Sequels Would you be okay with Venom sans symbiote in a sequel?

[Anno_Domini]

I rather enjoyed TSSM's version of Venom. It needed work with the design, but overall, his two arcs were major within the series and showed a lot more depth than in any of his portrayals, whether it be comics, TAS and especially Spider-Man 3.

 

[©KAW]

LOL.. Yep.. that TOTALLY blew chunks!

Yeah, that was a weird and cute Venom, he has baby teeth, lol.

I prefer the 90s cartoon Venom saga, leaps and bounds better.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Venom had WAY more to work with in TSSM though.

 

[©KAW]

Then it must have been the execution that I like better, bringing the symbiote to Earth was brilliant. And making the symbiote an evil presence, that in time, passes that evil onto its host was started from that series--both borrowed from TSSM and the MOVIE. Although Eddie Brock/Venom are still weak characters in all three.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I wouldn't called Eddie Brock/Venom weak at all in TSSM. His roles in the two seasons outshine what any Venom did in TAS and especially in S-M 3. Plus...what TAS did, with bringing the symbiote to Earth, it was just the same way in TSSM as well. I advice you to re-watch TSSM's Venom arcs from season one and season two and you may change your mind.

 

[Lord]

Still after knowing why Peter did what he did during the course of the first season he should have forgiven as he was ocupied as spider-man, i would have forgiven Peter

 

[Anno_Domini]

You mean when he found out Peter was Spidey?

The answer is easy: the symbiote was feeding off Eddie's emotions and Eddie didn't have a straight head enough to realize what was going on. I mean in season two, Eddie was more of a drug addict than being a realist.

 

[awesome232]

I say we have a mixture. Have Richard and Eddie Sir discover an alien life form on a Space Shuttle. The government allows them to study it. With all the study they figure out it could cure cancer. They give it to OsCorp to test it and and find out tht it can be used as a weapon. Norman Oborn takes the glory for finding. Peter finds out through Eddie. Eddie should be Peter's childhood friends who works at the Bugle. Peter goes into OsCorp to take it back. It accidentaly latches on to him. After he has the suit for awhile and bad things happen, he rids himself of it outside of a church by falling into a power line causing the suit to burn off. Eddie goes to check on the alien because of all the Black suit Spidey news. He finds nothing, but a broken jar. He thens pulls out a tiny sample of the suit in a jar in the freezer. The camera then views a tiny piece of the suit in the broken jar. It starts to climb towards Eddie. Before Eddie opens the jar, the piece of alien jumps onto Eddie and literally crawlls into his ear and onto his brain filling his mind with images of Peter as Spider-Man. He freaks out and swings his arm out and makes the other jar break. That part of the suir attaches to Eddie and transforms him into....Venom!

 

[Godzilla2014]

I say we have a mixture. Have Richard and Eddie Sir discover an alien life form on a Space Shuttle. The government allows them to study it. With all the study they figure out it could cure cancer. They give it to OsCorp to test it and and find out tht it can be used as a weapon. Norman Oborn takes the glory for finding. Peter finds out through Eddie. Eddie should be Peter's childhood friends who works at the Bugle. Peter goes into OsCorp to take it back. It accidentaly latches on to him. After he has the suit for awhile and bad things happen, he rids himself of it outside of a church by falling into a power line causing the suit to burn off. Eddie goes to check on the alien because of all the Black suit Spidey news. He finds nothing, but a broken jar. He thens pulls out a tiny sample of the suit in a jar in the freezer. The camera then views a tiny piece of the suit in the broken jar. It starts to climb towards Eddie. Before Eddie opens the jar, the piece of alien jumps onto Eddie and literally crawlls into his ear and onto his brain filling his mind with images of Peter as Spider-Man. He freaks out and swings his arm out and makes the other jar break. That part of the suir attaches to Eddie and transforms him into....Venom!

Might work, but it also might come off as too coincidental and contrived.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

I'd rather not see Venom again. I find nothing wrong with Raimi's interpretation of what is ultimately a cool looking but shallow character. If we must see him again, however, I'd definitely like to see them go the way of Ultimate Spider-Man. It's a more interesting storyline to me after so many years of the extraterrestrial lifeform. Plus, it does two things that I believe would be more positive for any Venom retread:

- It keeps the symbiote grounded in Parker's world. It sounds stupid to say so about a series which revolves around a teenage boy with super sticky powers, but I find the alien Venom to be a sort of unbelievable oddball. Every other Spidey villain you can think of carries the idea of 'science gone wrong.' Ultimate Venom restores that theme. I believe the 'Peter's dad made it' story also gives what is already a very personal arc for Peter another neat little dimension.

- It gives Brock better motivation. When it comes to Ultimate Brock, the symbiote is all he has left. He never had an aunt and uncle to fall back on, so he basically got screwed over the moment that plane crashed. Then along comes Peter, who tries to destroy what's left of his father? Great motivation, imo. This would also serve Webb's story well, which (if interviews are any indication) seem to have a great focus on legacies between father/son.

Just my two cents.

 

[spideyguy16]

Im all for a great venom story for a sequel. the only thing that would be a let down though is we wont be able to get venoms big surprise reveal by him scaring the living daylights out of mary jane. maybe he can do this to gwen? very cool to see on screen. i would like a spectacular spider man story driven venom and a mark bagely styled venom. That's a WIN!

 

[Symbiotic]

I don't want a random space rock hitting Earth and landing in Peter's vicinity. Either take the time to do Secret Wars, or give it an Earth origin.

 

[spideyguy16]

I would like a more 616 oriented storyline merged with an ultimate, taking many hints from the ssm series aswell. for a kids show it was pretty epic at times.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

 

[Anno_Domini]

Go suit yourself!

 

[VenomSpawn]

I just want the symbiote to be there for a reason and not some coincidence. Which is why I want to see it be a creation by Richard Parker. Peter would have it for a reason and it wouldn't be a lucky coincidence.

 

[zclark1994]

Just leave the alien costume and venom out of the movies all together. There is plenty of other story to be explored anyway. I'd personally prefer if they avoided using venom or carnage all together this time around. When would they fit him in anyway? I feel like the 2nd film it would just be awkward, and the third film should obviously star the Goblin as the main villain. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Just leave the alien costume and venom out of the movies all together. There is plenty of other story to be explored anyway. I'd personally prefer if they avoided using venom or carnage all together this time around. When would they fit him in anyway? I feel like the 2nd film it would just be awkward, and the third film should obviously star the Goblin as the main villain. But that's just my opinion.

Do you mean regardless of how many films are in the series?
As a Venom fan, I would say that my opinion of whether he should be used or not depends on the number of films in the series. If we only have a trilogy, then I can do without Venom. If there's 6, and they don't have any other ideas for a big villain for 4-6, then he should be used.

 

[White_Knight191]

I actually prefer it that Venom was made by Richard Parker too. It's better than a stupid meteorite hitting the earth imo.
Or have it done like in TSSM. Then I would be happy too.

 

[zclark1994]

Do you mean regardless of how many films are in the series?
As a Venom fan, I would say that my opinion of whether he should be used or not depends on the number of films in the series. If we only have a trilogy, then I can do without Venom. If there's 6, and they don't have any other ideas for a big villain for 4-6, then he should be used.

Agree, but at the same time, how many good 4th, 5th, or 6th movies have you seen. Usually the 3rd movie of series sucks too, unless, in many cases, the series is pre-planned out as a trilogy. One big reason I think that TDKR won't be a bad 3rd movie, it's been planned as a trilogy, to have a beginning, middle, and end. If they feel that they can pull off a fourth or more movies, then by all means, do it. I almost feel like you could combine the alien costume story with the Clone Saga for a back to back 4th and 5th movies. And then have a big finale movie in the 6th.

I guess what I'm saying is do classic spidey stories for 1-3, then start the clone saga and introduce the alien costume in 4, continue clone saga and introduce venom in 5, and then have maybe Carnage and someone else in 6 to wrap up the whole series.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Agree, but at the same time, how many good 4th, 5th, or 6th movies have you seen. Usually the 3rd movie of series sucks too, unless, in many cases, the series is pre-planned out as a trilogy. One big reason I think that TDKR won't be a bad 3rd movie, it's been planned as a trilogy, to have a beginning, middle, and end. If they feel that they can pull off a fourth or more movies, then by all means, do it. I almost feel like you could combine the alien costume story with the Clone Saga for a back to back 4th and 5th movies. And then have a big finale movie in the 6th.

I guess what I'm saying is do classic spidey stories for 1-3, then start the clone saga and introduce the alien costume in 4, continue clone saga and introduce venom in 5, and then have maybe Carnage and someone else in 6 to wrap up the whole series.

I was thinking it might be interesting to have the symbiote storyline follow the death of Gwen Stacy. Peter's anger for her death could be amplified, and then Venom could represent what Peter could become if he gave into his hatred and personal demons like Norman Osborn has. Interesting idea?

 

[White_Knight191]

That sounds great actually, but only if it is executed right.

 

[Godzilla2014]

That sounds great actually, but only if it is executed right.

Thanks!

 

[zclark1994]

I was thinking it might be interesting to have the symbiote storyline follow the death of Gwen Stacy. Peter's anger for her death could be amplified, and then Venom could represent what Peter could become if he gave into his hatred and personal demons like Norman Osborn has. Interesting idea?

Interesting idea???? How about brilliant idea. Why doesn't Sony just give you and me control over the rest of the Series? But what happens next, obviously Peter rejects his hatred, but does it find Brock right away? Also, is Norman out of the picture (hit by his own glider at end of 3rd Sequel?). I guess what I'm really interested in is when does Venom come into the picture, and does Carnage ever make an appearance?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Interesting idea???? How about brilliant idea. Why doesn't Sony just give you and me control over the rest of the Series?

I don't know why they don't. Then again, I haven't really fleshed it out beyond this basic thematic summary.

But what happens next, obviously Peter rejects his hatred, but does it find Brock right away?

It would depend on a few factors, such as the passage of time between films (Brock and the symbiote would merge shortly before Venom begins trying to kill Spider-Man), for example.

Also, is Norman out of the picture (hit by his own glider at end of 3rd Sequel?).

The idea is that he would be dead, but it could work if he survived. I think a Venom vs Green Goblin fight could be awesome.

I guess what I'm really interested in is when does Venom come into the picture, and does Carnage ever make an appearance?

Venom's appearance could be relatively soon, and as for Carnage, I don't have any plans for him (I don't really care for him), but I wouldn't rule him out entirely.