X-Men - Part 3

[TheCorpulent1]

Spoiler

Apparently the future is still a mess and he's told by Blaquesmith its c Hope wasnt around to save it. He demands to know the people responsible for what happeend to Hope and he's told its the Avengers. He then vows to take them all out and in the present day, he proceeds to attempt just that. The issue ends with him about to shoot Captain America in the head

Loeb is ruining my 2nd favorite character. I hope he gets out of this okay but when they pulled this sh-t with Bishop, well that did damage to him that they've yet to fix

On a side note, I just read Uncanny X-force and I LOVED the conclusion to the Dark Angel saga. I love how Remender writes Betsy and Warren

That's gotta be some of the worst reasoning I've ever heard.

Spoiler

Does he at least ask Blaquesmith to clarify? Like, how are the Avengers responsible for the future being f***ed up? Is killing them actually going to help? Anything?

 

[Havok83]

That's gotta be some of the worst reasoning I've ever heard.

Spoiler

Does he at least ask Blaquesmith to clarify? Like, how are the Avengers responsible for the future being f***ed up? Is killing them actually going to help? Anything?

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Nope! He takes his word for it. Its awfully convenient that he is sent through the timestream and catches up with his old friend. For all he knows it might not even be real Blaquesmith. Im thinking Cable may have just signed Hope's death warrant bc before he started attacking the Avengers, they had no reason to even give her a second thought
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[Specter313]

Bendis is no longer writing?

He's done at some point next year.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Jason Aaron would be a good fit for New Avengers. Mark Waid should still take over the main Avengers title

I would poop my pants at the sheer, off-the-charts awesome of that happening. Waid on Avengers, I mean. Aaron I could take or leave, since the New Avengers roster still sucks.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I would poop my pants at the sheer, off-the-charts awesome of that happening. Waid on Avengers, I mean. Aaron I could take or leave, since the New Avengers roster still sucks.

Do you think that the rosters will remain the same once the new writers take over?

When Slott and Gage took over Mighty Avengers from Bendis they radically changed the book from the government established team consisting of Iron Man, Ares, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman, Black Widow, Wasp, Wonder Man, and the Sentry to the anti-Osborn, yet globally recognized team consisting of Hank Pym, Jocasta, Hercules, Amadeus Cho, Vision II, Stature, Quicksilver, and U.S. Agent.

With Rick Remender taking over Secret Avengers from Warren Ellis (who really feels like a fill in for Ed Brubaker), he's getting rid of Captain America, Moon Knight, and War Machine and replacing them with Venom, Captain Britain, Hank Pym, and Hawkeye.

No matter who writes either book, I'm expecting roster changes for both Avengers titles. Without Bendis, do you really see a future for characters like Daisy Johnson, Spider-Woman, and Noh-Varr on the Avengers?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I kind of like Daisy as the new head of SHIELD, to be honest. Nice departure to give Fury a rest for a while. Not as an Avenger, though.

Anyway, without Bendis, I question whether New Avengers really needs to exist in the first place. Their whole identity is basically "Bendis' pet characters as Avengers" at this point. Just cancel it, fold the audience back into Avengers, and make Avengers actually good again. They've already taken the first step by bringing the original Vision back...

 

[JewishHobbit]

Honestly, if they got rid of New Avengers and its characters, I'm not bothering with Avengers proper. The main Avengers do next to nothing for me. Maybe that's why I like Bendis' run so much. He focuses on the characters I actually give a lick about. A team with Spider-Man, Thing, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist just blows me away. Wong, Squirrel Girl, and Mockingbird backing them up is just icing on the cake! I'm annoyed at the oversaturation of Wolverine as anyone but I even like him on this team.

 

[runawayboulder]

What the hell are you? How are you the same guy that loves Uncanny X-Force?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Honestly, if they got rid of New Avengers and its characters, I'm not bothering with Avengers proper. The main Avengers do next to nothing for me. Maybe that's why I like Bendis' run so much. He focuses on the characters I actually give a lick about. A team with Spider-Man, Thing, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist just blows me away. Wong, Squirrel Girl, and Mockingbird backing them up is just icing on the cake! I'm annoyed at the oversaturation of Wolverine as anyone but I even like him on this team.

Personally I think it would be best to have the two titles merge. There really is no reason for two core Avengers titles once Bendis is gone and I think an Avengers roster that is sort of a mix between the two books would be more interesting.

 

[chamber-music]

This is why I like Rick

I wanted this threat to build to a point where there was no clean resolution at the end. I wanted it to feel like this was a threat that was well beyond our characters. You have to feel that the heroes are out of their elements and in over their heads in order to really build tension.

It was important to me that these villains be built up in a way that they're such a threat that our characters barely manage to make their way through them. You want to see the heroes succeed, but in some cases, they didn't make their way through all the villains. In some cases, they just got really lucky.

His a good storyteller and understands the elements of what makes a good story.

 

[Havok83]

I thought Apocalypse (Warren) was the best villian of the year. Remender did a great job of building him up as a threat

 

[JewishHobbit]

What the hell are you? How are you the same guy that loves Uncanny X-Force?

There's a link here. Notice both of the teams I like are full of underdogs. The Avengers that I like are the street leveled people. The Uncanny X-Force team has characters like Fantomex and Deadpool. Psylocke is a lesser X-Man and there's freakin' Deathlok. Wolverine's a big name but his powerset is light and the same with Warren.

Basically, I like it when teams are out of their element. The Avengers are superpowered big names and I find that less appealing. I like the little guy.

Personally I think it would be best to have the two titles merge. There really is no reason for two core Avengers titles once Bendis is gone and I think an Avengers roster that is sort of a mix between the two books would be more interesting.

And I might be okay with that. I loved it when Bendis first had that feel with Cage and Spider-Man mixed in with Cap and Iron Man. That was a good feel and if the next writer mixes it, depending on who falls on the team, I'd be more inclined to continue with it. If they drop all the lesser guys, or at least the ones I care most about, then I'll likely drop it all.

I'm almost assured to continue reading if Iron Fist, Spider-Man, and Luke stay on the team. I love those three. Thing is also cool but I don't see him staying, same with Daredevil.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I actually didn't realize until that interview with Remender that Deathlok isn't the same as the 90's Deathlok. I didn't read that Wolverine arc that introduced him and the fact that Remender felt it necessary to point out that his identity is a mystery has me intrigued. Suddenly Deathlok just went from a cool secondary character to a point of interest for me.

 

[chamber-music]

There's a link here. Notice both of the teams I like are full of underdogs. The Avengers that I like are the street leveled people. The Uncanny X-Force team has characters like Fantomex and Deadpool. Psylocke is a lesser X-Man and there's freakin' Deathlok. Wolverine's a big name but his powerset is light and the same with Warren.

Basically, I like it when teams are out of their element. The Avengers are superpowered big names and I find that less appealing. I like the little guy.

I feel the same way.

I like big heavy hitter teams like Avengers, Stormwatch, Authority and Justice League when they are facing big global world ending threats best.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I feel the same way.

I like big heavy hitter teams like Avengers, Stormwatch, Authority and Justice League when they are facing big global world ending threats best.

I can agree with that but it has to feel big and dire, like not everyone will walk away. Sadly, with the main Avengers title it seldom feels that way and even with a different writer I don't see it feeling that way because you can't kill off the big names and even if they do who cares... they'll come back. I'm kinda jaded like that. With the smaller names there's a real chance of them staying dead forever or at least for an extended period of time. Therefor, the danger is greater.

Honestly, it's going to have greater impact for me if Fantomex or Luke Cage are killed if than if Wolverine or Iron Man are killed off... because their deaths might stick. Therefor there's more anticipation to the story and I like it better.

 

[Havok83]

There's a link here. Notice both of the teams I like are full of underdogs. The Avengers that I like are the street leveled people. The Uncanny X-Force team has characters like Fantomex and Deadpool. Psylocke is a lesser X-Man and there's freakin' Deathlok. Wolverine's a big name but his powerset is light and the same with Warren.

I wouldnt call Psylocke a lesser X-man. As far as the X-franchise goes, she's one of their A-listers. She was arguably the top female of 2010 and in 2011 continued to get utilized alot.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I wouldnt call Psylocke a lesser X-man. As far as the X-franchise goes, she's one of their A-listers. She was arguably the top female of 2010 and in 2011 continued to get utilized alot.

Oh I don't know about that. I always felt that she was the "other" X-Woman behind Jean, Storm, Emma, Kitty, Rogue, etc. She's just been too hit and miss since her time in the 90's. She was awesome with Claremont and Lobdell but once Sabretooth gutted her she's kinda grown obscure. She vanished and just appeared here and there after that until she fully returned with Claremont in Revolution or whatever that launch was called. She was still fairly small beans at that point and left to be a part of X-Treme X-Men and was awesome for all of 2 issues I think until she died. Then she was forgotten about until Fraction brought her back and she's just kinda been background ninja chick (drawn seductively by Greg Land) ever since.

Remender's really made her work but before that I'd say she was an X-Man on her way out. Saying she's the top female of 2010 surprises me, as I'd reluctantly give that to Emma Frost. Psylocke wouldn't even make top 5 for me prior to Remender and if we're talking entire Marvel Universe then she'd likely not even make top 20.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Hmm, giving it some thought I'd rank X-Woman of 2010/11 as:

1) Emma Frost (and I hate that)
2) Hope Summers
3) Rogue
4) Psylocke
5) Illyana Rasputin
6) Jubilee
7) Siryn/Banshee
8) Kitty Pryde
9) Danielle Moonstar
10) Pixie

So maybe I'm wrong, Psylocke would make top 5. But that's only due to Remender. If Remender hadn't made her a name again she'd probably fall to around 7 or 8. Surprisingly, I honestly don't think Storm should make that list based on how little she's been used of late.

Idie also just barely misses that list.

 

[chamber-music]

I see Psylocke as a B-Lister. Her peak popularity was the 90s. She is behind Jean Grey, Storm, Emma Frost, Kitty Pryde,Mystique and Rogue in tems of female X-Men popularity these days. Shes popular but not as big as other female X-Men I mentioned.

I think the whole killing off characters is rather played out there are so many ways to cause a character harm or damage instead of just killing them or a relative/lover.

Having characters lose their job, their home, damage their reptutation, became ,entally unstable, contract an illness, gain an addiction, go through divorce, lose a limb ect.

Hell Daredevil, John Constantine as well as others have gone through most of those and its produced plenty of great stories.

 

[Anubis]

Problem is the only other thing most comic writers can come up with besides death is rape.....so, be careful what you wish for.

 

[Havok83]

Hmm, giving it some thought I'd rank X-Woman of 2010/11 as:

1) Emma Frost (and I hate that)
2) Hope Summers
3) Rogue
4) Psylocke
5) Illyana Rasputin
6) Jubilee
7) Siryn/Banshee
8) Kitty Pryde
9) Danielle Moonstar
10) Pixie

So maybe I'm wrong, Psylocke would make top 5. But that's only due to Remender. If Remender hadn't made her a name again she'd probably fall to around 7 or 8. Surprisingly, I honestly don't think Storm should make that list based on how little she's been used of late.

Idie also just barely misses that list.

Id rank it

1. Emma
2. Hope
3. Psylocke
4. Rogue
5. Kitty
6. X-23
7. Illyana
8. Dani
9. Storm
10. Pixie

 

[Specter313]

I love the X-Club and I don't care who knows it, especially when we get stuff like this:

 

[JewishHobbit]

That is pretty good.

Id rank it

1. Emma
2. Hope
3. Psylocke
4. Rogue
5. Kitty
6. X-23
7. Illyana
8. Dani
9. Storm
10. Pixie

Hmm, forgot about X-23. She'd definately be on my list too and would likely bump Pixie from the list. I'd put her between Magik and Jubilee. I still don't see Storm making it though.

 

[Spider-Nerd]

I love the X-Club and I don't care who knows it, especially when we get stuff like this:

hahahaaha that's awesome.

 

[Havok83]

That is pretty good.
Hmm, forgot about X-23. She'd definately be on my list too and would likely bump Pixie from the list. I'd put her between Magik and Jubilee. I still don't see Storm making it though.

Id have Storm there over Jubilee. Jubes had more to do during the vamp arc last year. Really not as much in 2011. Storm's not a major force in the X books as she's been used quite a bit over in AXM and seems to be utilized more this year than she has in reccent years. Plus she's been put on the A-team and is leading over in Xmen v3. I definetly think she's one of the top 10 X-women. Not top 5 material, but hopefully that will change in the year to come