X3: Bomb or not?

[The Dark Defender]

Why should how much money a movie made dtermine its quality?

Movies are work of art. They should be judged by their content, NOT by how much money they made.

"X-Men: The Last Stand" was a crappy movie. Wether it made a lot of money or not is another argument entirely.

But if you disagree, try talking about themovie's quality, and come up with a better reason that "it made a lot of money".

Box office has nothing to do with quality, I do believe it's been said in this thread that it does.

Box office indeed is irrelevant to how good a film is, hence why pieces of **** like the first two X films and Spider Man putting up huge numbers doesn't make them any less ****ty.

 

[thealiasman2000]

I don't like "X-Men" or "Spider-Man", what comic book movies DO you like?

Other than Sin City.

 

[Hunter Rider]

BO-wise yes it's a hit,filmicly is totaly subjective,i thought it was a mediocre movie at best but i know some loved it

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Exactly. Most of the haters decided to jump on ain't it crap's hate bandwagon for x3, and looked silly when it did so well, and I'm glad.

Actually most of the haters were right since the film had no legs. It made a ton of money in the first four days thanks to an effective advertising campaign, however afterwards it was unable to garner more than 30 mil for a weekend gross. Spider-Man, X2, SM2 and Pirates (Shrek 1 and 2...basically anyone with huge weekend grosses, and lesser weekend earners like Batman Begins due to film quality were able to continue to make very good weekend profits afterwards. X3 dropped like a rock after that first weekend, and they are lucky they made what the did and got a good weekend to open on.

They dropped, quiet frankly, because the movie sucked and no one saw it again or recommended it.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I don't like "X-Men" or "Spider-Man", what comic book movies DO you like?

Other than Sin City.

I love Blade 2 and Hellboy, Hulk(almost as underrated as Spider Man is overrated), Daredevil and Fantastic Four were very flawed but fun, same with X3, and The Punisher, I didn't love Batman Begins as much as most but I liked it...

Oh yeah, and V for Vendetta.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I love Blade 2 and Hellboy, Hulk(almost as underrated as Spider Man is overrated), Daredevil and Fantastic Four were very flawed but fun, same with X3, and The Punisher, I didn't love Batman Begins as much as most but I liked it...

You don't read the comics, do you

 

[The Dark Defender]

You don't read the comics, do you

Same way I feel about people that laud Singer's work on the X-Men franchise.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Same way I feel about people that laud Singer's work on the X-Men franchise.

Well I am not a huge X-Men movie fan (in fact I want a relaunch). But Spider-Man 1 and 2, Batman Begins and the original Supermans are far closer to the comics than Fantastic Four, DareDevil, X3 and the Punisher which a veritable abominations when it comes to presentation of the characters and storylines.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Well I am not a huge X-Men movie fan (in fact I want a relaunch). But Spider-Man 1 and 2, Batman Begins and the original Supermans are far closer to the comics than Fantastic Four, DareDevil, and the Punisher which a veritable abominations when it comes to presentation of the characters and storylines.

I was never a fan of Spider Man anyway, it not following the source material wasn't my problem with it, it's simply a horrible film in every aspect.

Yes, Batman Begins was well adapted, and I liked it.

I haven't watched the original Superman in years, hence why I've made no mention of it.

As for abominations as far as presentation of the characters and storylines, FF (which I admitted was very flawed) was atleast a film about a team which developed distinct personalities for each character and played out their interaction quite well, which I found refreshing after the X films showed me a bunch of generic indistinguishable clones that happen to have different powers but close to no personalities(and I too want a re-launch, the only way the franchise will ever be truly done justice is by starting from scratch after how bady Singer ****ed it over); and I liked the dark, non campy tone of Daredevil and Punisher, which I found refreshing after the ridiculously corny Spider Man which had some of the worst dialogue every for the screen amongst numerous other massive flaws, Spider Man was always my least favorite super hero. Closely adapted or not, it's a horrible movie.

X-Men was the only comic book I ever really loved, hence why I'm so vehement in my criticisms of Singer's work.

 

[Karea07]

X3 hasnt even opened in Japan and some other countries, right?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I was never a fan of Spider Man anyway, it not following the source material wasn't my problem with it, it's simply a horrible film in every aspect.

Yes, Batman Begins was well adapted, and I liked it.

I haven't watched the original Superman in years, hence why I've made no mention of it.

As for abominations as far as presentation of the characters and storylines, FF (which I admitted was very flawed) was atleast a film about a team which developed distinct personalities for each character and played out their interaction quite well, which I found refreshing after the X films showed me a bunch of generic indistinguishable clones that happen to have different powers but close to no personalities(and I too want a re-launch, the only way the franchise will ever be truly done justice is by starting from scratch after how bady Singer ****ed it over); and I liked the dark, non campy tone of Daredevil and Punisher, which I found refreshing after the ridiculously corny Spider Man which had some of the worst dialogue every for the screen amongst numerous other massive flaws, Spider Man was always my least favorite super hero. Closely adapted or not, it's a horrible movie.

X-Men was the only comic book I ever really loved, hence why I'm so vehement in my criticisms of Singer's work.

Well I have 5000 marvel comics, and I have never seen a movie that pisses on Jack Kirby so much as FF. Spider-Man is classic Steve Ditko and Stan Lee, 100%...if you hate their writing I guess you'd hate Spider-Man.

As for DareDevil, DareDevil does not kill...not only does he not kill, it a what if by Frank Miller killing the Kingpin upset him so much he began hallucinating wildly and killed himself. Furthermore, if you hate corny dialogue X3, DareDevil and FF ought to top your list higher than Spider-Man. At least Spider-Man is suppose to say stuff like "fly web, shazam!, go web go". Wolverine is never suppose to give speeches or randomly blurt out "I love you" or crack wise for that matter. DareDevil fighting Jennifer Garner in a school playground isn't corny, what about Punisher frying a guy with a popsicle or walking away idly after a guy sings him a "funeral song". Yeah thats classic Punisher, acting oblivious to his surroundings just like he always does.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Well I have 5000 marvel comics, and I have never seen a movie that pisses on Jack Kirby so much as FF. Spider-Man is classic Steve Ditko and Stan Lee, 100%...if you hate their writing I guess you'd hate Spider-Man.

As for DareDevil, DareDevil does not kill...not only does he not kill, it a what if by Frank Miller killing the Kingpin upset him so much he began hallucinating wildly and killed himself. Furthermore, if you hate corny dialogue X3, DareDevil and FF ought to top your list higher than Spider-Man. At least Spider-Man is suppose to say stuff like "fly web, shazam!, go web go". Wolverine is never suppose to give speeches or randomly blurt out "I love you" or crack wise for that matter. DareDevil fighting Jennifer Garner in a school playground isn't corny, what about Punisher frying a guy with a popsicle or walking away idly after a guy sings him a "funeral song". Yeah thats classic Punisher, acting oblivious to his surroundings just like he always does.

The corniest moments in FF, DD, Punisher, and The Last Stand don't even come close to how bad the best scenes(I'm hard pressed to think of one I like)In Spider Man were;and you're pointing flaws with Daredevil, Punisher, and FF, I never denied they had their fair share of them(and they aren't adaptions of material that I loved, so of course I'm not going to come down as hard on them as adaptions. I abhor the X films for failing on both counts as films and adaptions, Spider Man may be closely adapted, but I wasn't a fan of the source anyway and as a film it's horrible).
No, Wolverine isn't supposed to act like that, hence why I detest the film version of him, and the fact that Spider Man is supposed to spout of horrid dialogue doesn't make film anymore enjyeable(and the pathetic dialogue is one of many reasons I loathe it). The other films under discussion COMBINED aren't half as corny, and downright idiotic as Spider Man. Seeing that movie reminded me why I never liked him.

 

[WarBlade]

Considering that X3 has grossed over 400 million worldwide so far on a 260 million dollar budget, you probably think there is no question that the movie was a smash hit.

But I am having a debate with a guy who won't admit he is wrong, and he says x3 is a bomb and fox won't make sequels due to it's ''lackluster performance''. I need some unbiased views (hence why this isn't in the x men section).

Here are the facts:

X Men 3 cost $210 to make, and has grossed $230 in domestic. That's straight into profit, without the extra 200 plus million worldwide.

That's not a fact. The assessment that a $230 million North American gross puts it straight into profit for the studio is pure conjecture and it's also totally wrong.

He says fox announced some spin offs, such as magneto and wolverine, before x3 opened, which is true. But he won't listen to the fact that after x3 opened, fox were enthusiastically discussing sequels, including a young x men movie and emma frost, as well as fast tracking wolverine.

so who do you guys think is right, and why?

Hardly anyone on Super hero Hype is right, because 99% of people here have no clue how the movie industry operates. As to the question of whether X3 is a bomb or not, I'd call it a moderate success.

 

[HighVoltage]

X3 was not a bomb. It was a hit. Once the DVD hits, it will be an even bigger hit. It doesn't sound like your friend is very educated. If he were, he'd understand the intricacies of economics and not argue the point with you. You are in the right. The film based on the box office take for Fox is not a bomb. Why doesn't he look at the earnings for Fox if he's so sure it was a bomb. The tale of the tape is in the intake.

Dpm07, your posts are very smart, and I´m not saying this because you´re talking in a good way about a favorite movie for me, is because your points are very clear with intelligence, without a bias in this forum, good posts, dude.

 

[Cyclops]

I'm sorry, 200 plus million world wide is low??? That's crazy talk.

If America is accounting for over half of the whole world's intake, then I think yes, that qualifies as performing poorly.

 

[Aiden]

Hardly anyone on Super hero Hype is right, because 99% of people here have no clue how the movie industry operates. As to the question of whether X3 is a bomb or not, I'd call it a moderate success.

When everyone over at the X3 boards was going mental over Scott's death etc most of them blamed the writers etc. But some of us, myself included, knew that most of those decisions were made by Fox and not the people these posters were blaming

 

[Darthphere]

When everyone over at the X3 boards was going mental over Scott's death etc most of them blamed the writers etc. But some of us, myself included, knew that most of those decisions were made by Fox and not the people these posters were blaming

Ok, good for you guys. How does that make you any more knowledgable about the movie industry than Joe Schmo?

 

[Ben Urich]

The fact that the mistakes were made by Fox execs, not writers, doesn't change the fact that MISTAKES WERE MADE.

 

[Aiden]

Ok, good for you guys. How does that make you any more knowledgable about the movie industry than Joe Schmo?

I never said it did. I only said that there's a lot more to making a movie than writing a script and then shooting it nowadays...

 

[DACrowe]

Anyone who says Peter spouting out dorky and cheesy diologue is out of character needs to take a good long hard look at what Stan Lee wrote for Parker (not Spider-Man, who barely got to talk but when he did it was usually funny, in the second anyway) in the first 100 issues of Spider-Man which are the obvious major influence for Raimi's first two films at least.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Noone did say it was out of character. What I said was I never liked his character to begin with, and the piece of **** movie reminded me why.

 

[Timstuff]

X3 was da bomb, not a bomb. As in, it was good.

 

[Horrorfan]

Actually most of the haters were right since the film had no legs. It made a ton of money in the first four days thanks to an effective advertising campaign, however afterwards it was unable to garner more than 30 mil for a weekend gross. Spider-Man, X2, SM2 and Pirates (Shrek 1 and 2...basically anyone with huge weekend grosses, and lesser weekend earners like Batman Begins due to film quality were able to continue to make very good weekend profits afterwards. X3 dropped like a rock after that first weekend, and they are lucky they made what the did and got a good weekend to open on.
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Actually the haters were wrong. As far as I am aware, X3 has outgrossed batman begins domestically AND worldwide. Am I wrong? So yeah, your moaning and *****ing didn't stop it being a sucess and more sequels and spin offs being announced

 

[Horrorfan]

Hardly anyone on Super hero Hype is right, because 99% of people here have no clue how the movie industry operates. As to the question of whether X3 is a bomb or not, I'd call it a moderate success.

Oh yes, because people like you know everything about the movie buisness and none of us noobs know a thing

Basically, here's a challenge to all the nay sayers and haters who think x3 bombed:

if there is a sequel or spin off made in the next 2-3 years (same amount of time between x2 and x3), y ou will admit you were wrong. If there is not, I will do the same. That's pretty much proof it was profitable if a sequel or spin off is made, and then it can be put to rest.

 

[livrule]

If America is accounting for over half of the whole world's intake, then I think yes, that qualifies as performing poorly.

LOL ....

Maybe some here need to sit down, open a map and look at the size of America.

A movie like X3 will always make most of its money within the USA ... big numbers overseas are often a bonus.

We can twist and discuss this till doomsday ...... fact is X3 has done very nicely thank you.