he ordered another drink, but it just lingered there for a few more seconds as to make sure everyone realized it was really him.

 

[Jordacar]

It's hard to beat Darwin getting killed. Not even the mutant power to survive anything can save the black guy from getting offed first.

 

[Nokio]

Those agents weren't some mutant who had just made himself more powerful by absorbing plutonium.

Well that shouldn't have anything to do with his mind. A lot of mutants are powerful but how would physical power somehow make them harder to control mentally. Xavier has done this too many times in the comics where he stopped powerful mutants with ease. Hence the reason mags wears the helmut.

 

[Nokio]

To no great extent, though. And after three or four decades of honing his power.

Logically, he should be able to control them and make them move and do things. But we haven't seen that really. It's been more about mental paralysis.

Now wait a sec. Didn't he control the soldier to see what Frost was saying? What about the the Officer on board the Russian ship he made fire the missile to sink the boat??? It's not adding up.

 

[X-Maniac]

Now wait a sec. Didn't he control the soldier to see what Frost was saying? What about the the Officer on board the Russian ship he made fire the missile to sink the boat??? It's not adding up.

Yeah, maybe so. But Xavier clearly said he was struggling to control Shaw because Shaw was so powerful. Stop picking at those nits and just get to see the film again

 

[Nokio]

- Although it's entirely up in the air, Shawneto's helmet was clearly "metal" right? If so why couldn't Magneto move it. I wish they had indicated what it was made out of earlier.

- When Emma Frost "breaks" out of the prison, she's clearly not wearing a power inhibitor since she idly breaks the glass in her diamond form. So why does she not simply use her telepathy to control her captures and free herself?

- PG-13 strip clubs simply don't work.

- Storm and Cyclops are clearly seen in the cerebro scene which would make them far older than the first movie allows.

- How come Beast had a costume that fit his transformed form? Wouldn't he have made those before his metamorphasis?

- When the Hellfire Club squared off against the "X-Men" why didn't Banshee just rupture all their eardrums?

- I'm still a little fishy as to how Shaw could absorb a bullet but not a coin. This did seem to be a more overpowered version of Shaw and Bishop's powers, but I couldn't make complete sense of them.

- Xavier didn't have to freeze Shaw indefinitely in one position, he could've taken over his body and made him move (although my rational for this is Xavier wanted him dead but wouldn't admit it).

Lazy writing and a rushed production

I'm gonna assume this Emma can't control people like Prof X, She's not as powerful as he. Maybe she can control people but a base of CIA agents? It's just to many for her to handle.

No they do not but the flick was PG-13

Poor writing but the timeline looks to be going out the window.

They were elastic type material of course.

He can't do that yet or probably didn't want to rupture the Xmen. He was near them by the way. One could ask how Angel withstood his sonic scream when he came out of the water. She shook it off far to easily.

Shaw wasn't absorbing the bullets he was absorbing the kinetic energy of their momentum and impact. They just fell away. He was powered up enough where they didn't penetrate. i know in the comics he can absorb the energy of the slashing force of a blade but his body can still be injured if he's not powered up enough. That's why Wolverine is a problem for him. The coin had little kinetic energy for him to absorb. Also it's Magneto. The man can force metal through a person's pores.

Lazy writing again.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't think the helmet thing is lazy writing at all. I just saw the movie again last night, and the helmet didn't look obviously metal.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Heh, I noticed this the second time.

And I agree with you on the bald lines, the first one was kind of playful and funny while being somewhat sublte. The second one was groan inducing, that whole conversation at the end was.

I actually didn't get what he was saying with the second line "Next thing you know I'll go bald." it's McCy's accent.

 

[El Payaso]

I liked the movie but the more I think about it, the more I realize maybe it wasnt that great.

I hated how everything that had to do with comic book stuff was treated as a silly thing or a joke. I mean its a movie about comic book characters why mock it? The codename scene a clear example of that.

The young Magneto had a bad scene. Why did they make him yell for that long? As a matter of fact, sometimes I felt I was watching Valkyrie with its boring dialogue in the german and russian scenes.

The Mutant and proud lines...horrible. Couldnt have forced it any worse.

Id like maybe a different approach to X-men movies in the future.

I kinda agree. I enjoyed the movie far more than, say, TIH or Thor. But reading the forums I have started to realize of many things. I need to watch it again probably.

 

[kedrell]

The young Magneto had a bad scene. Why did they make him yell for that long? As a matter of fact, sometimes I felt I was watching Valkyrie with its boring dialogue in the german and russian scenes.

Yeah, upon further viewing ...it's bad. That scene needed to be chilling and it just....wasn't. I'd say both the childhood scenes of Erik & Charles really needed something more to make them work. It would have helped immensely if the Charles & Raven scene had started out with more tension of the possibility of a burglar in the house. Things like that that can help it not fall flat.

 

[c-saw]

The young Magneto had a bad scene. Why did they make him yell for that long?

wow. Just when I thought I saw the most ridiculous complaints ... a challenger appears.

 

[kedrell]

He actually says "NEINNNNNNNNNNN!!!!" 2 or 3 times. He takes a breath and continues. Kinda funny. I wish Vader had done that.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

wow. Just when I thought I saw the most ridiculous complaints ... a challenger appears.

Its an opinion. Not that hard to process that someone might think differently but I could be giving too much credit.

And yes, young Magneto yelling was a very bad scene. Could have been done much much better. I mean it was totally awkward. When you think of laughing in a scene thats supposed to be dramatic...you know they missed the mark. Poorly done.