X-Men - Part 2

[runawayboulder]

Yeah, if he takes the leash off first then let's her out of her cage.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

X-Factor could do with losing Layla and Longshot.

I miss Cannonball, Husk, Chamber, Pixie, Angel and Legion. Wish they cancelled Generation Hope and made a squad of those characters

oh well atleasr Dazzler didn't make the cut

I love me some Husk. Pixie annoys me to no end

 

[Manic]

I like Pixie, but I like Armor more and I wish she'd get more attention than the little Welsh fairy.

 

[Doomed_hero]

intrested to see the dynamic on how havok goes against Scott. I mean we have seen them disagree in the past, but this split is suppose to be pretty severe and perminent.(as perminent as you can get in comics anyways.

 

[venom892]

Havok and Cyclops have never seemed very close.I don't think Cyke would be all that affected.Hell I think He'll be more effected by Beast and Iceman siding with Wolverine.

 

[Spider-Nerd]

Havok and Cyclops have never seemed very close.I don't think Cyke would be all that affected.Hell I think He'll be more effected by Beast and Iceman siding with Wolverine.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Hank siding with Logan would def. upset Scott.

 

[Manic]

If there's one thing that's remained mostly consistent with Scott over the years, it's that he has never been particularly close to his relatives. Sure we can excuse the distance with Nathan, Nate, and Rachel, but it's damn near as bad with Alex.

 

[Panthro]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Hank siding with Logan would def. upset Scott.

Well that's what happens when you let your friends get tortured by the Dark Avengers.

I always wondered why they never did much with Cycke and Havok being brothers. Guess that's just part of the X-cast being so damn big.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, what the f***? Hank joins Wolverine's team of X-Men? Not to mention all of X-Factor? F*** that noise.

 

[Anubis]

Well, in terms of philosophy, Wolverine is in the right, so I can see why he'd join him over Cyke.

 

[Panthro]

Well, in terms of philosophy, Wolverine is in the right, so I can see why he'd join him over Cyke.

Of course Wolverine's right. He's always right. His cash ****e status demands that he be right.

 

[venom892]

So I just caught up with Both Wolverine and UXF.Holy crap UXF is definitely my favorite book right now and What Aaron did to Wolverine is downright cruel.It'll be interesting to see where he takes it from here.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, in terms of philosophy, Wolverine is in the right, so I can see why he'd join him over Cyke.

What is the actual issue at the center of Schism? I have a hard time believing Wolverine could be right about anything that doesn't involve beer or cutting people up.

 

[Manic]

I haven't been reading Schism, but from what I heard, Wolverine doesn't want the teenage members of the X-Men to ever kill anyone, and Cyclops once told a teenager to use her own judgement in stopping a crisis and she chose to kill and Cyclops didn't have a problem with it.

Mr. Stabby McKillKill says not to kill
Generalisimo McKillKill says to kill

Yep. Marvel picked these two characters to have the dispute over killing in combat.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah....quite a logic dump.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I haven't been reading Schism, but from what I heard, Wolverine doesn't want the teenage members of the X-Men to ever kill anyone, and Cyclops once told a teenager to use her own judgement in stopping a crisis and she chose to kill and Cyclops didn't have a problem with it.

Mr. Stabby McKillKill says not to kill
Generalisimo McKillKill says to kill

Yep. Marvel picked these two characters to have the dispute over killing in combat.

I... bwuh... well, frankly, I'm just really glad I'm not reading Schism now, more than anything else...

 

[runawayboulder]

I haven't been reading Schism, but from what I heard, Wolverine doesn't want the teenage members of the X-Men to ever kill anyone, and Cyclops once told a teenager to use her own judgement in stopping a crisis and she chose to kill and Cyclops didn't have a problem with it.

Mr. Stabby McKillKill says not to kill
Generalisimo McKillKill says to kill

Yep. Marvel picked these two characters to have the dispute over killing in combat.

Well, to be fair it was heavy implied that Logan really regretted using X-23 in X-Force and she was the lone teenage member. He decked Scott in the 1st issue of X-force's previous vol after finding out that Scott recruited her without running it by him first.

 

[Kevin]

Well, to be fair it was heavy implied that Logan really regretted using X-23 in X-Force and she was the lone teenage member. He decked Scott in the 1st issue of X-force's previous vol after finding out that Scott recruited her without running it by him first.

josh foley.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, to be fair it was heavy implied that Logan really regretted using X-23 in X-Force and she was the lone teenage member. He decked Scott in the 1st issue of X-force's previous vol after finding out that Scott recruited her without running it by him first.

Yes, it's very nice that Wolverine's arbitrarily drawn this line in the sand that killing is bad when teenagers do it. After training Kitty to be a ninja. And mentoring plenty of other teenagers while murdering everything in sight himself. He is the very picture of principle.

 

[Havok83]

I... bwuh... well, frankly, I'm just really glad I'm not reading Schism now, more than anything else...

thats too bad. Its actually very well written and quite an enjoyable read

 

[roach]

Yes, it's very nice that Wolverine's arbitrarily drawn this line in the sand that killing is bad when teenagers do it. After training Kitty to be a ninja. And mentoring plenty of other teenagers while murdering everything in sight himself. He is the very picture of principle.

well to be fair he did stab Rachel when she tried to kill Selene

 

[chamber-music]

Scott has Illyana, the most powerful mutant on either side. No one on Wolverine's side really stands much of a chance against her. She always holds back and never goes to her full potential. She could take them out easily if she wanted to

When Nate Grey had his full powers he would of wiped the floor with everyone

If there's one thing that's remained mostly consistent with Scott over the years, it's that he has never been particularly close to his relatives. Sure we can excuse the distance with Nathan, Nate, and Rachel, but it's damn near as bad with Alex.

I would like to see Scott have a much closer relationship with Alex and Nathan.

Alex in particular.

I haven't been reading Schism, but from what I heard, Wolverine doesn't want the teenage members of the X-Men to ever kill anyone, and Cyclops once told a teenager to use her own judgement in stopping a crisis and she chose to kill and Cyclops didn't have a problem with it.

Mr. Stabby McKillKill says not to kill
Generalisimo McKillKill says to kill

Yep. Marvel picked these two characters to have the dispute over killing in combat.

It amusing because in issue two Wolverine threatened to murder Quentin Quire and Cyclops protected him and then next issue Wolverine was all angry with Scott because he said to Idie to take down the bad guys if she could but Wolverine was against putting her in danger despite the fact the X-Men have always had kid teams and members regularly putting themselves in danger.

 

[Manic]

Logan had a troubled past and fought in multiple wars and all, but I think he doesn't see the world as harshly as Scott does. Scott has had the fate of the entire mutant race resting on his shoulders since he was a kid. Charles put the X-Men together to save an entire species from itself and its enemies, and then he put Scott in charge of the X-Men. Scott then proceeded to spend the rest of his youth watching his friends get killed while trying to adhere to a non-lethal code of conduct.

So yeah, after watching his race get nearly wiped out several times in a short period, Scott clearly said "f*** it" and threw the non-killing stuff out the door. And because Scott and his friends have been doing this since they were kids, Scott likely doesn't see the difference between an old soldier like Logan and a girl who will either die or eventually grow into an old soldier herself like Idie.

I'm not saying he's right or I support the X-Men going around assassinating their enemies (I believe that superheroes should hold a more pragmatic view to lethal force, not unlike a police force who kill as a last resort and have their actions checked on), but I can see where Scott is coming from.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

thats too bad. Its actually very well written and quite an enjoyable read

Agreed, been enjoying every second of it

 

[Spider-Nerd]

Yes, it's very nice that Wolverine's arbitrarily drawn this line in the sand that killing is bad when teenagers do it. After training Kitty to be a ninja. And mentoring plenty of other teenagers while murdering everything in sight himself. He is the very picture of principle.

We still have no idea what the hell Scott and Logan are fighting about. The vibe I'm getting is the kids killing thing is just a small part of it. And if that's really what it is, it's entirely stupid. I completely agree that Logan's newfound anti-murder stance is pretty inconsistent. Especially when you take into account that since Scott's gone all military man Logan's been the first one to jump to his defense and say, "you gotta do what you gotta do".