Apocalypse X-men Movie Continuity Explained!

[Flint Marko]

Can anyone explain to me how Logan lost his memory in what we can reasonably infer to be the late 70's, but was able to remember saving the Japanese guy in WWII in The Wolverine?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Because th plot required it but we can assume the events were bringing back forgotten memories

 

[dax]

DOFP had very little to no connection to x-men: origins, apart from one flash back shot of his bone claws being broken by victor so yeah FC was just as connected as DOFP was with picking what to keep and want to change

There's the "Jimmy" name that girl used to call Wolverine. Also, certain parts of the weapon X footage are from Origins like the needles drilling into his face, the breathing goggles in his mouth, and Wolverine on the verge of bursting out of the tank before we cut to Jean saying hi to him.

X1 doesn't give off any idea they knew each other unless you read into little things which go nowhere

The whole "Wolverine having amnesia" part might have something to do with him not knowing Sabertooth. However, there are hints that Sabertooth does know Wolverine such as his weird attachment to Wolverine's dog tags.

Can anyone explain to me how Logan lost his memory in what we can reasonably infer to be the late 70's, but was able to remember saving the Japanese guy in WWII in The Wolverine?

He lost his memories in the mid-80's to be exact.

Also, he remembered the same way he remembered both Stryker and the weapon X experiment in X2. He returned to the place he had been to before and that is what re-triggered his memories. He also remembered Kayla after he was taken down by ninjas and by DOFP, Wolverine remembered all of the wars he fought in.

 

[night0205]

Here is how I reason out wolverine and creed, given the transformation creed went through between the two movies. After origins, creed continued to accept the animalistic side and over the next decade and a half, evolved into a more animalistic mutant. These evolutions of mutant powers becoming more extreme is not unheard of in the x-men universe. He got bigger, more hairy, and less talkative. Who knows where his mind is socially, it would seem not in a good place. He behaves less and less like a human and more and more like the animal he is evolving into.
However, even though we know wolverine has no clue who creed is, nor his connection to him, creed knows wolverine. Creed specifically steals wolverine's dog tags, because that is their connection. Creed even wears them around his neck, that is pretty personal. Wolverine steals them back and creed takes a swim. That is that, but their connection was explained in origins. It was one of the biggest points to the movie.
Oh yes, in The Wolverine, Logan had started to remember some of his past with professor x's help. We don't know to what extend, but in x3 wolverine is more "tame" and at peace about who he is. So before professor X bites it, he helped Logan with his mind. This also seems to be what is referred to in DOFP, when professor X tells Logan to do for him what he once did for Logan. The turmoil in The Wolverine was connected mainly to the end of x3 where Logan kills Jean. Which is what Logan accepts by the end of The Wolverine.

 

[Ryan1210]

I've read somewhere that after Orgins, Creed himself became the subject for the Weapon X program, which led to his memory lost (like Logan in X1). That's why they didn't remember each other.

 

[EnDz0n3]

In the original script for X-men, it is said Adamantium is what powered Magneto's mutant-turning machine. It is Wolverine that is kidnapped and is the one that is used by Magneto at Liberty Island.

Hence why Sabretooth stole the dogtags. They were supposedly made out of Adamantium and is used in the beginning of the movie to test the machine.

Apparently the higher ups and/or Bryan Singer thought having your male main character being trapped in the machine in the third act of your big summer movie felt anti-climactic and so Rogue became the damsel in distress.

But having Sabretooth still steal the dogtags goes perfectly with the narrative that there's untold history between the two characters.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Mutants were being accepted back into government. Beast was freaking Secretary of State. The School for the Gifted continued to harbor generations of young mutants learning to hone their powers in a safe and effective manner. None of this remotely leads to the type of future we saw in DoFP.

Sentinels are unleashed in 2010 and x-men are dissolved because X-mansion is under control

Well as far as apocalypse leading into X1 let me say this.

X1 retconned
2005's new timeline is not the same that we saw in X1

 

[-JKR-]

I think people gotta let these continuity issues go. Even though First Class wasn't really a reboot, it still kinda hit the refresh button. And Days of Future Past further enforced that. Whatever has come before doesn't really add up. The filmmakers largely ignore the first Wolverine movie, anyway. And both the studio and the franchise have changed a lot since they made that one.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think Bryan singer of all people is the one who may be holding on to certain original timeline elements even though they wouldn't connect with the new timeline well anyway but when you listen to him and kinberg its almost like they want the allusion that the OT events still have a place in the new timeline

some exceptions would be mcavoy saying xavier is changed up after this movie different to how he was in the OT and chances are patrick will be that new version of xavier since even he said xavier was apparently abit different now

 

[-JKR-]

What I've been hearing mostly is that Days of Future Past gave them the chance to losen up continuity-wise, and to pick those elements they want to hold onto, and ignore others. And that's pretty much what they're doing.

 

[dax]

I think people gotta let these continuity issues go. Even though First Class wasn't really a reboot, it still kinda hit the refresh button. And Days of Future Past further enforced that. Whatever has come before doesn't really add up. The filmmakers largely ignore the first Wolverine movie, anyway. And both the studio and the franchise have changed a lot since they made that one.

The filmmakers didn't ignore Origins at all. I already brought up Wolverine shouting Kayla's name in the Wolverine as well as the "Jimmy" name, the flashbacks, and the war montage reference in DOFP. Parts of Origins: Wolverine still exists in the timeline, although things do get confusing when it stops at the Vietnam war.

 

[-JKR-]

The filmmakers didn't ignore Origins at all. I already brought up Wolverine shouting Kayla's name in the Wolverine as well as the "Jimmy" name, the flashbacks, and the war montage reference in DOFP. Parts of Origins: Wolverine still exists in the timeline, although things do get confusing when it stops at the Vietnam war.

If you had read my post with a little more attention, you would've noticed that I said that they largely ignore it. Which means they'll bring up stuff that comes handy, while ignoring other elements they don't want to address continuity-wise. It's that easy. Not confusing at all. It's pretty much a new continuity, with some references and similarities to the older movies possibly popping up.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If you had read my post with a little more attention, you would've noticed that I said that they largely ignore it. Which means they'll bring up stuff that comes handy, while ignoring other elements they don't want to address continuity-wise. It's that easy. Not confusing at all. It's pretty much a new continuity, with some references and similarities to the older movies possibly popping up.

they cherrypicked what to honor from origins.Bryan singer used bone claws which was established in origins and continued in the wolverine.he used some weapon x shots to add to his from X2.wolverine was called jimmy just like in origins.Stryker was major just like in begining of origins and they used shot of sabretooth breaking bone claws.

however they totally ignored wolverine being in vietnam and sabretooth.Singer wanted Josh Helman to be seen as young Brain Cox and ignored danny huston's stryker.

 

[dax]

they cherrypicked what to honor from origins.Bryan singer used bone claws which was established in origins and continued in the wolverine.he used some weapon x shots to add to his from X2.wolverine was called jimmy just like in origins.Stryker was major just like in begining of origins and they used shot of sabretooth breaking bone claws.

however they totally ignored wolverine being in vietnam and sabretooth.Singer wanted Josh Helman to be seen as young Brain Cox and ignored danny huston's stryker.

I wouldn't say that Wolverine's service in the Vietnam war was totally ignored. It lasted from 1955 to 1975 so he could still fight in the war, but not after 1973 in light of the timeline change in DOFP. Also, Josh Helman bears a striking resemblance to Danny Huston so in a way, Huston isn't completely ignored either.

 

[X-Maniac]

I wouldn't say that Wolverine's service in the Vietnam war was totally ignored. It lasted from 1955 to 1975 so he could still fight in the war, but not after 1973 in light of the timeline change in DOFP. Also, Josh Helman bears a striking resemblance to Danny Huston so in a way, Huston isn't completely ignored either.

I think this is another instance where the past seems to be different already, prior to the timetravel alterations.

In Origins, Stryker recruited Wolverine and Sabretooth in Vietnam, creating Team X. That was sometime near the end of the Vietnam War.

In the past section of DoFP, Stryker was shipping mutants home from Vietnam for Trask's experiments, while Wolverine was in New York, and that was in 1973.

One explanation is that Wolverine had been intending to return to Vietnam (where he would find Sabretooth again and be recruited into Team X). But because of the time travel, Wolverine never ended up going back there. At least, that's what someone has theorised.

 

[night0205]

Just because a soldier is not presently in Vietnam at any given point does not mean they were not involved in the war. Wolverine in the past could of been on leave. But Stryker experimenting on mutants is actually very consistent between DOFP and Origins. I certainly don't see contradiction or "ignoring" of Origins. I was actually extremely surprised with DOFP by not only helping explain continuity but also using different elements from each movie. Very few sequels can get a franchise back on track and I think that is what DOFP did. Being a person who is bugged by contradiction in a franchise, X-men flows much better as a saga now, and with how I choose to view FC, it flows very well.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I wouldn't say that Wolverine's service in the Vietnam war was totally ignored. It lasted from 1955 to 1975 so he could still fight in the war, but not after 1973 in light of the timeline change in DOFP. Also, Josh Helman bears a striking resemblance to Danny Huston so in a way, Huston isn't completely ignored either.

How i see it is that helman looks abit young to be danny hustons stryker since wasn't the scene of stryker recruiting logan and victor also in the 70s? wasn't it 1976 or something i dunno but either way helman would have to believably become huston in a couple of years

 

[GuestStar2004]

Also does toad count as a continuity error? i mean he looks nothing like X1 toad and he would be around 50 or 60 in X1 depending on how old he was in vietnam

 

[BoredGuy]

Simon Kinberg working on his X-film timeline:

 

[-JKR-]

Simon Kinberg working on his X-film timeline:

He actually does.
And they've made it pretty clear that Days of Future Past was pretty much their starting point to ignoring whatever they want from the previous films, while picking elements that they want to address in future ones. It's really that easy.

 

[BoredGuy]

shouldn't have deadpool as your avy if ya can't take a joke

 

[-JKR-]

shouldn't have deadpool as your avy if ya can't take a joke

I liked the meme. But that idea has been seriously thrown around so often that jokes often seems like they're trying too hard, and the people making them come across as thinking they're particularly smart.

 

[BoredGuy]

despite the smiley face, I'm sensing increased levels of pissy-ness in that comment

w/e, it was a dumb joke, ignore it if you're so above it

 

[-JKR-]

despite the smiley face, I'm sensing increased levels of pissy-ness in that comment

w/e, it was a dumb joke, ignore it if you're so above it

I got that it was just a joke. Wasn't addressing you with my comment.

 

[night0205]

Josh Helman and Danny Huston are just one example of many characters that are different ages, and even a little different look, from one timeline to the next. Pretty much all of the younger characters present this in some way, even though there isn't much to be done about it with a 16 year franchise. But angel is an example of how drastic the change can be. Angel is not only got a drastically different birthday, but he also looks different. Professor X and Magneto are also characters that we have seen in the 80s and they don't look like James and Michael. In reality, recasts are just part of it, with long franchises.