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Please, vote which X-Men should win and maybe give a sensible reason why.

Okay, lets get ready to fight

Cyclops Vs Cannonball
Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers)
Nightcrawler Vs Havok
Iceman Vs Shadowcat
Archangel Vs Storm

Bonus Fight:

Sunfire Vs Northstar

P.S. Anything goes short of killing their opponent. I will tally the vote by Sunday.

Any information regarding character abilities see…

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/
 
Hmmm. Interesting bouts.

Cyclops vs. Cannonball - Tough to say. Yes, Sam is invincible while blasting, but for some reason whenever he's around the real X-Men he reverts to a complete state of amateurism. You remember the nineties. He went from being all hardcore on X-Force to becoming a total rookie once he joined the X-Men. And which X-Man gets more "real-deal X-Men" than Cyclops? And you know that Cyclops would take advantage of Sam's *****-footing when it comes to the X-Men. Cyclops wins.

Jean vs. Rogue - I gotta go with Jean here. Rogue's a rough n' tough brawler, while Jean's several cuts above that.

Nightcrawler vs. Havok - Havok drops Kurt fast and hard. Yes, Kurt can teleport, but he has to get close to attack Havok. And at that point, all Havok has to do is explode. For Havok, that's pretty easy.

Iceman vs. Shadowcat - Shadowcat takes it. Iceman's too much of a chucklehead to put up with Kitty. He'll act like he's got it easy after beating Bishop and that is how and when she will take him by surprise and dismantle him.

Archangel vs. Storm - I gotta go with Warren here. He's got the speed advantage and the ruthlessness to pull it off. All it will take is one well-placed wing missile and she's dropped. Whereas a guy designed with metal wings is certainly insulated. Apocalypse isn't THAT much of an idiot.

Sunfire vs. Northstar - Hmmm..... Depends on how resistent to flame Northstar is. If he can swat Shiro without burning himself in the process, then it's all his.
 
Cyclops Vs Cannonball- Im going with Sam on this one. If he flys right into Cyke he can take him out.

Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers)- Hmm. Ill go with Jean. She is omega without the P-Force so im sure a heavy tank like Rogue wont be much of a task.

Nightcrawler Vs Havok-Havok. Just blow the blue guy to bits.

Iceman Vs Shadowcat- Shadowcat. I love the girl and she is very well trained, using all her cards right she can easily take Bobby out.

Archangel Vs Storm- Archangel. Like Cyclops said just one good hit and shes done for.

Bonus Fight:

Sunfire Vs Northstar-Hmmmmmmmm very interesting..... Im not sure ill say Sunfire. If Northstar trys to lay a smack on him he can just char him up.
 
Cyclops Vs Cannonball-I think Cyke is trained well enough to avoid the blasting Cannonball, forcing the situation into a hand to hand combat situation (the second Cyke goes to blast, Sam would blast off). And then, Martial arts Cyke trounces the country boy. Cyclops

Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers)-Jean, no doubt. Rogue was mentally vulnerable during that time (oh how things have changed.../sarcasm) so Jean could just make Rogue think she's getting attacked by Demon Danvers again. Jean Grey

Nightcrawler Vs Havok-HAVOK GO BOOM! Havok

Iceman Vs Shadowcat- Intangible Ninja Kitty trounces Bobby (remember, Kitty can phase parts of herself, so she can stay intangible and harden her fist enough for a judo chop and then phase it again). Shadowcat

Archangel Vs Storm-Knock him out of the air and freeze/flash fry him. Storm

Sunfire Vs Northstar- Northstar is super fast and after the Hand dealio knows martial arts and has a big flash bang. Sunfire stands no chance. Northstar
 
Cyke vs. Cannonball. Experience counts. Scott wins. Sam's grounded.. CYCLOPS.

Jean vs. Rogue. Jean would never let Rogue get close enough to her. JEAN.

Nightcrawler vs Havok. Hmm, I seem to be in the minority, but i think Kurt could outbamf Alex's concussion blasts. NIGHTCRAWLER.

Iceman vs Shadowcat. I really badly want to say Bobby here. Really, Really badly. And i'm sure, if I thought hard enough, I could come up with a reason for him to win. But logic says that the intangible girl beats him. SHADOWCAT.

Archangel vs Storm. Well, I think Warren is faster, but Storm has command of the winds, and that's what Warren needs, she also has command of Lightning, and, do you know what happens to an Archangel hit by lightning? The same thing that happens to anything else ;). STORM.


Sunfire vs Northstar. I think Sunfire, just cos Northstar would be so damn cocky and Shiro would not tolerate it. He'd pull out all the stops then. SUNFIRE.
 
Amusingly enough I'm pretty sure this is going to come down to Storm vs Jean (havent seen much of that have we ;) )

Cyclops Vs Cannonball

Cannonball has superior powers but Cyclops has superior tactics, skill, experience and combat intelligence. Scott's not Reed Richards but he's the next best thing. Guthrie makes like Igby and goes down. Scott 8/10.



Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers)


A woman who's telepathicaly owned Apocalypse and shattered unbreakable exo-armor just isn't going to be phased by a strength type like Rogue. Sabertooth redux, Jean 10/10.

Nightcrawler Vs Havok

Havok, with his omnidirectional blast wave. 7/10.


Iceman Vs Shadowcat


This is probably the toughest one to call for me. Iceman has so much potential and only randomly uses the more extreme powers. Can he manipulate Kitty's water molecules while she's phased? I dont know. If Kitty phases Iceman's arm into a wall, can he grow it back? Well he grew back a whole new body from his head down in Uncanny not long ago, so I dont see why not... He doesnt have any internal organs to phase out. I just don't know. I will give it to Kitty by an edge because I just cant see how Bobby would hurt her. Kitty 6/10.

Archangel Vs Storm


Storm, by a mile 9/10.

Bonus Fight:

Sunfire Vs Northstar

Northstar dodges anything Shiro throws at him and knocks him out before he can get anything else going. They both fly so Sunfire's not getting away that way. Jean-Paul 8/10.
 
HandOfFate said:
Please, vote which X-Men should win and maybe give a sensible reason why.

Okay, lets get ready to fight

Cyclops Vs Cannonball
Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers)
Nightcrawler Vs Havok
Iceman Vs Shadowcat
Archangel Vs Storm

Bonus Fight:

Sunfire Vs Northstar

Cyke vs. Cannonball-- While I do imagine Cyclops would have the tactical edge, again, I don't see what good it does him here. Sam ought to be invulnerable to Cyke's optic beams, and Cyke can't really protect himself from being blasted through a wall. Cannonball

Jean vs. Rogue-- Phoenix Jean wins against everybody short of Galactus, but I think non-Phoenix Jean could be taken down by a few, swift punches from Ms. Marvel Rogue, who's always a tough nut for telepaths to crack.

Nigtcrawler vs. Havok-- Tougher, but Alex's skills don't really lend themselves to finesse. If Kurt stays nimble, I think he can avoid the plasma blasts long enough to K.O. Alex. Nightcrawler

Iceman vs. Shadowcat-- I'm not sure Kitty's meaner tricks could do her any good against Bobby's ice form-- on the other hard, it's kinda hard to freeze a phased person. This looks like a stalemale to me. No vote.

Archangel vs. Storm-- "Ah, yes, a bolt of lightning thrown at a chap with giant metal conductors on his back. I thought you lived at a school..." Storm

and

Sunfire vs. Northstar-- Not very familiar with Sunfire, but this looks fairly even from what I know, so I'll go with the oft-stated rule that Super-Speed Beats All. Northstar
 
Cyclops Vs Cannonball- This is a tough one for Scott...given the nature of Sam's power....But Slim had the brians to beat kitty while she was phased...so i think he can figure out how to take down Sam.

Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers)-Jean takes this without much trouble...Rogue was beaten by Psylocke who is quite weaker then Jean

Is Jean still an Omega without the force.....**confussled**...i thought the force was her power.

Nightcrawler Vs Havok-Alex might not know kurts attack patterns inside out like his Brother...But he has the raw power to take kurt out quite easily.

Iceman Vs Shadowcat- Iceman is an Omega.....cant he frezze molecules?...even phased ones?..plus how is she going to beat him in his iceform?..Iceman wins thanks ot his Raw power.

Archangel Vs Storm- This is a bit of a one sided match..Storm takes this easily.

Sunfire vs. Northstar--Sunfire's raw power is too much for Northstar to handle...
 
Optic Rage said:
Is Jean still an Omega without the force.....**confussled**...i thought the force was her power.

The Force is her full potential- her full potential is herself as Phoenix. But she's always an Omega mutant, whether she's at her full potential or not. Just like Iceman is an Omega mutant despite the fact that he's nowhere near his full potential.

She was first stated to be an Omega mutant in X-men Forever when she was not wielding the Force.
 
Cyclops said:
Archangel vs. Storm - I gotta go with Warren here. He's got the speed advantage and the ruthlessness to pull it off. All it will take is one well-placed wing missile and she's dropped. Whereas a guy designed with metal wings is certainly insulated. Apocalypse isn't THAT much of an idiot.

Depends. Is Milligan writing him? >.>

Cyclops vs. Cannonball - I've got to agree with a few posters from above and say that Cyke gets the win here. Yeah, there's the tactical aspect, but that might not be all. We know Sam's invulnerable while blasting, but it's been shown countless times that he can get knocked off course, crash, etc. Right? Cyke's blasts are concussive force. Wouldn't it be easy to blast Sam off course, into something, make him crash, and then finish the job? I say Cyke wins.

Jean Grey vs. Rogue - Jean. Telekinesis, telepathy. Yes, Rogue can punch her through a wall, if Rogue can get close. Jean won't let her. Pick any of a gazillion winning options.

Nightcrawler vs. Havok - I love the both of them, but Havok wins this one. He's volatile, we've all seen him go postal. Kurt has to port close, and when he does, Havok lets loose. OR... Kurt teleports part of his body away. Raw power vs. lucky shot, I'd say, and raw power wins. Havok.

Iceman vs. Shadowcat - After some thought, I pick Shadowcat (with nothing to do concerning ninjadom). Mostly all the reasons others have posted.

Archangel vs. Storm - Assuming Apocalypse isn't written by Milligan and DID insulate Archangel...:D Same as Cyke, though. One wing missile, or, hell, one or two wing swipes, and Storm drops. I didn't know Goddesses could get punctured and ventilated. Archangel wins.

Sunfire vs. Northstar - Northstar wearing a fire suit? I don't care of Northstar's fast or can fly. Yeah, he can dodge some fire blasts, but when it comes to hitting Sunfire, Sunny could just go, oh, you know, postal and send out a area of effect atomic blast or some such. I doubt Mr. Northstar would be outrunning it. Sunfire wins.
 
rjb182 said:
Cyke vs. Cannonball-- While I do imagine Cyclops would have the tactical edge, again, I don't see what good it does him here. Sam ought to be invulnerable to Cyke's optic beams, and Cyke can't really protect himself from being blasted through a wall. Cannonball

Just feel the need to reply to his, no offense meant.

But, Cannonball is invulnerable in his blasting form...but is he also unstoppable (a la Juggernaut)? Because if not, Cyke has enough power in his optic blasts to bring Cannonball to a standstill while blasting. It won't hurt Guthrie, but it will stall him long enough that Cyke can move out of the way. That is what, in my mind, brings it to a point where they realize their powers can't take the other out and just handle it hand to hand style.

El Bastardo said:
Iceman vs. Shadowcat - I'm not sure. Kitty would probably have to turn solid to attack Icey, and really, is a judo chop or any of her random ninja abilities going to do anything to his ice body? Are we assuming she can karate chop his body apart? Please. But I, like other posters, am not sure if he can freeze her phased self. No vote.

I love your name by the way.

But if he has no internal organs anymore, can't she just solidify inside his head and make it go boom?

I think in a case where neither can definitively defeat the other (via knock out) a knock down would be a viable means of defeat. Just my opinion though.

And I contend no matter what, he can't freeze something that's phased the same way TK can't hit something that's phased. That's why it's called...ya know...phasing...lol.
 
^ Hah! Thanks for the compliment. =D That's two people who love my name.

That's a fair statement about what Kitty could possibly do to Bobby. In that case, he could just ice slide away and she wouldn't be able to give chase. And it still depends on if she has any water molecules while phased, and if so, would he be able to infect them? I... still have no idea here.
 
Wikipedia said:
Shadowcat possesses the ability to "phase" or literally pass through solid matter by passing her atoms through the spaces between the atoms of the object through which she is moving. Utilizing her phasing ability, she can also walk on air. While phasing, she is intangible and thus invulnerable to physical attacks and telepaths have a hard time reaching her mind in phased form.

Last I checked, freezing is a physical effect/attack. I looked it up because I was not completely sure on how out of phase with reality Kitty became but I think that answers it well enough (though ol Wikipedia is obviously not the be all end all answer).

And...

El Bastardo said:
That's a fair statement about what Kitty could possibly do to Bobby. In that case, he could just ice slide away and she wouldn't be able to give chase.

I've always considered running away to be a loss in a fight...sometimes a temporary one, but still a loss. (I'll stop, I swear)
 
Wolverazio said:
But, Cannonball is invulnerable in his blasting form...but is he also unstoppable (a la Juggernaut)? Because if not, Cyke has enough power in his optic blasts to bring Cannonball to a standstill while blasting. It won't hurt Guthrie, but it will stall him long enough that Cyke can move out of the way. That is what, in my mind, brings it to a point where they realize their powers can't take the other out and just handle it hand to hand style.

Sam can absorb attacks into his field and increase his strenght. Im pretty sure he could absorb Cyke's blasts because they are concussive.
 
Cyclops vs. Cannonball - Cannonball. Cyke can blast and blast, and as long as Sam stays focused, he should be able to get in close for one good shot and ram Cyke into a wall or something.

Jean vs. Rogue - Jean. No brainer. She shuts down Rogues mind in two seconds.

Nightcrawler vs. Havok - Havok. All he's gotta do it wait for Kurt to get close and just let loose. Even with his porting, Kurt would eventually get caught and fried.

Iceman vs. Shadowcat - Iceman. Kitty can't stay intangible forever and as long as he keeps her in sight, she can't really do anything to him. And given the things Bobby's done recently with his powers, he should have the upper hand.

Archangel vs. Storm - Archangel, but not by much. He's fast enough to not really be affected by Storm's wind/rain powers and like Cyclops said, we gotta assume that lightning can't take him down. All he's gotta do if get close and pump her full of metal.

Sunfire vs. Northstar - Northstar. Jean-Paul is pretty tough, so even if Shiro lands a shot or two, he should be OK. They can both fly, but JP's got the speed advantage, which should tip the scales in his favor.
 
Exploding Boy said:
Sam can absorb attacks into his field and increase his strenght. Im pretty sure he could absorb Cyke's blasts because they are concussive.

I don't think there's anything that says he can absorb energy attacks. Despite Cyke's beams being concussive force, they're still energy. I'm not saying Cyke could knock Sam out with his blast field up, but I don't think Sam would just absorb the energy.
 
He's right^^

Sam has been knocked out quite a few times..even when he was blasting.
 
That's the problem. As long as Sam stays focused. Scott being the personification of the X-Men, Sam would be incredibly intimidated and that will cause him to mess up. Again, I refer to the nineties when he became an X-Man and suddenly went from borderline leader to rank amateur in a heartbeat.
 
To be fair, Cannonball's thrown down with Gladiator and thats not a mean feat at all.

But I do think Cyclops wins, on psychological, experience and tactical factors. Sam may have a quite a bit more raw power, but thats not enough.
 
Cyclops Vs Cannonball

Cykes concussive blast could stop Cannonball in his tracks turning it into a H2H battle. Of which Cyke wins.


Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers)

This isn't really even fair... We have the most powerful telepath in the world (sans Phoenix) vs. miss emotional instability. There doesn't even need to be any kind of physical fight to this one Rogue will be crying in a corner slitting her wrists before the fight gets started.


Nightcrawler Vs Havok

I'm giving this one to Nightcrawler based on his skills and powers. He's no idiot and he has amazingly useful abilities. He can bamf in to Havok throw down a few punches, kicks, and katana slices then bamf his way out of range of attack. Kurt Wins.


Iceman Vs Shadowcat

Shadowcat wins this by virtue of powers. She's ruthless when she needs to be; Bobby isn't. Kitty takes him.


Archangel Vs Storm

This is a tough one but i'm going with Ororo. There's a lot more that she can do to him than throw lightning bolts. Yes he's fast, but she's not too shabby in the flight department either. As much as I want to see him kick her goddess-complexed butt I have to say Ororo.
 
Cyclops Vs Cannonball: Interesting fight... I want Sammy to win, but I think Cyclop's experience will be the decisive factor in this fight.

Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers): Rogue, hands down. Why do you guys thing Ororo chose her to be on the X-Treme team? Because her mind is difficult for telepaths to control. Strength vs TK always win. Rogue needs just one good touch, and maybe not even that.

Nightcrawler Vs Havok: Kurt can always teleport his opponent's head off.

Iceman Vs Shadowcat: Kitty. Iceman can't stop her, she can just phase through everything he throws at her and then ninja-kick his ass. If Iceman was using his powers the way he should, he'd win, but he never does, so he looses.

Archangel Vs Storm: Are you bloody kidding me??? A mind controled Ororo defeated him in Black Sun 2, imagine what a fully in control Ororo would do to this oversized goose!!! He's a turkey waiting to be cooked for thanksgiving.


Bonus Fight:

Sunfire Vs Northstar: Arrogance meets arrogance! Northstar, for no good reason (I kinda see them making up after the fight, maybe fighing in bed...)
 
Chasers1984(2) said:
Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers)

This isn't really even fair... We have the most powerful telepath in the world (sans Phoenix) vs. miss emotional instability. There doesn't even need to be any kind of physical fight to this one Rogue will be crying in a corner slitting her wrists before the fight gets started.

Not saying who wins but you might want to ask yourself how many times this version of Rogue has been telepathically influenced. During this time period Rogue possessed a duplicate of Carol Danvers' psyche, giving her high resistance to certain telepathic abilities.

Also keep in mind that Jean is actually fighting two opponents. If Jean takes down Rogue with her mental abilities, she then has to fight the psyche of Carol Danvers.

Again, not saying whose going to win but this is not an easy fight.
 
HandOfFate said:
Not saying who wins but you might want to ask yourself how many times this version of Rogue has been telepathically influenced. During this time period Rogue possessed a duplicate of Carol Danvers' psyche, giving her high resistance to certain telepathic abilities.

Also keep in mind that Jean is actually fighting two opponents. If Jean takes down Rogue with her mental abilities, she then has to fight the psyche of Carol Danvers.

Again, not saying whose going to win but this is not an easy fight.

theres TP and TK though. And honestly I dont think Rogue can resist Xavier-level telepathy. Not when Apocalypse himself went down.
 
sebita said:
Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Rogue (Ms. Marvel powers): Rogue, hands down. Why do you guys thing Ororo chose her to be on the X-Treme team? Because her mind is difficult for telepaths to control. Strength vs TK always win. Rogue needs just one good touch, and maybe not even that.

Your Anti-Jean complex is showing....
 

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