X-Men - Part 1

[bored]

To avoid killing off anyone important right now, they will revive Jean Grey early in the arc, then have her die again at the end.

 

[Raiden]

To avoid killing off anyone important right now, they will revive Jean Grey early in the arc, then have her die again at the end.

I'm a huge fan of Jean Grey, and have been ever since I started reading the original X-Factor back in '88. It pisses me to no end how Marvel keeps killing her off, just because she has the alias of "Phoenix". But it's like bad habit, their editors just keep repeating it assuming that's what she is supposed to be, which is stay dead and only return every once in awhile.

 

[Manic]

People keep using phrases like "they keep killing Jean" or "all Jean ever does is die." This is like the second time she's died. She killed herself at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga, and then Xorn killed her again 20 years later. That's it. I think Professor X has died more than her.

 

[JewishHobbit]

She kinda sorta died in Uncanny 281 but survived by shunting her mind into Emma Frost (if I'm remembering that correctly).

 

[Primal Slayer]

I hope they revive Jean sometime soon and keep her around for a very long time.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Same here. I just wish they'd stop killing people off. Seriously, bring back Banshee, Jean, and Kurt and just leave them be. Tell good stories without cannon fodder. It can't be that hard.

 

[roach]

The reason why Jean isnt back is because they dont know what to do with her other than Phoenix

 

[Havok83]

The reason she isnt back is bc Quesada doesnt want her around and he is ultimately in control of everything; plain and simple. He has gone on record as being a big proponent of the original Phoenix storyline and doesnt feel she should have ever been brought back. Hence she's gone.

 

[Raiden]

The reason why Jean isnt back is because they dont know what to do with her other than Phoenix

Jean was perfectly fine back when she returned for the first time in X-Factor and didn't have the Phoenix powers. They can do it but somehow refused to do so.

 

[Raiden]

The reason she isnt back is bc Quesada doesnt want her around and he is ultimately in control of everything; plain and simple. He has gone on record as being a big proponent of the original Phoenix storyline and doesnt feel she should have ever been brought back. Hence she's gone.

Quesada is an idiot then.

 

[Havok83]

People keep using phrases like "they keep killing Jean" or "all Jean ever does is die." This is like the second time she's died. She killed herself at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga, and then Xorn killed her again 20 years later. That's it. I think Professor X has died more than her.

It doesnt help that they keep killing her off in other forms of media, and that helps to overxagerate the dead image that people have of her

She kinda sorta died in Uncanny 281 but survived by shunting her mind into Emma Frost (if I'm remembering that correctly).

That was a cliffhanger ending for shock value. She was only assumed to be dead bc there was no brain activity. Her body was still alive. Jean transfered herself back when it was all done. No real death here.

 

[Random]

The problem I have with the X-Men is at the end of the day each and everyone of them are nothing more than redundant soldiers. They are born mutants; they are recruited into the X-Men; and they get fight however the X-Men are fighting this week.

Manic made fun of me for saying this before but Jean Grey has three plots 1. She is Phoenix 2. She is in a love triangle 3. She is dead. And the creators don't deviate from those three plots even though they are free to do so.

Cyclops fall into the same trap. He has two things going on and I cant even them plots. 1. He is the X-Men leader 2. He has a girlfriend. Just about any story involving Cyclops is about the problems with his girlfriend and problems he is having with his leadership.

The plot to "Wolverine and the X-men" was that due to Cyclops girlfriend problems and leadership problems Wolverine had to lead the X-Men instead of him. They based a whole freaking cartoon around that. And now his leadership problems is about to cause "Schism"

 

[kguillou]

Well thats actually one of the many reasons Whedon's run is so celebrated. Whedon finally took Cyclops and made him into a stern, fully confident, no-nonsense leader. His relationship with Emma also nurtured it since Emma is much more hard edged than Jean was.

I say keep Jean dead. Cyclops' relationship with Emma is infinitely more interesting than convoluted relationship with Jean.

 

[kguillou]

double post.

 

[roach]

it falls back to something Claremont has always said....the X-men at issue 200 should not look the same as the team at 300. On his legendary first run his xmen were always changing...he started with the All-New All Diff team...Jean became Phoenix and dies, Kitty joins, Scott leaves, Storm takes over, Rogue joins, Kurt, Kitty and Pete leave...Dazzler, Psylocke, Longshot and Havok join. Pete comes back. Longshot leaves...the team falls apart and comes together as Storm, Wolverine, Jubilee, Banshee, Forge, Gambit and Psylocke...then that led into the blue and gold teams

 

[Havok83]

Well thats actually one of the many reasons Whedon's run is so celebrated. Whedon finally took Cyclops and made him into a stern, fully confident, no-nonsense leader. His relationship with Emma also nurtured it since Emma is much more hard edged than Jean was.

I say keep Jean dead. Cyclops' relationship with Emma is infinitely more interesting than convoluted relationship with Jean.

I dont see why Jean being alive automatically has to have anything to do with Scott and Emma. You know she could come back, having moved on. With a clear decisive split between the X-men, she doesnt even have to be anywhere near Scott

 

[JewishHobbit]

Sure she does... to comfort him when Emma's slaughtered like a pig... as it should be

 

[Havok83]

Scott should be alone. Ever since he hooked up with Jean, he's never been single for more than a few issues. There always seems to be another women waiting to pick up the pieces almost immediately when the last relationship ends (sometimes before)

 

[JewishHobbit]

Okay, that's fine... but can Emma still be slaughtered like a pig, as is should be?

 

[Havok83]

Okay, that's fine... but can Emma still be slaughtered like a pig, as is should be?

Haha, I really have no opinion either way, so sure if it makes you happy

 

[Manic]

But I like Emma, especially when she's with Scott.

 

[chamber-music]

Same here. I just wish they'd stop killing people off. Seriously, bring back Banshee, Jean, and Kurt and just leave them be. Tell good stories without cannon fodder. It can't be that hard.

I agree I think its a sign of a poor writer if all he can come up with to create drama is to kill off some characters. It gets old fast.

The problem I have with the X-Men is at the end of the day each and everyone of them are nothing more than redundant soldiers. They are born mutants; they are recruited into the X-Men; and they get fight however the X-Men are fighting this week.



Cyclops fall into the same trap. He has two things going on and I cant even them plots. 1. He is the X-Men leader 2. He has a girlfriend. Just about any story involving Cyclops is about the problems with his girlfriend and problems he is having with his leadership.

The plot to "Wolverine and the X-men" was that due to Cyclops girlfriend problems and leadership problems Wolverine had to lead the X-Men instead of him. They based a whole freaking cartoon around that. And now his leadership problems is about to cause "Schism"

Back in the day all Cyclops did was brood about everything (being leader, Jean, the professor). I think they should stop down playing the relationships with his family.

You could get some good storylines out of Cykes relationship to Havok, Rachel, Nate Grey, his feelings about Cable, Vulcan and his father but writers seem to constantly ignore that stuff. The family dynamic is forgotten.

 

[roach]

I think the issue isnt that Emma and Scott are better than Jean and Scott...its the writers have put more effort into writing Emma/Scott

 

[kguillou]

I dont see why Jean being alive automatically has to have anything to do with Scott and Emma. You know she could come back, having moved on. With a clear decisive split between the X-men, she doesnt even have to be anywhere near Scott

True but let's be realistic here, if they resurrect Jean and attempt to have her move on...there will always be that elephant in the room with her and Scott..and wolverine to an extent. Not to mention you just KNOW the fanboys are going to be constantly complaining about Jean and Scott not being together.

 

[roach]

True but let's be realistic here, if they resurrect Jean and attempt to have her move on...there will always be that elephant in the room with her and Scott..and wolverine to an extent. Not to mention you just KNOW the fanboys are going to be complaining about Jean and Scott not together.

not really...it will be forgotten...like alot of the elephants in the room are forgotten