X-Men - Part 7

[BoredGuy]

Ill prob pick up Gold, Astonishing, WPNX and mayyyybe Gen X or Cable if they get good reviews

 

[Mad Ones]

Gold was pretty good. The team was cohesive and Guggenheim gets the voice of the characters. This was baaaaasic, but I don't think it's such a bad thing for one title in the relaunch to remind audiences of the X-men's roots and the ABCs of being a mutant. The art was the weak link, though.

I'll also be getting Blue, Generation X, Jean Grey, Iceman, Astonishing, and maybe Cable when they come out.

 

[Weather Witch]

Yeah I think some of the art wasn't all that good. Though I like that it was pretty basics, back to the roots, and fairly self aware of the position that X-Men comics are in right now. It's a good approach.

 

[Havok83]

More thoughts on Gold. I will never get used to the idea of the team in Central Park. I dont like how they are treating the X-men illegally siezing Central Park for themselves as if its not a big deal. It's not even that big so it makes no sense why they'd use it. Where the heck are they keeping the Blackbird? The noise, the traffic, the terrorist activity....not cool in a post 911 NYC. This first issue literally had a [BLACKOUT]skyscraper falling down.[/BLACKOUT]

$18 million dollars in rent/property taxes. Where the heck are they going to find the money for that with Emma and Warren no longer around?

I hate the portrayal of Storm here.[BLACKOUT] She cant summon a tornado and use a lightning strike at the same time? Her needing Rachel to hold Terrax in place for her was BS[/BLACKOUT]. She came across miserable like she doesnt even want to be there. Its like I made Kitty boss and since she says I have to stay, Im bound to follow her, even though I clearly want out. I really hope MG doesnt have her be so mopey and down about herself this run. This seems contrived to justify Kitty as leader bc this Storm isnt fit to lead the Gen X kids

I did like the art on the issue. Step up from EXM. The team does seem more like a family again which seemed to be missing the last several years. Great issue for Kitty fans. Her characterization was great. The only character I really felt was missing is Rogue. She worked really well with this lineup before and I think she'd be a good fit again

 

[Mad Ones]

I don't mind Central Park. They are there legally as long they pay rent, which is something that challenges Kitty's leadership. Maybe it will be a bad decision in the long run and it will add drama to their lives. It's kinda funny, a year ago the rumour was that all mutants would be relocated off planet and now the X-mansion is right in Central Park.

Storm's characterization is a consequence of the editorial mandate that the X-men "lost" in IvX, both physically and morally. Obviously this is complete BS. I don't mind Storm here as much as I hate how Extraordinary squandered Storm's leadership. Cyclops was leader for like a decade, Storm deserved that treatment too. As far as powers go... I thought she was cool. Storm fans are never satisfied with her feats.

 

[Havok83]

I don't mind Central Park. They are there legally as long they pay rent, which is something that challenges Kitty's leadership. Maybe it will be a bad decision in the long run and it will add drama to their lives. It's kinda funny, a year ago the rumour was that all mutants would be relocated off planet and now the X-mansion is right in Central Park.

Storm's characterization is a consequence of the editorial mandate that the X-men "lost" in IvX, both physically and morally. Obviously this is complete BS. I don't mind Storm here as much as I hate how Extraordinary squandered Storm's leadership. Cyclops was leader for like a decade, Storm deserved that treatment too. As far as powers go... I thought she was cool. Storm fans are never satisfied with her feats.

well they stole it which was acknowledged. Logan was thre joking about how the city had no choice in the matter. They didnt even ask or go through proper channels to make this happen. It makes the X-men come across as a-holes and if there wasnt valid reasons to hate mutants before, this would definitely be one to hate the X-men

I also found out it when they kept referencing the big teams that they were aspiring to be like, the Avengers made sense, but the Champions? Really? I guess its not like they have the Fantastic Four to utilize

Yeah EXM was her worst stint as a leader. I dont consider myself a big Storm fan but it is BS that she cant hold an opponent in place with her tornados and hurl a lightning strike at the same time. Its not that difficult or impressive a feat as she's done this hundreds of times in the past.

 

[Sithborg]

I enjoyed Gold. Interesting membership in the new Brotherhood.

 

[psylockolussus]

I am usually pretty excited about a relaunch but Gold was meh just like Royals. The roster is quite uninspired, small and just not exciting. The reasoning behind Rachel's new codename is just so shallow. They might as well change everyone code names if everyone has to move forward in their lives.

the other big X-Men are either dead or somewhere in Earth. And I just miss the unity of the X-Men, like everyone was in the mansion and everyone was acting as an active X-Man. If your favorite wasn't in the first book, it's either he was on Adjective less or Uncanny. Here in gold, its just the six of them and who cares about those students like Armor/Rockslide, Marvel has made it clear that they continue to remain lower priority. God knows what happened to Forge, Magik... Its not even clear if Astonishing is based in the New York school. The X-Men are scattered everywhere and I am just bored. And once again X-Men have to earn human's acceptance once again. So over it. Like Royals, I don't like the artwork.

 

[Havok83]

As of X-men Prime, all active X-men are at the mansion. We saw the O5 leave in that issue but the rest remains to be seen. Presumably others are still there. We know that Jubilee is and [BLACKOUT]Chamber and Husk are with Dani[/BLACKOUT] being hinted at.

Astonishing X-men wont take place at the mansion bc its not a team of X-men

I dont see the problem with various teams out there. Not every problem occurs in NY and mutant heroes are needed all over the world. With few exceptions, ever since the line expanded in the mid 80s, theres always been various X-teams stationed away from the school. Think of Blue as X-Factor and Astonishing as X-Force. Same concept

 

[psylockolussus]

I just miss the unity they had in the last decade. I think the last time, most of them grouped together was Uncanny 600. Like, I liked it when Cyclops was the main leader, and he would assign a leader for each of the X-Men squad, while the students also have a specific mentor. I am talking about pre-Sfx/pre-Utopia.

While I don't even consider the O5 as X-Men... Well in 616 reality well except for Jean since she was in extraordinary. And if its true that Astonishing isn't even official X-Men team then that's disappointing to hear.

 

[Havok83]

The O5 are most definitely X-men. They literally are THE originals

 

[Weather Witch]

The O5 are most definitely X-men. They literally are THE originals

Technically that is absolutely true, but I also don't really see it like that. They came from a place where they were X-Men, but here they are mostly just a group of lost people. The whole time displaced characters thing has never really worked for me though, so I might be a bit biased. I want to give X-Men: Blue a fair shot though. Maybe they will pleasantly surprise me. The fact that Blue and upcoming Iceman are not using the same version of Iceman does annoy me though.

 

[psylockolussus]

Technically they are the originals... But those originals grew up a long time ago. So eh.

 

[Havok83]

Technically that is absolutely true, but I also don't really see it like that. They came from a place where they were X-Men, but here they are mostly just a group of lost people. The whole time displaced characters thing has never really worked for me though, so I might be a bit biased. I want to give X-Men: Blue a fair shot though. Maybe they will pleasantly surprise me. The fact that Blue and upcoming Iceman are not using the same version of Iceman does annoy me though.

They were lost people but they had accepted and settled into 616 after Battle of the Atom. They are X-men bc Xavier sanctioned them as such in (Uncanny) X-men #1. They were plucked from #8 which was a little bit after they had already graduated. They came into this timeline and resumed enrollment at the Xavier school and were fighting major villians (Mystique, Lady Mastermind, Sabretooth, Imperial Guard, Weapon X, etc....) which falls in line with how they operated in the original timeline. They even joined up with Cyclops group as a sub-team of X-men under him. They werent treated like the X-kids even going back to the New Mutants whom were not intended to be heroes but rather students. Now they are striking out on their own but will take Magneto as a mentor. They consider themselves X-men, all the characters consider them X-men and they are portrayed as such. They most definitely are

 

[zenith16]

Marvel’s Champions Play A Central Role in Secret Empire
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The Champions will have a 'central role' in the summer event, according to Nick Spencer and Axel Alonso.Read more

Marvel Comics’ young superhero team of Champions formed in the fallout of “Civil War II,” when Spider-Man (Miles Morales), Ms. Marvel and Nova found themselves disenfranchised with their adult teammates on the Avengers. They were joined by the Hulk (Amadeus Cho), Cyclops and Viv Vision as they set out to bring positive change into the world.
Soon, the teen heroes will be put to the test when Marvel’s summer blockbuster event, “Secret Empire,” kicks off in May. The event’s writer, Nick Spencer, and Marvel Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso divulged to Entertainment Weekly just how big a role the Champions will play.
RELATED: Secret Empire #1 First Look Features Champions, Monsters & More
“Our youngest characters, and in particular the Champions, are gonna have a really central role in the event,” Spencer revealed. “They seem to be in a perfect position to pick up the torch here when a lot of the other heroes maybe weren’t in the best shape. They would really be the ones to keep up the fight, who wouldn’t want to give up in the face of this.”
Alonso added, “I want to stress though that it is a universe-wide event that involves all of the heroes. There’s Avengers, Spider-Man, Deadpool, X-Men. Everyone’s got a role in this. This is very much a point where the heroes have to rally, get past minor differences, and deal with a real relevant threat. It’s all black and white, no shades of gray.”
It seems that many of the heroes in the Marvel universe will be left shellshocked once Captain America shows his true allegiance to Hydra. The Champions’ youth may be their advantage, as they will be able to quickly brush off the initial surprise of Cap’s betrayal and get down to the business of fighting back.
Though the Champions are central to “Secret Empire,” Alonso makes sure to stress this is a “universe-wide” event that will pull in heroes from all corners of the Marvel universe. Where “Civil War II” saw heroes fighting heroes, “Secret Empire” will be a rallying call for everyone to put their differences aside for the greater good.
“Secret Empire” will follow up on the conclusion of “Civil War II,” which saw Steve Rogers – now a double agent working for Hydra after having his reality manipulated by a sentient Cosmic Cube – assume command of S.H.I.E.L.D. Likewise, we know Cap will no longer be working in the shadows, and the series will serve as a culmination of the events from titles such as “Captain America: Sam Wilson” and “Captain America: Steve Rogers.”

source:http://www.cbr.com/

 

[Havok83]

Gold was pretty good. The team was cohesive and Guggenheim gets the voice of the characters. This was baaaaasic, but I don't think it's such a bad thing for one title in the relaunch to remind audiences of the X-men's roots and the ABCs of being a mutant. The art was the weak link, though.

I'll also be getting Blue, Generation X, Jean Grey, Iceman, Astonishing, and maybe Cable when they come out.

Yeah I think some of the art wasn't all that good. Though I like that it was pretty basics, back to the roots, and fairly self aware of the position that X-Men comics are in right now. It's a good approach.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/0...-christian-jewish-messages-weeks-x-men-comic/

Good news for you two as Syaf will likely be fired after that

eta:

 

[psylockolussus]

I am excited to see what will happen to M in Generation X. I hope they could redeem her after turning herself into like a vampire, well Jubilee experienced that as well so it would be interesting how Jubilee would help M.

 

[zenith16]

I am excited to see what will happen to M in Generation X. I hope they could redeem her after turning herself into like a vampire, well Jubilee experienced that as well so it would be interesting how Jubilee would help M.

hmm butit's notthe same type and i thought that was purged of her body during it's first run oh with those were that twins and mentet was seprate thing fromthe twins posing as her.

I 'm ware it weirdly came back when she was with magneto's team but I don't get it. I thought Emplate has to infect her.

 

[Havok83]

Monet and Marius share a body. She's not an actual vampire but effectively functions as one as he compels her to feed

I am excited to see what will happen to M in Generation X. I hope they could redeem her after turning herself into like a vampire, well Jubilee experienced that as well so it would be interesting how Jubilee would help M.

she didnt turn herself into one. She didnt exactly have a choice. I think its sad that she's been in desperate need of hep for quite some time and she's had no friends to realize shehas a problem. Sabretooth only enabled her and there were parallels to drug addiction with her feeding addiction. Im hoping that Jubes can help her through as well

 

[psylockolussus]

I also want M back in the X-Men and continue to build her up and eventually be seen as an essential member of the team.

 

[zenith16]

hmm which reminds me jubilee was feeding on wolverine befor he kicked the bucket to keep her feeding under control and he's not around any more. I don't see her talking to old man logan and lara's busy at most times . she should go to England and ask elsa blood stone for help to get rid of her own vampire ism may be elsa blood would cure her or turn her into a hybrid that doesn't need blood or jubilee can see Elsa's mentor spite fire. spire fire is a mutant and tech hybrid that avoided being turned into a vampire herself and has been around since world war II

 

[Sithborg]

You know, when Emplate jumped into M, I would've liked to see her revert a bit back to Penance. (God, her family tries to challenge the Summers for complexity)

 

[Havok83]

This mess is getting worse

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/09/ardian-syaf-tries-to-explain-what-happened-yesterday/

There are some who are still looking for messages in the comic and believe that this image below, could be interpreted as a hidden message of a German Christian character striking and American Jewish character.

This comic has become very uncomfortable and its a shame that this has overshadowed what otherwise was considered a fairly decent book

 

[Gee]

This mess is getting worse

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/09/ardian-syaf-tries-to-explain-what-happened-yesterday/

How that passed the editorial team is beyond me.

Stating that we’re not to believe everything we read in the media or on social media, but that we should pick up the first print of the comic as the messages will be removed in future printings, and it will be a rare collectible.

And indeed I have received reports of retailers who tell me the comic sold out yesterday, after a sluggish launch on Wednesday, as people came into stores specifically to buy this issue.

Well, well...

 

[Havok83]

How that passed the editorial team is beyond me.

Well, well...

I can. Honestly, unless you are versed in anti-semantic text and are aware of this guy's religious background, the average person wouldnt have noticed. I've seen this stuff pointed out to me and it meant nothing till I read what the numbers and icons represent. The stuff he drew was hidden and not overt so its easy to miss. Other stuff like Kitty, a Jewish woman, being the only member drawn with torn clothes have people second guessing panels which dont seem like much at first