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And Jean is the best telepath suited for shutting down Ororo's mind, because telepaths can do that, and Jean's the most powerful. The writer had to devise a way for Jean to be taken out of the situation before ending Storm with the batting of her mind's eye. :D

Well, there's that, and then there's Claremont only coming second to you when it comes to making Storm the end-all-be-all of the world.
 
You're mixing Oranges and apples dude, it's so not the same.

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So if Jean cant use her TP why cant she just use her TK and crush or demolecularize Ororo?
 
You're forcing me to divulge the info I gathered a while ago... I'm dying to post this, so here it is...

X-Factor 25

"Some... force... electro-magnetic, maybe... expelling us! Blocking my telekinetics!" Jean Grey

Uncanny 446

"Nail her with you EMP, 'Ro!" Wolverine

Jean's telekinesis can be disrupted by an electro-magnetic pulse. Guess who can make an EMP? Ororo can surround herself in an EM field, deflecting Jean's tk, her own indomitable will prevents Jean from taking over her mind (as seen in Uncanny 457, where Rachel couldn't do this, and X-Treme X-Men 9), so... what does she have against her? If Ororo truly used her powers to the limit in a fight, Ms Grey could do NOTHING to attack her, Ororo can easily cover herself from any and all attacks, can Jean do it? Jean might be able to anchor herself from a strong wind, but she cannot survive a full lightning attack. She can create a tk bubble to protect herself, but Ororo can create a EMP just before the lightning to block her tk. In short, given this new bit of evidence, Jean Grey cannot defeat Ororo Munroe. Thank you, good night.

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Because X-Factor 25 certainly isn't old, and the information therein certainly couldn't have been revised by newer uses of the character. :rolleyes:

And I wasn't doing anything with apples or oranges. I was half-mocking you for cheap thrills.
 
It doesn't matter how old it is. Jean was at the peak of here telekinetic power there, given that it was the only power she had. If electromagnetic pulses disrupted her telekinesis then, it will disrupt it now.

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Then she could just go Phoenix crazy and consume Ororo, like she did to 5 billion or so people.
 
Exploding Boy said:
Then she could just go Phoenix crazy and consume Ororo, like she did to 5 billion or so people.

No, because her Phoenix powers come from her telepathy and telekinesis, and X-Treme X-Men 9 says she can't enter Ororo's mind, and Ororo would just use an EMP to fry Phoenix's power! :rolleyes:
 
In this discussion, we're talking about Non Phoenix Jean. And if Jean did that, she'd kill everyone on Earth, and she wouldn't do that. Ororo could also go postal and kill the world like in Uncanny 459, but she won't.

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Storm and Jean aren't fighting, hola.

Lets start the next round, maybe one of us should put it up this time?
 
I just want to comment on Storm and TP. Well, not exactly comment as much as quoting someone else's post from another forum(I'll just past here the important part):

Another thing that went south with Ororo was her incredible will power. Ororo Munroe has one of the strongest (if not the strongest) will in the MU. It is indomitable. Chris Claremont went through great lengths in developing this in Storm. When she first started out, the White Queen, a psi of the highest order, put the whammy on her in Dark Phoenix. However, her willpower grew. By Uncanny 152, the had another fight. Emma Frost, the White Queen, tried to destroy her brain with a mindblast. Storm's will, though, had grown to strong and she shrugged it off and fried Emma for her troubles. In Uncanny 150, Xavier assaulted Magneto's mind. Magneto's will was second to none and he was able to stalemate Xavier. Now, by 1986, Storm's will was stated to be stronger than Magneto's. As a matter of fact, in X-Men: Heroes for Hope, there was a being of INCREDIBLE power called "The Entity". This creature had enough psi power to defeat Rachel while she had the PF plus the amplification of Cerebro behind her. He also defeated Wolverine and Magneto mentally. However, he failed against Storm. Her will was too strong for him to break. In Uncanny 277, Storm battled the Warskrull who had the combined powers of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle (the most powerful telepath in the Shi'ar). After a tough battle of the wills, he managed to subdue Storm, but said that given time, she would end up overcoming his mental powers. Fortunately, he was stopped right after.

Scott Lobdell stripped Storm of this. He had every telepath in the MU having their way with Storm's psyche.

Fortunately, CC came back to the X-Men fold and reestablished Storm's indomitable will and her immunity to the weather. He even gave her an added bonus to her resistance to telepaths. She has grown strong enough now in the electrical aspects of her abilites that she can literally fry a telepath, even one of Xavier's stature, out of her brain. Read "Schism" from X-Treme X-Men. She tempts a telepath to assault her mind. When the psi did it, she charged up with lightning and fried the telepath was fried out of the fight. In the X-Men 2 novelization, CC explained this aspect of her power better. He said that grabbing ahold of Storm's mind while she was charged up was like grabbing a bolt of lightning for a telepath. So she has this plus her indomitable will!

Here's a link to where the post is(it's the fourth) post from the bottom: http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1668.480

As for the TK, to me it comes down to the speed of light vs. the speed of thought.

I'm not saying that Jean can't beat her - I'm just saying that Storm shouldn't be considered dead so quickly.
 
Jean Grey (Non Phoenix Force) Vs Northstar

12-0

Storm Vs Havok

7-5

Cyclops Vs Shadowcat

10-2

Bonus Fight
Sage Vs Joseph

11-0, since 1 person did not vote on the fight.
 
RSS said:
I just want to comment on Storm and TP. Well, not exactly comment as much as quoting someone else's post from another forum(I'll just past here the important part):



Here's a link to where the post is(it's the fourth) post from the bottom: http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1668.480

As for the TK, to me it comes down to the speed of light vs. the speed of thought.

I'm not saying that Jean can't beat her - I'm just saying that Storm shouldn't be considered dead so quickly.

Uh no, it comes down to the speed of light+thought vs the speed of thought. Storm has to think to hit people with lightning.
 
FieryBalrog said:
Uh no, it comes down to the speed of light+thought vs the speed of thought. Storm has to think to hit people with lightning.

...And Jean doesn't? The attack just happens on it's own - without her 'thinking it up'? :confused:
 
RSS said:
...And Jean doesn't? The attack just happens on it's own - without her 'thinking it up'? :confused:

Thats what I said.
Jean thinks (speed of thought)- projects TK
Storm thinks (speed of thoguht)- projects lightning, which travels 1/3 speed of light I think (speed of lightning)
 
Indeed :D, I think if Storm fans werent so *****y than I would want to vote for her.

dude read my post in round 2, its about how i was right about Sam.
 
Exploding Boy said:
What about Jean vs. Joe and Kat vs Alex?

haha, I didnt even see this. But yea its good match because otherwise it would be boring.
 
I think what matters most is how the fight starts. If its like ok ready set GO! or if they just bump into each other and fight. And if sebita is right about how Storm can cancel out TK then its a matter of the secound the fight starts if Jean can crush her before she sets up her little EMP field.
 
RSS said:

eh... nahhhhh....

So, what about lightning and the speed of light? Why can we see lightning "strike" across the clouds, yet light itself moves so fast that we never see moving light beams? Why can we sometimes see sparks jump from object to object? This is because the growing motion of lightning and sparks is actually the growth of plasma filaments. It is not a movement of light. Lightning can "strike" slow or fast depending on how fast the plasma filament tips are extending themselves. In very large Tesla Coil systems, the giant sparks can lengthen VERY slowly, a human can sometimes outrun them.

http://www.amasci.com/tesla/spark.html


Actually, someone asked this question of our
web site a while ago and the answer is posted.

However, the speed is normally no more than half
the speed of light, usually substantially less.

According to the book, "It's Raining Frogs and Fishes,"
by Jerry Dennis, lightning bolts travel at speeds up
to 93,000 miles per second. That's pretty darn fast.
What we see as a single lightning flash is actually
several lightning bolts that follow each other so rapidly
that our eyes see only a single flash.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99096.htm
The process that creates a lightning stroke is
not light transfer, but is the transfer of
electrical energy (charge) through
the air. Much like an electrical cable, the air,
even though it is ionized, has some resistance
to charge transfer. The speed of the stroke is
impeded by having to transfer the energy from
molecule to molecule along the way, in the process
literally exploding the molecules into atoms.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00189.htm

So lightning isnt light, its the movement of electrical charge creating plasma, no more than half light-speed and usually quite a bit slower.
 
So, is, 93,000 MPS slower then the speed of thought? It says in your answer that it's so fast that our eyes see one flash, when it's actually several lightning bolts following each other.
 
RSS said:
So, is, 93,000 MPS slower then the speed of thought? It says in your answer that it's so fast that our eyes see one flash, when it's actually several lightning bolts following each other.

Light is 186,000 MPS.

And again: Storm has to think to create her lightning, just as Jean has to think to project telekinesis. Speed of thought cancels out on both sides.
 

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