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Either way I hope I'm wrong regarding my theory on WWE intentionally ruining booking during the fall to sabotage rising stars but at this point, I wouldn't put it past them.

Maybe that's why Punk said NOONE is allowed to break the glass ceiling in his last pipebomb in January.
 
But if this fan revolt keeps up and fans continue walking out during Orton's matches or being silent during his feud with Cena then they'll have no other option but to treat Punk and Bryan better or they'll be quitting the WWE so fast that Vince's head will spin.

A fan revolt is only going to lead to Vince wearing a straight jacket.
 
A fan revolt is only going to lead to Vince wearing a straight jacket.

And that would lead to HHH finally taking over the company and for my feelings on that, I'll let DDP interject because.......

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I'm taking a voluntary break from WWE TV for the first time ever if WrestleMania 30 doesn't look good. I'll still watch other wrestling and keep up with news though.
 
In brighter news, The Shield is deemed Rookie of The Year on WWE.com and rightfully so.

I usually laugh when WWE do these "awards" but this is one of the few times I agree. The Shield has been part of the best In-ring action this year.
 
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And that would lead to HHH finally taking over the company and for my feelings on that, I'll let DDP interject because.......

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It can be if he doesn't inject himself with superpowers and is given the power to bury the entire WWE roster all at once.
 
It can be if he doesn't inject himself with superpowers and is given the power to bury the entire WWE roster all at once.

Ugh well hopefully if and when he takes over he doesn't involve himself in too many angles because that's when he becomes a problem. His handling of NXT has been excellent and makes a great case for HHH as Chairman. If he approaches the main shows the same way he'd be great.
 
Something to consider is that both Cena and Orton are in-house made products, whereas Punk and Bryan aren't. Vince and Haitch are going to push who they want. Barring a crisis, or an actual fan rebellion, there is no threat for them to change tact unless they want to.
 
In brighter news, The Shield is deemed Rookie of The Year on WWE.com and rightfully so.

I usually laugh when WWE do these "awards" but this is one of the few times I agree. The Shield has been part of the best In-ring action this year.

The Shield is the one act that's been booked pretty well for an entire year. Quite an accompaniment in today's WWE.
 
The Shield is the one act that's been booked pretty well for an entire year. Quite an accompaniment in today's WWE.

With the way things are now, I can't help thinking it may only have been to get Reigns over credibly with the view for him to become 'the guy' in the future, considering he's had two quality guys to learn and feed off of. It'll be interesting to see how each of them are booked when they eventually go solo.
 
Something to consider is that both Cena and Orton are in-house made products, whereas Punk and Bryan aren't. Vince and Haitch are going to push who they want. Barring a crisis, or an actual fan rebellion, there is no threat for them to change tact unless they want to.

Amusingly so, this applies to Stone Cold and The Rock as well...Stone Cold only got to be "The One" because Vince needed him where as The Rock was WWE creation through and through. More than likely this is why Austin started getting downplayed in 2002.

I wish Vince wouldn't let his ego be hurt by guys that aren't his creation being popular talents in his company.
 
Regarding the plans for the unification angle that I've heard:

The guy who I heard this from had been talking about a unification for weeks before all the parts began to fall into place and the actual angle began. He even mentioned that Cena and Orton would be two big players in it, as well as the whole 'Face of the WWE' being the backdrop for things.

The plan/intention has always been to unify the titles, but that the stop at TLC would be the first mile of a long road.

The finish at TLC would result in both Cena and Orton grabbing each others titles. Cena will then challenge Orton to a rematch at the Rumble, but Orton will decline. Triple H will side with Orton (presumably as he is the Authority's chosen guy), so it may seem as though a unificiation will now be off the cards. Haitch will give then give Cena an opportunity to get what he wants (another shot at Orton to unify the titles), but he will have to do it the old way by winning the Rumble. Cena wins the Rumble, goes to Mania and the titles will be unified there.

So far, mostly everything I've heard has panned out in one way or another, but I'm seriously hoping this is not what they finally decide to go with to play out this unification angle, because it's a tried, tested and failed formula that just plain out blows.

What gives me some hope that they may have changed tact is Haitch seemingly adamant that he wants an undisputed champion going into the new year.

I know most of us have already thought about and discussed the title swapping possibility on the forum, but with the dirtsheets now picking up on it, it seems to give it some credibility.
 
Amusingly so, this applies to Stone Cold and The Rock as well...Stone Cold only got to be "The One" because Vince needed him where as The Rock was WWE creation through and through. More than likely this is why Austin started getting downplayed in 2002.

I wish Vince wouldn't let his ego be hurt by guys that aren't his creation being popular talents in his company.

I agree. If it hadn't been for WCW pushing the E to the brink back then, then I firmly believe Rock would have been the undoubted 'top man', and Austin would have found himself in the spot Punk and Bryan are in now. It was either kill or be killed, and Vinnie Mac needed him desperately.
 
Regarding the plans for the unification angle that I've heard:

The guy who I heard this from had been talking about a unification for weeks before all the parts began to fall into place and the actual angle began. He even mentioned that Cena and Orton would be two big players in it, as well as the whole 'Face of the WWE' being the backdrop for things.

The plan/intention has always been to unify the titles, but that the stop at TLC would be the first mile of a long road.

The finish at TLC would result in both Cena and Orton grabbing each others titles. Cena will then challenge Orton to a rematch at the Rumble, but Orton will decline. Triple H will side with Orton (presumably as he is the Authority's chosen guy), so it may seem as though a unificiation will now be off the cards. Haitch will give then give Cena an opportunity to get what he wants (another shot at Orton to unify the titles), but he will have to do it the old way by winning the Rumble. Cena wins the Rumble, goes to Mania and the titles will be unified there.

So far, mostly everything I've heard has panned out in one way or another, but I'm seriously hoping this is not what they finally decide to go with to play out this unification angle, because it's a tried, tested and failed formula that just plain out blows.

What gives me some hope that they may have changed tact is Haitch seemingly adamant that he wants an undisputed champion going into the new year.

I know most of us have already thought about and discussed the title swapping possibility on the forum, but with the dirtsheets now picking up on it, it seems to give it some credibility.

If this Bullsh---t happened this way I'd quit WWE until Cena retired.
 
Orton needs to beat Cena this time around since he lost the last feud.

More than likely this is why Austin started getting downplayed in 2002.

Its an unfortunate situation. While I can understand Austin's frustration with being demoted to a midcarder, I wish he hadn't been so difficult to work with. He should've just dropped the Undisputed Title to Triple H like he was supposed and did that match with Eddie Guerrero before calling it quits for good.
 
The Author of this article is right on the money:

Title: Why WWE's TV product must change - back to the basics or complete TV drama

Author: Ben Tucker, PWTorch TV specialist

Vince McMahon, for as much as he has tried to shy away from the concept of "wrasslin'," is still clinging on to its roots more than he even knows. Because right now, amidst a sea of lifeless mid-card "feuds" and main events supported by mediocre writing, WWE is working without a true identity of what it wants to be. And that's an issue, because the company has two options for its future that it needs to choose between.

A typical debate may revolve around whether or not they should follow the context of the old days of wrestling and feature talents in simple stories, focusing more on the sports aspect of "sports entertainment." Make the titles the sole focus of the promotion, other than the typical "blood feud," and don't fill the whole time slot of television with promo after promo.

The other option is the one that some in WWE and in USA Network's office probably secretly desire - turning the WWE into a full-on television drama. Go all the way in creating a cinematic feel for the show by focus increasingly more on the stories and drama outside the ring with a full theme for each episode and a conflict that is resolved by the end.

Backstage segments would be shot in multiple different cinematic angles like a typical drama and would delve into the actual goals and motivations for each wrestler, while the actual action in the ring would be reduced to maybe two or three matches per show. Essentially, make WWE compete more with programs like "Game of Thrones," only in front of a live audience.

But for years Vince McMahon himself has prevented WWE from turning into the program that he wants, relying on incompetent scripts for shows and a program model that does not hold up in 2013.

Everything in life changes. Even the most solitary rock in the world is slowly being chipped away at by nature until it is nothing. The same holds true for stories - everything is changing, all the time. Those who are unflinching in their beliefs and attitude change as well - they get worse. The more they're affected by external factors, the more resolute and opposed they are to the change around them, holding tighter and tighter to their beliefs.

The longer that WWE writers cling to the unchanging John Cenas and Randy Ortons, the worse the product going to get.

The main event players in WWE do not change. There's occasionally a C.M. Punk who will evolve his character over a long period of time. But, more likely than not, we will see John Cena doing the exact same two promos (the "poopy joke" promo or the "passionate and taking names" promo) while he touts the exact same mantras and wrestles the exact same style. Randy Orton will continue to slither down to the ring and pretend to be a psychopath who has no care for his opponents. Big Show will continue to switch between smiling babyface and easily angered heel. WWE tries to circumvent the problems of lacking character development by turning a wrestler face or heel, but that only works to such an extent without an actual arc (just ask The Miz or Alberto Del Rio when they turned face out of nowhere). Just like with popular television dramas, true character arcs are needed to be able to invest in these talents for long periods of time, or else they get stale.

Look at the WWE roster over the years and try to find the wrestlers who have evolved over time. Look at the television that was produced during their character changes and see how great it was. There were C.M. Punk's slow burning heel and face turns both last year and this year. Batista had a huge character change when he turned heel. All of these were examples of evolution, and they provided great television. Even The Undertaker, for as little as he has worked over the last several years, has altered his character multiple times, going from "The Last Outlaw" to a man who was weakened going into battle with Triple H at WrestleMania 28. These are the wrestlers that we are most interested in seeing because they are the most interesting to watch.

Just look at The Shield - they were exciting when they debuted because they were new and fresh. Roman Reigns now is the most compelling of the group because he is developing an edge. The faction as a whole is losing their luster because they have not evolved since their debut last year.

Fandango has lost a ton of steam because he hasn't developed past his one-dimensional dancing gimmick. In fact, look at every other wrestler in the company with a dancing gimmick, and you can see how the lack of progression is apparent throughout so much of the company. Vince McMahon seems to want to have a fully-fledged drama on his hands, but for it to be effective his writing team can't have a little change here or there. Change needs to pervade throughout every character, story, and facet of the promotion in order to produce the most compelling television possible. Instead of having three entertaining segments per Raw that are surrounded by match after match of filler.

It's true that characters can get by without evolution. Rey Mysterio has hardly changed his act over the years and still has an immediate connection with WWE's fanbase (when he's not injured). John Cena has carried the company on his shoulders since 2005 with zero character change whatsoever. Yet they would certainly be more interesting (and profitable, for that matter) if they actually did change themselves, wouldn't they? Would you rather invest in a dominant Cena who plows through every opponent, or a Cena who is down on his luck, losing matches, and finds a way to slowly overcome his adversity and improve himself for the better?

Insert every single WWE storyline into a professional TV drama setting with expert writers and the intensity of these rivalries would only increase, free from the restraints of typical wrestling conventions. It's time the product matured from segments that always end with a wrestler distracting someone by standing at the top of the stage and doing nothing or hitting them with a chair behind the referee's back.

The only reason the John Cenas and Rey Mysterios of the company have had any entertaining programs over the last several years are because they participate in a solid story arc with a fresh character that evolves over time (like Rey Mysterio and the "Un-Dashing" Cody Rhodes or Cena and the post-Pipebomb promo Punk). Watching Big Show do the same match over and over again against different opponents before getting a title shot would not draw as much money as Big Show facing off against an old tag team partner that turned heel on him. Neither would sell as well as Big Show being turned on by an old tag team partner and being taken out of action, returning with a vengeance and a new drive to take out the guy who took him out.

The better the evolution, the more intriguing the story is, but WWE ignores this idea, especially with the undercard. Unlike most television shows, WWE programming features essentially an ensemble cast. While there's certainly a hierarchy to the importance of talent on the show, even lower-card wrestlers need to hold the attention of the audience in their respective segments. And because of this, they need to have more than one-dimensional characters and/or one-dimensional stories in play. That's why the mid-card today is so unbearable. If WWE is going to have a story-driven product, then there needs to be actual attention given to the whole roster.

Instead of featuring in-depth characters and dramatic scenes, McMahon instead throws out meaningless talents in Even Steven booked matches where nothing gains any momentum. Maybe it's just that WWE is incapable of producing multiple complex, engaging narratives. Evolution is a necessity in storytelling, but not all change is necessarily good. WWE Creative either isn't allowed to, isn't capable of, or the infrastructure is not there to provide intriguing storylines with fully multidimensional characters and one clear story arc for a three-hour show.

Instead, in the few times that they do attempt to show their creative muscle, they focus on only one or two major arcs that are terribly written half the time and are filled with plot inconsistencies. Triple H certainly evolved a lot over the last several months, and it was perhaps to the detriment of the company, with the heel authority figure taking center stage every week on television when he's not positioned to actually main event pay-per-views. Does anyone really think that shows like "Breaking Bad" would feature plot devices as inane as the Big Show lawsuit? You know, after he was fired from his job where he had an iron-clad contract? Or having three side plots on one episode end with one character failing due to an enemy distracting them?

And, this is a serious comparison, too, because these are the shows that WWE is competing with. The show is a fictional representation of sports, yes, but it is still fiction. It is competing with both sides of the viewing spectrum (sports and fiction) and Vince McMahon needs to realize that. So instead of halfway writing dramatic material for Raw (like with Daniel Bryan's quest for the title, where his sports-esque rise to the main events was muddied by the drama-ridden McMahon power struggle), McMahon has a choice - either take a step back and go all the way in with character arcs, drama, and dedicating more time than ever to creating a logical and cohesive narrative, or do a 180 and go back to the basics of what made wrestling what it is. Because this mediocre excuse for programming can be so much more than what it is.

In today's TV world, people really do notice issues like small plot inconsistencies that WWE features every week. They must either change their standards to adapt to the changing and maturing times for TV, or be lost in the shuffle. While they aren't on a course to doom, they aren't performing at an acceptable level for TV writing.

WWE has to change. They don't have an option.
 
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Regarding the plans for the unification angle that I've heard:

The guy who I heard this from had been talking about a unification for weeks before all the parts began to fall into place and the actual angle began. He even mentioned that Cena and Orton would be two big players in it, as well as the whole 'Face of the WWE' being the backdrop for things.

The plan/intention has always been to unify the titles, but that the stop at TLC would be the first mile of a long road.

The finish at TLC would result in both Cena and Orton grabbing each others titles. Cena will then challenge Orton to a rematch at the Rumble, but Orton will decline. Triple H will side with Orton (presumably as he is the Authority's chosen guy), so it may seem as though a unificiation will now be off the cards. Haitch will give then give Cena an opportunity to get what he wants (another shot at Orton to unify the titles), but he will have to do it the old way by winning the Rumble. Cena wins the Rumble, goes to Mania and the titles will be unified there.

So far, mostly everything I've heard has panned out in one way or another, but I'm seriously hoping this is not what they finally decide to go with to play out this unification angle, because it's a tried, tested and failed formula that just plain out blows.

What gives me some hope that they may have changed tact is Haitch seemingly adamant that he wants an undisputed champion going into the new year.

I know most of us have already thought about and discussed the title swapping possibility on the forum, but with the dirtsheets now picking up on it, it seems to give it some credibility.



great so if this is true, we not only get a long boring as **** build up but we get to see the company boy cena get another mania main event win, but have him match austins number of rumble wins along with doing it back to back:doh:

seriously how the hell are they so blind, but again they run a billion dollar company and i'm a freelance photographer so what do it know :whatever:
 
Regarding the plans for the unification angle that I've heard:

The guy who I heard this from had been talking about a unification for weeks before all the parts began to fall into place and the actual angle began. He even mentioned that Cena and Orton would be two big players in it, as well as the whole 'Face of the WWE' being the backdrop for things.

The plan/intention has always been to unify the titles, but that the stop at TLC would be the first mile of a long road.

The finish at TLC would result in both Cena and Orton grabbing each others titles. Cena will then challenge Orton to a rematch at the Rumble, but Orton will decline. Triple H will side with Orton (presumably as he is the Authority's chosen guy), so it may seem as though a unificiation will now be off the cards. Haitch will give then give Cena an opportunity to get what he wants (another shot at Orton to unify the titles), but he will have to do it the old way by winning the Rumble. Cena wins the Rumble, goes to Mania and the titles will be unified there.

So far, mostly everything I've heard has panned out in one way or another, but I'm seriously hoping this is not what they finally decide to go with to play out this unification angle, because it's a tried, tested and failed formula that just plain out blows.

What gives me some hope that they may have changed tact is Haitch seemingly adamant that he wants an undisputed champion going into the new year.

I know most of us have already thought about and discussed the title swapping possibility on the forum, but with the dirtsheets now picking up on it, it seems to give it some credibility.


All of that sounds exactly like what the WWE would do.
 
With the way things are now, I can't help thinking it may only have been to get Reigns over credibly with the view for him to become 'the guy' in the future, considering he's had two quality guys to learn and feed off of. It'll be interesting to see how each of them are booked when they eventually go solo.

I'm not as angry about this, I'm a huge fan of Ambrose and Rollins , but if WWE must push their big man agenda then I'm glad they chose Reigns.
 
great so if this is true, we not only get a long boring as **** build up but we get to see the company boy cena get another mania main event win, but have him match austins number of rumble wins along with doing it back to back:doh:

seriously how the hell are they so blind, but again they run a billion dollar company and i'm a freelance photographer so what do it know :whatever:

What's also dumb about this is: WHAT THE HELL IS SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN AT ELIMINATION CHAMBER 2014!?
 
In brighter news, The Shield is deemed Rookie of The Year on WWE.com and rightfully so.

I usually laugh when WWE do these "awards" but this is one of the few times I agree. The Shield has been part of the best In-ring action this year.

Even though Ambrose and Rollins were in FCW/NXT and have been wrestling for 9-10 years already.
 
With the way things are now, I can't help thinking it may only have been to get Reigns over credibly with the view for him to become 'the guy' in the future, considering he's had two quality guys to learn and feed off of. It'll be interesting to see how each of them are booked when they eventually go solo.

The way I see it, Reigns could be the next Rock/Cena/Hogan, Rollins the next Jericho/Punk/Savage and Ambrose the next Edge/Orton/Piper.
 
I'm taking a voluntary break from WWE TV for the first time ever if WrestleMania 30 doesn't look good. I'll still watch other wrestling and keep up with news though.

I may do it after WM depending on what happens,It could look bad or good on paper but after I watch WM XXX I'll reevaluate my stance as a fan at least for WWE as I do every year after WM
 
I'm still going to Mania even if the card just looks "good". Luckily, there are other promotions coming to NOLA during WM30 Weekend that are sure to deliver. ROH especially because they've always delivered on Mania Weekend.
 
Though I'm considering quitting, I know WWE will use Summer booking as an "apology" somehow but during Fall and Winter I'll stick with WWE NXT exclusively until the torch is legitimately passed.
 
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