Sequels Would you be okay with Venom sans symbiote in a sequel?

[Anno_Domini]

No, you just chose to selectively quote part of my post explaining "The Suit" by completely leaving out the fact that I mentioned the suit was designed to fight off any sickness that was encountered by the body. It's ultimate goal was to be the cure for cancer. But that's all irrelevant. It still doesn't answer the question of how you could possibly arrive at the thought of the suit being a performance enhancer with regenerative capabilities being more believable or, quasi-realistic, than a suit that helps fight off sickness and disease...

The disease was CANCER that they wanted to cure. We have NO idea if the suit can cure any diseases except for cancer, which was intended. That's where your logic falls on trying to get people to understand. I know what you might have meant, but there's nothing to back up what you're trying to prove.

And a suit being for soldiers to give healing abilities and enhanced strength is more "quasi-realistic", imo, is because of all the bashing the cancer suit created from the get-go, but also that such a suit for soldiers would add-in more examples of how the suit can give off aggression as seen with the 616 symbiote. It'll be a mixture of both elements as there is no background that the cancer suit could bring in aggression or heighten emotions of what we see in TAS, TSSM and S-M 3.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Edit: Oh, nvm.

I still want some of that popcorn!

 

[Troy_Parker]

I still want some of that popcorn!

Get yer own!

 

[Spiderman6592]

The disease was CANCER that they wanted to cure. We have NO idea if the suit can cure any diseases except for cancer, which was intended. That's where your logic falls on trying to get people to understand. I know what you might have meant, but there's nothing to back up what you're trying to prove..

ERRRR. Wrong.

"LIKE IF A CANCER HAD SPREAD."

If would imply that it is a hypothetical situation. Read the comics, and comprehend them before you make yourself look foolish.

Read that panel and it makes it PAINFULLY clear that the suit was designed to be able to cleanse the host of any defect they may have had.

You can very easily find an explanation in enhanced aggression in the fact that, as Eddie states, the suit needs to access the patient's entire biology. If a certain host has certain tendencies and characteristics, it could very easily amplify them.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The military experiment route is a little cliche but it's a major step up from being a cancer suit. lmao!

 

[Spiderman6592]

 

[Troy_Parker]

I was just about to post that scan. L0L

Nvm.

 

[Spiderman6592]

I'm missing what is so unbelievably inconceivable about that explanation to everyone else. Seems like a perfectly sound and somewhat reasonable explanation as opposed to, "Alien goop from space."

 

[Anno_Domini]

ERRRR. Wrong.

"LIKE IF A CANCER HAD SPREAD."

If would imply that it is a hypothetical situation. Read the comics, and comprehend them before you make yourself look foolish.

Read that panel and it makes it PAINFULLY clear that the suit was designed to be able to cleanse the host of any defect they may have had.

He was only explaining on what the suit does to cancer. The Ultimate comics are known to use 'like', 'um', 'but' more times than any rational teenager would, so that still proves jack. He could easily be explaining how it targets the tumor/cancer and just said 'like' like a tweenie would.

That...proves nada. Sorry there.

You can very easily find an explanation in enhanced aggression in the fact that, as Eddie states, the suit needs to access the patient's entire biology. If a certain host has certain tendencies and characteristics, it could very easily amplify them.

And that's adding to what is a very poor imitation to the symbiote. The soldier's suit would have have that "aggression factor" to it, be new, not be the "poor imitation" and still bring in the qualities of the 616 alien symbiote. Sure, I get your understanding, but the soldier's suit would fit more into how it brings forth such an emotion because if any intelligent doctor could even make a suit, they would NOT make a suit bring out any aggression or hatred that the person would have.

 

[TheSlag]

I'm missing what is so unbelievably inconceivable about that explanation to everyone else. Seems like a perfectly sound and somewhat reasonable explanation as opposed to, "Alien goop from space."

Agreed. I actually prefer it considering how poorly the "Alien Goop" was handled in SM3.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Get yer own!

Fine!

Mine's bigger

 

[Spiderman6592]

He was only explaining on what the suit does to cancer. The Ultimate comics are known to use 'like', 'um', 'but' more times than any rational teenager would, so that still proves jack. He could easily be explaining how it targets the tumor/cancer and just said 'like' like a tweenie would.

That...proves nada. Sorry there.

Nice try.

You're focusing on "like" rather than "if". Use your brain please. Remove the word like from that dialogue and you have, "If a cancer had spread."


Not to mention the fact that before they even talk about cancer he very simplistically explains it as the body "finding what [it] needs and finding a natural solution."

So if the body needed a cure for a common cold, the scientifically engineered suit would be like, "Nah, **** that, I only look for CANCER!"

Again, nice try, but a six year old with basic reading comprehension skills can figure out the meaning behind what he's saying.

 

[TheSlag]

And that's adding to what is a very poor imitation to the symbiote. The soldier's suit would have have that "aggression factor" to it, be new, not be the "poor imitation" and still bring in the qualities of the 616 alien symbiote. Sure, I get your understanding, but the soldier's suit would fit more into how it brings forth such an emotion because if any intelligent doctor could even make a suit, they would NOT make a suit bring out any aggression or hatred that the person would have.

Have you never heard of unexpected results in Scientific research or prototypes. Unexpected consequences? They expected it to enhance your immune system and it enhanced other unintended characteristics of the host???

 

[Troy_Parker]

I'm missing what is so unbelievably inconceivable about that explanation to everyone else. Seems like a perfectly sound and somewhat reasonable explanation as opposed to, "Alien goop from space."

That reason does make sense.

Until we get to this.

Why would it look like... that. The teeth, the tongue, the spiked tentacles?

If it amplifies the host strengths and abilities, why would it look like such a monster?

You'll have to excuse me if there is a reason for that in the Ultimate comics, I haven't read the older issues in a long time. Is there one?

 

[Troy_Parker]

Fine!

Mine's bigger

 

[TheSlag]

That reason does make sense.

Until we get to this.

Why would it look like... that. The teeth, the tongue?

If it amplifies the host strengths and abilities, why would it look like such a monster?

You'll have to excuse me if there is a reason for that in the Ultimate comics, I haven't read the older issues in a long time. Is there one?

You could ask the same of the "Alien Goop". why the long tongue.. the teeth, why would it take such a form?

 

[Spiderman6592]

That reason does make sense.

Until we get to this.

Why would it look like... that. The teeth, the tongue, the spiked tentacles?

If it amplifies the host strengths and abilities, why would it look like such a monster?

You'll have to excuse me if there is a reason for that in the Ultimate comics, I haven't read the older issues in a long time. Is there one?

That's just nitpicking. Why the hell does Mysterio have a ****ing fishbowl on his head? It's just accepted.

What do you want? Venom to look like this giant monster with a normal face?

Sheesh, a kid can climb on wells and gain precognitive awareness, but GOD FORBID SOMETHING LIKE A MEDICAL SUIT ATTAIN THE APPEARANCE OF A MONSTER!

And say they went the route of the military suit like that poster mentioned...why the teeth and tongue?

 

[Anno_Domini]

Nice try.

You're focusing on "like" rather than "if". Use your brain please. Remove the word like from that dialogue and you have, "If a cancer had spread."

Not to mention the fact that before they even talk about cancer he very simplistically explains it as the body "finding what [it] needs and finding a natural solution."

Again, nice try, but a six year old with basic reading comprehension skills can figure out the meaning behind what he's saying.

You don't understand how he's trying to explain it to a high school kid. The words he used doesn't try to specify such a disease of the many diseases it cures, he's only mentioning how and if cancer does show up, which is the disease the suit targets for, how the outcome would be inside the suit during the first two stages.

Take your own advice on the comprehension mate

Have you never heard of unexpected results in Scientific research or prototypes. Unexpected consequences? They expected it to enhance your immune system and it enhanced other unintended characteristics of the host???

That reason does make sense.

Until we get to this.

As Troy_Parker mentioned, the suit that becomes of Eddie is too evil than any "consequences" a medical prototype suit could and should cause. That's reaching the stars and at least a soldier suit would also make sense why Venom becomes more "deadly" in its look.

If a patient gets mad or angry, he wouldn't cause spikes on its shoulders.

 

[Anno_Domini]

You could ask the same of the "Alien Goop". why the long tongue.. the teeth, why would it take such a form?

Because it was changing Peter from the beginning as well into a monster that was Venom in its final form.

 

[Troy_Parker]

You could ask the same of the "Alien Goop". why the long tongue.. the teeth, why would it take such a form?

Easy. (and this is the part I love about the alien origin)... it's an alien entity.

We're used to seeing aliens look like this

and whatnot... so throwing in the simple explanation that it's an alien symbiote that's actually feeding on the host, and amplifies characteristics such as aggression of its host, whilst having its own form of consciousness, doesn't seem too crazy.

But. If you're going with the scientific route, with points such as "it makes the wearer stronger" (you can have the host looking bigger while encased in that goop) but there's no plausible reason as to why he'd look like something out of a childs nightmare.

Now if it's a little deeper (I saw a nervous system explanation somewhere) than the cancer suit, I'd definitely like that over a alien origin.

There's benefits on both sides, but I'd definitely like to see a re-worked cancer suit on screen, as opposed to "oh yeah, it came from outer space".

 

[Spiderman6592]

You don't understand how he's trying to explain it to a high school kid. The words he used doesn't try to specify such a disease of the many diseases it cures, he's only mentioning how and if cancer does show up, which is the disease the suit targets for, how the outcome would be inside the suit during the first two stages.

Can you read? He says the word "IF".


If:

Conjunction: Introducing a conditional clause.
Noun: A condition or supposition.

Therefore, IF the patient had a cancer, then the suit would diagnose it and kill it.


The reason Bendis used cancer as an example, is because it's ****ing substantial and there is no other knwon cure. What do you want him to say?

Eddie: "Yeah, so like, if the patient had a cold or flu or whatever, then the suit would find it and kill it."

Peter: "Why? Couldn't I just wait a few days for it to go away or get a flu shot?"

 

[Anno_Domini]

IF meaning....IF the guy had cancer, then that's what the suit would do.

It's like him just saying "When a guy gets cancer, this is what the suit will do."

Gosh dang man.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Can you read? He says the word "IF".


If:

Conjunction: Introducing a conditional clause.
Noun: A condition or supposition.

Therefore, IF the patient had a cancer, then the suit would diagnose it and kill it.


The reason Bendis used cancer as an example, is because it's ****ing substantial and there is no other knwon cure. What do you want him to say?

Eddie: "Yeah, so like, if the patient had a cold or flu or whatever, then the suit would find it and kill it."

Peter: "Why? Couldn't I just wait a few days for it to go away or get a flu shot?"

That's just nitpicking. Why the hell does Mysterio have a ****ing fishbowl on his head? It's just accepted.

What do you want? Venom to look like this giant monster with a normal face?

Sheesh, a kid can climb on wells and gain precognitive awareness, but GOD FORBID SOMETHING LIKE A MEDICAL SUIT ATTAIN THE APPEARANCE OF A MONSTER!

And say they went the route of the military suit like that poster mentioned...why the teeth and tongue?

It's not nitpicking. At all. If you're going the scientific route, you should explain why it looks like that. Now if it had a military application, or was something that directly links in with the users brain (emotions) and some other pseudo-science crap then, yes. I could see why he looks like that.

But as a suit designed to cure disease?

No.

 

[Spiderman6592]

So, then you're saying that the following means the same thing:

"If I bang Jessica Simpson..."

"When I bang Jessica Simpson..."

?

For real?



And Troy

Do you know what biology means? Like if something gains control of your entire biology? If the suit gained access to someone's biology it would gain access to its

A. Structure
B. Function
C. Growth
D. Evolution

And a bunch of other **** I'm likely missing out on. If the suit had access to all of those things, you don't think it has the potential to **** things up just a little bit?

 

[Anno_Domini]

So, when you're saying that the following means the same thing:

"If I bang Jessica Simpson..."

"When I bang Jessica Simpson..."

?

For real?

Comedy gold is what you are man.

Truth be told, you're the only one that I have read posts of that thinks that the suit will cure other diseases besides cancer. You're not proving any valid truth just by your single, only idea opinions.