..Yet another British terrorist attack...

[War Lord]

Nice dodge. Are you saying that entering into an arbitrary war is better than doing nothing? Diverting our military resources to an uninvolved country like Iraq has probably done more to make the world unsafe than it has to secure it. Who's Chamberlain?

Neville Chamberlain sold out Poland in hopes that he could avoid war with Hitler, it should stand as a case study for all time to show that appeasement never ever works and could not work. Iraq was hardly not involved in terrorism. Zarqawi wouldn't have been in Iraq if there wasn't a support system in place to support him.

 

[WormyT]

I was going to go to the UK in 3 weeks but cancelled my tickets yestreday for some other reason. And I was going to fly through Washington.
Oh well, lets enjoy the peace before we turn on our tv's and see this S#!t.

 

[sinewave]

Neville Chamberlain sold out Poland in hopes that he could avoid war with Hitler, it should stand as a case study for all time to show that appeasement never ever works and could not work. Iraq was hardly not involved in terrorism. Zarqawi wouldn't have been in Iraq if there wasn't a support system in place to support him.

Judging by the info Wikipedia has on Chamberlain, he sounds like he shared Bush's poor judgement, he just went a different direction with his decisions. He misjudged the Nazi regime and held out for peace while war was the correct route to take in that situation. He held out for peace too long, while Bush rushed into an unjust war.

I'll humor you and play along with your claim that Zarqawi had ties to Iraq, why not go for Iran, Syria or Saudi Arabia, since they had much stronger ties to terrorism than Iraq did?

You're attempts at justifying this war are rather weak. You have to see that, right?

 

[celldog]

Soooooooooo........

Islamic terrorist yet again.

But, no big deal right??

 

[War Lord]

Judging by the info Wikipedia has on Chamberlain, he sounds like he shared Bush's poor judgement, he just went a different direction with his decisions. He misjudged the Nazi regime and held out for peace while war was the correct route to take in that situation. He held out for peace too long, while Bush rushed into an unjust war.

I'll humor you and play along with your claim that Zarqawi had ties to Iraq, why not go for Iran, Syria or Saudi Arabia, since they had much stronger ties to terrorism than Iraq did?

You're attempts at justifying this war are rather weak. You have to see that, right?

You're probably also misjudging the terrorists intentions and holding out for peace when war is the correct route.

The terrorist's knocked down two large buildings and killed 3,000 Americans. You can't get a much bigger war strike than that. Do you really need New York or some other large city to get wiped off the map before you get the message?

I'll humour you by saying that Germany never attacked the US, but it was still necessary to absolutely defeat Germany to bring WWII to a successful close.

There were good reasons to remove Saddaam from power (and going to war was the only way to remove him from power).

1. Iraq was probably among the most ready ME countries that could be made into an attractive democracy, which would put pressure on the other ME countries to move towards being more democratic. Iran knew this and that is why Iran is very much involved in trying to defeat this.

2. The personnel cost to defeating Iraq was much lower than what it would have taken to defeat Iran. Also the UN resolutions had needed to be enforced, otherwise they were useless.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Bah, the government is making it up to scare all you puppets into supporting the war on ethnics!

Even though you were merely joking, that very well might just be the case.

 

[sinewave]

You're probably also misjudging the terrorists intentions and holding out for peace when war is the correct route.

The terrorist's knocked down two large buildings and killed 3,000 Americans. You can't get a much bigger war strike than that. Do you really need New York or some other large city to get wiped off the map before you get the message?

I'll humour you by saying that Germany never attacked the US, but it was still necessary to absolutely defeat Germany to bring WWII to a successful close.

There were good reasons to remove Saddaam from power (and going to war was the only way to remove him from power).

1. Iraq was probably among the most ready ME countries that could be made into an attractive democracy, which would put pressure on the other ME countries to move towards being more democratic. Iran knew this and that is why Iran is very much involved in trying to defeat this.

2. The personnel cost to defeating Iraq was much lower than what it would have taken to defeat Iran. Also the UN resolutions had needed to be enforced, otherwise they were useless.

Again, you're equating the Iraq war with the war on terror. They're two completely different things. I have no problem with the U.S. and any other country trying to thwart terrorist cells and shut them down for good, but that's not what we're doing in Iraq. It was a bonehead move when we invaded and it's a bonehead move to continue to occupy it while the rest of the Middle East falls to peices. Whether Iraq was the most fertile ME country for the conversion to democracy is not the point, we entered to stop Saddam from acquiring and using WMD against the U.S. and it's allies and to punish them for assisting al-Qaida, two things that were not real, and have been proven false, time and again. You can try and spin it any way you want to, but those are the facts.

 

[Cyclops]

Is it just me or is it awfully coincidental that this plot comes out right after the release of "World Trade Center"?

Dammit, Oliver Stone, I knew that movie was a bad idea.

 

[y2jversion1]

What convenient timing -

- War in Lebanon: Israeli's (aka the 'good guys') vs. Lebanese (aka the Islamic 'bad guys') - Israel announces that it will unleash a full-scale assault on Lebanon.

- You-tube vids leaked of US funding & arming the Israeli war-machine.

- The film "World Trade Centre" is released on Tuesday.

- This 'terrorist' plot is foiled on Wednesday.

Seems more like subliminal mind-games in order to garner support for the so-called 'war on terror' - especially when more and more people are questioning & criticizing the US governments, the UN's actions (read: non-actions) against the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.

Convenient.

Godspeed to the folks of Israel & Lebanon...and the World, who are merely pawns in the hands of the power-hungry elitists.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

I think it was Israelis. Think about it, who had the most to benefit from another successful terrorist attack involing the UK and the USA? Israel. They somehow pin it on the Hezbollah, who they are at war with, and eventually gain U.S. and U.K. support. We always have to look at who benefits most from these types of things.

 

[War Lord]

I think it was Israelis. Think about it, who had the most to benefit from another successful terrorist attack involing the UK and the USA? Israel. They somehow pin it on the Hezbollah, who they are at war with, and eventually gain U.S. and U.K. support. We always have to look at who benefits most from these types of things.

That's quite the scam. Lose and you could lose your country. Win and everybody hates you.

That sounds like a winner.

 

[Barbossa]

I'm so glad they were stopped, I can't stand terrorism for religion, if that is indeed what they were doing it for.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

That's quite the scam. Lose and you could lose your country. Win and everybody hates you.

That sounds like a winner.

Bigger scam is killing 3,000 of your own people and making it look like amateurs with box cutters and a CIA Islamic operative with kidney problems.

 

[War Lord]

Bigger scam is killing 3,000 of your own people and making it look like amateurs with box cutters and a CIA Islamic operative with kidney problems.

Right, and by coincidence, the authorities actually found 19 Islamic and ME male who happily admitted in court to doing it.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Right, and by coincidence, the authorities actually found 19 Islamic and ME male who happily admitted in court to doing it.

Did you know about 9 of those 19 boxcutter-ers turned up alive?

 

[regwec]

So many dumbasses on the hype. Oh so many.

Immigrants help our economy massively. Most of them are good law abiding people that contribute to society.

If you want to blame policies, blame foreign policy.

Whirly is not a "dumbass", he is simply tracing the problem further back than you. You are implying that domestic terrorism is our (the British government's) fault for upsetting Muslims by fighting opression abroad; Whirly is, quite rightly, pointing out that the true problem is the emergence of segregated minorities who are willing to murder their countrymen in order to undermine the democratically elected government.

Now, I have already pointed out how vasty beneficial immigration is for the most part, but I think that it is naive to insist that all immigrant communities behave in the same way. For example, there may be many highly educated, liberal, pluralistic and patriotic doctors originally from India working and living in Britain today; but there are also illegal asylum seekers who speak no English, do not interact with the rest of society, hold radically intolerant religious and political views, actively hate their adoptive country, and who have already been involved in terrorist activity in Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan or Chechnya.

It's madness to think of them as a single scion of society.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

First I don't think this had anything to do with "World Trade Center" opening, there wasn't a foiled terrorist plot when "United 93" opened was there? Governments/terrorists don't pay attention to Hollywood release dates when foiling/executing terrorist plots.

That being said, the terrorists should have paid attention to Hollywood when planning this attack. They shouldn't have used liquid explosives, the should have used snakes! Let loose a bunch of snakes on a plane, now you have a fool proof plan!

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Did you know about 9 of those 19 boxcutter-ers turned up alive?

Are they hanging out with the Reptilians/Illuminati?

 

[Lobster Charlie]

see below, screwed this post up!

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Are they hanging out with the Reptilians/Illuminati?

I would assume they're home with their families, working, living, etc.

The fact is they're alive and they didn't hijack any planes.

 

[War Lord]

Did you know about 9 of those 19 boxcutter-ers turned up alive?

Good point, but there were others that were captured and they happily admitted the deed.

 

[kainedamo]

The British public wouldn't go for it. They're smarter than that. It doesn't matter if hundreds of Britains were to die in a terrorist attack, they would not support an invasion of Iran.

 

[sinewave]

You guys ain't seen nothin' yet.

USA and Britain need a pretex before they invade Syria and Ira

Syria I can understand, but why would they want to invade him?

 

[War Lord]

The British public wouldn't go for it. They're smarter than that. It doesn't matter if hundreds of Britains were to die in a terrorist attack, they would not support an invasion of Iran.

We'll see about that when thousands of Brits actually die.

 

[kainedamo]

If thousands of Britains were to die, I still say a large amount of the British public are too smart to support an invasion of Iran.