Wrestling: The Action Soap Opera Thread

[Slushy]

LOL, its only a matter of time before we start reading reports of Del Rio holding So and So down and sabatoging Wrestler's X push! t:

 

[Darkness Falls]

someone needs to take over when rey retires

 

[Hunter Rider]

For Nex.

 

[E-Man]

Ziggler vs Bourne helped bring the rating to its highest point of the night? That should tell you something, WWE. It should also tell you something in how the Cole BS lost the second most amount of viewers for the whole show.

No, you're being a mark. Wrestling doesn't sell anymore. It's all about action soap operas and people over 6'5. Ziggler and Bourne aren't those guys. It's just a mistake. They meant to say that the Cole segment actually was the highest rated segment of the night. There's no way that the WWE would keep pushing something that's not getting over. No freaking way.

 

[BlackLantern]

yea...even JR bought it up on his blog, that their segment was the highest rated of the hour

 

[Metallo]

Where are these Kevin Kelly articles coming from? I see an occasional one or two posted here and I find them extremely fascinating.

I like Kevin Kellys articles because he can give an unbiased and informed opinion.

This discussion of Bret Hart has me thinking of how badly WWE failed to capitalize on the Hart Dynasty. WWE missed the boat on them big time.

The Hart Dynasty could have been pushed big and made to be a powerful faction that could have potentially groomed DH Smith into a main event star, while making Tyson Kidd a solid mid-card player. With Bret's return last year it was the perfect opportunity. He could have served as the Godfather of the group who occasionally made an appearance, while WWE could have made Edge or Jericho the leader of the group to give it some legitimate star power so the others in the group could get the rub and have room to grow and become seasoned.

It's a shame because WWE is really in a position right now where they are lacking top guys because of their failure to create new stars with the veterans they have or because of the off and on again pushes.

You have a really good idea. Thats why WWE isn't doing it. Vince can barely tell what is a great idea anymore and seems to be booking more for himself than for the audience.

If they were going to break The Dynasty up they could have at least done something worthwhile with them. Why break them up if they don't have anything planned for them?

The team was to new for the break up to get any kind of signifigant heat from it.

 

[Superark]

I like Kevin Kellys articles because he can give an unbiased and informed opinion.




You have a really good idea. Thats why WWE isn't doing it. Vince can barely tell what is a great idea anymore and seems to be booking more for himself than for the audience.

If they were going to break The Dynasty up they could have at least done something worthwhile with them. Why break them up if they don't have anything planned for them?

The team was to new for the break up to get any kind of signifigant heat from it.

I never underastood the break-up and the burial of the team afterwards. I would have played it to where Edge or Jericho were getting slowly jealous of DH Smith's rising star and the Hart Dynasty turned against him and Smith became the breakout face who was looking for revenge while the Hart Dynasty then became the bastard heel group.

Then your big title match could have been Jericho vs. Smith, or Edge vs. Smith. Plus, Christian could have been added to the group after DH mith was kicked out to keep the faction strong.

I'm actually shocked that WWE has buried Smith the way they have. He's exactly the kind of wrestler Vince loves. He's big, good looking, and is actually a decent worker. I don't know why they haven't pushed him.

 

[TX85]

Angelina-Female Taker&Winter-Female Paul Beare!?!?

 

[BlackLantern]

Smith has expressed thoughts of going into MMA....and as we all know, any mention of doing anything OTHER than WWE while in their employ = instant demotion

 

[Metallo]

I never underastood the break-up and the burial of the team afterwards. I would have played it to where Edge or Jericho were getting slowly jealous of DH Smith's rising star and the Hart Dynasty turned against him and Smith became the breakout face who was looking for revenge while the Hart Dynasty then became the bastard heel group.

Then your big title match could have been Jericho vs. Smith, or Edge vs. Smith. Plus, Christian could have been added to the group after DH mith was kicked out to keep the faction strong.

I'm actually shocked that WWE has buried Smith the way they have. He's exactly the kind of wrestler Vince loves. He's big, good looking, and is actually a decent worker. I don't know why they haven't pushed him.

Cause Vince is 3 beers short of a 6 pack? He's to erratic and since he's erratic his soap opera creative team doesn't have a change of crafting good storylines for most of the midcard talent. Even Vince himself was supposedly upset that Harry Smith was being wasted before the Hart Dynasty was formed. But maybe he was feeling motivated at the time because there was talk of Bret coming back. Not that thats happened the entire Dynasty is left to twist in the wind. Even Natalya got her short time in the spotlight only to once again be lost in the shuffle.

Meanwhile Laycool and the Bellas continue to stink up my tv.

 

[Metallo]

Damn I bet the technodrome gets better gas mileage than Ken Anderson's truck.

I thought Karen Jarrett was pretty amusing out there on the mic. That whole thing made no sense but she's better on the mic than her husband these days.

The stuff with Velvet and Zombielina is pretty stupid though.

Smith has expressed thoughts of going into MMA....and as we all know, any mention of doing anything OTHER than WWE while in their employ = instant demotion

He may as well do it. Harry Smith can do MMA and have a legit shot at succeeding just like anyone else without nearly as much BS as in WWE. ...And he can gain some respectable fame in a sport most people don't turn their nose up at. ...And probably not die before he's forty like his old man.

Angelina-Female Taker&Winter-Female Paul Beare!?!?

I thought Taker was physically imposing though? Angelina Love looks like she might fall through a crack in the floor. That once lovely arch in her back looks like a flat piece of pavement now.

 

[TX85]

now Sabin is injured or what??,Shelley!!!,always great to see Steiner But yeah.....***** this,I'll just check the results for the rest of the show latter!!

 

[BlackLantern]

there is a damn good playoff game on (Lakers, Hornets) the draft is on as well and hockey...why is anyone watching Impact?

 

[TX85]

I thought Taker was physically imposing though? Angelina Love looks like she might fall through a crack in the floor. That once lovely arch in her back looks like a flat piece of pavement now.

it don't stop her from acting like Taker'91...exactly like the same!!

 

[The Sage]

Smith has expressed thoughts of going into MMA....and as we all know, any mention of doing anything OTHER than WWE while in their employ = instant demotion

Unless you're the Undertaker.

 

[Metallo]

it don't stop her from acting like Taker'91...exactly like the same!!

So she has supernatural powers, can rise into the air after "death", and puts her victims in a body bag?

She was acting zombie like but thats because she was drugged. Thats an old OLD thing that was around long before the Undertaker. Thats what a Haitian "zombie" is. I kinda doubt they had Taker in mind and wanted to rip him off.

Unless you're the Undertaker.

Or his wife.

 

[Nemi]

Haitian ''zombie'' ?

 

[Metallo]

Haitian ''zombie'' ?

Haiti is where we get our initial idea of what a "zombie" or "zombi" comes from. Its evolved in fiction into the literally undead but in Haiti a "zombi" was someone who was "resurrected" from an apparent "death" into a mindless slave to do someones bidding. a couple of different drugs were used to do this. I think it originally came to Haiti from West Africa.

From wikipedia:

West African Vodun

According to the tenets of Vodou, a dead person can be revived by a bokor, or sorcerer. Zombies remain under the control of the bokor since they have no will of their own. "Zombi" is also another name of the Vodou snake lwa Damballah Wedo, of Niger-Congo origin; it is akin to the Kikongo word nzambi, which means "god". There also exists within the West African Vodun tradition the zombi astral, which is a part of the human soul that is captured by a bokor and used to enhance the bokor's power. The zombi astral is typically kept inside a bottle which the bokor can sell to clients for luck, healing or business success. It is believed that after a time God will take the soul back and so the zombi is a temporary spiritual entity.[2] It is also said in vodou legend, that feeding a zombie salt will make it return to the grave.


Haitian Vodou and alleged pharmaceutical explanation

In 1937, while researching folklore in Haiti, Zora Neale Hurston encountered the case of a woman who appeared in a village, and a family claimed she was Felicia Felix-Mentor, a relative who had died and been buried in 1907 at the age of 29. Hurston pursued rumors that the affected persons were given powerful psychoactive drug, but she was unable to locate individuals willing to offer much information. She wrote:
“ What is more, if science ever gets to the bottom of Voodoo in Haiti and Africa, it will be found that some important medical secrets, still unknown to medical science, give it its power, rather than gestures of ceremony.[3] ” Several decades later, Wade Davis, a Harvard ethnobotanist, presented a pharmacological case for zombies in two books, The Serpent and the Rainbow (1985) and Passage of Darkness: The Ethnobiology of the Haitian Zombie (1988). Davis traveled to Haiti in 1982 and, as a result of his investigations, claimed that a living person can be turned into a zombie by two special powders being entered into the blood stream (usually via a wound). The first, coup de poudre (French: 'powder strike'), includes tetrodotoxin (TTX), a powerful and frequently fatal neurotoxin found in the flesh of the pufferfish (order Tetraodontidae). The second powder consists of dissociative drugs such as datura. Together, these powders were said to induce a death-like state in which the will of the victim would be entirely subjected to that of the bokor. Davis also popularized the story of Clairvius Narcisse, who was claimed to have succumbed to this practice.

The process described by Davis was an initial state of death-like suspended animation, followed by re-awakening—typically after being buried—into a psychotic state. The psychosis induced by the drug and psychological trauma was hypothesised by Davis to re-inforce culturally-learned beliefs and to cause the individual to reconstruct their identity as that of a zombie, since they 'knew' they were dead, and had no other role to play in the Haitian society. Societal reinforcement of the belief was hypothesized by Davis to confirm for the zombie individual the zombie state, and such individuals were known to hang around in graveyards, exhibiting attitudes of low affect.

I guess I was the ONLY kid around here who watched Kolchak the Night Stalker. Thats probably where I first heard of the idea of a "zombi" from Haiti.

 

[StarkvsRogers]

Not my favorite Impact tonight...

http://henchmanforhire.com/2011/04/tna-impact-428/

 

[Nemi]

Thanks for the info Metallo. It's a wicked world that we live in.
Speaking of that, has anyone heard of Karen Jarrett filing a sexual harassment lawsuit?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Thanks for the info Metallo. It's a wicked world that we live in.
Speaking of that, has anyone heard of Karen Jarrett filing a sexual harassment lawsuit?

We learned something about the undead, and we got a TMNT reference. Is there anything this guy can't do?!?

 

[Nemi]

Can he scare someone half to death twice?

 

[SuperFerret]

Haiti is where we get our initial idea of what a "zombie" or "zombi" comes from. Its evolved in fiction into the literally undead but in Haiti a "zombi" was someone who was "resurrected" from an apparent "death" into a mindless slave to do someones bidding. a couple of different drugs were used to do this. I think it originally came to Haiti from West Africa.

From wikipedia:

I guess I was the ONLY kid around here who watched Kolchak the Night Stalker. Thats probably where I first heard of the idea of a "zombi" from Haiti.

Thank you. There was one time that I thought this was common knowledge. I am an idiot.

 

[Metallo]

Thank you. There was one time that I thought this was common knowledge. I am an idiot.

We learned something about the undead, and we got a TMNT reference. Is there anything this guy can't do?!?

I can't make myself take Scott Steiner seriously. Leave it to Scotty to make light of committing suicide after all the wrestlers that have done it. Watching him talk is like watching a train wreck. Its terrible but I can't look away.

I can't make myself give a sh** about the current season of NXT either. You win and you get on the NEXT season of NXT? Thats the prize? And why is Darren Young there?

 

[NDX]

For Nex.

Gentleman and a scholar.