BvS Your thoughts from the new BvS trailer

[joeviterbo]

I thought the movie looks good still, but the trailer looked pretty bad... like bad edits of good scenes.

 

[KarkClent]

In fact, the one line I could have probably done without is the "If man won't kill God, the Devil will!!" I haven't decided if its his delivery or the line itself which makes him come across a bit too "mad scientist" for my taste -- but I'm leaning toward the former.

I think it's just chopped up and out of context. Notice how his "oldest lie in America" line is completely changed in this trailer.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Same thing. "Is she with you? No, I thought she's with you! Oops! She's with us!" So much for dramatic confrontation and grudge, that the trailers suggest.

Did you expect there to NOT be a team up which leads to JL? I mean, while watching A1 and enjoying the conflict between the characters before the Hellicarrier attack, the build up, the fight in the forest ect, did any of us REALLY think that they wouldn't come together by the end? Things can be totally obvious and telegraphed but still be effective and entertaining within the context of suspension of disbelief, which if we are honest with ourselves a CBM is usually going to operate under those circumstances.

Look... If we lived in a world where Nolan was allowed to kill Batman in TDKRises then I could get the complaint a little, but c'mon... All these films are working off the audience having certain assumptions going in, like the inevitable team up from two leads at odds.

 

[jokesonm3]

I liked Bruce's line about freaks dressed as clowns. All the dialogue seems improved over MoS, imo.

I can see why Jesse kept praising Terrio.

 

[Caekzor]

Editing sucked, but I had no problem with the actual content.

 

[KarkClent]

I liked Bruce's line about freaks dressed as clowns. All the dialogue seems improved over MoS, imo.

I agree with the praise for the dialogue, but MoS had some great stuff, too. I loved the scenes between Clark and either of his fathers. It's just a lot of the exposition and humor was less than artful. Hopefully Terrio cleaned that up in BvS.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I liked Bruce's line about freaks dressed as clowns. All the dialogue seems improved over MoS, imo.

Clark's retort should be, "Because freaks dressed as bats are so much better."

 

[OutOfBoose]

Did you expect there to NOT be a team up which leads to JL?
I mean, while watching A1 and enjoying the conflict between the characters before the Hellicarrier attack, the build up, the fight in the forest ect, did any of us REALLY think that they wouldn't come together by the end? Things can be totally obvious and telegraphed but still be effective and entertaining within the context of suspension of disbelief, which if we are honest with ourselves a CBM is usually going to operate under those circumstances.

It's nice that you brought up A1 as an example. Because it's exactly what they tried to copy with this scene, it seems. It's not a good thing.

Look... If we lived in a world where Nolan was allowed to kill Batman in TDKRises then I could get the complaint a little, but c'mon... All these films are working off the audience having certain assumptions going in, like the inevitable team up from two leads at odds.

I'm not against the team up. I'm against the delivery, that ruins the tone of the movie (or what they tried to establish in the previous trailer). Dark vs. light, god vs. man, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel. Suddenly, George Lucas jumps out of the corner and says "oops, I have a bad feeling about this!".

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

While everyone is free to like whatever they like, I got the distinct impression that many who defended and still defend MoS do so for the same reason Dubya bailed out the banks....it's too big/important to fail as the entirety of the DCCU was riding on it. And while I can understand that mentality I can't support it or agree with it.

Sorry. If you wonder why debates get heated in places like the Hype, this post is Exhibit A. Thanks for comparing myself and others to some controversial real world political issue. Thanks for implying I have no agency of my own when it comes to my likes and dislikes with DC characters (funny how I hate ARROW and SUPERGIRL, and didn't like the GL film, and didn't like TDKR and... but no, I am obviously to weak willed to form my own opinion... Even though liking MOS required a thick skin around these parts TIL THIS DAY...). No I think I and others like what we like because we like it.

 

[Silliminite]

I think it's just chopped up and out of context. Notice how his "oldest lie in America" line is completely changed in this trailer.

I think he says that line twice. Once in his goofy public demeanor when he first goes to meet Senator Finch and the second time in his own home, when Finch goes to see him. The difference between the two is the follow-up and the tone in which he says it.

 

[Tequilla]

I have a hard time understanding how can it look so bad.

 

[lukebrodyg]

I didn't care for this trailer. I thought it started off strong with the confrontation but then it dwindled into "okay...stop showing me this much" territory and finally sealed it with the "Doomsday" reveal. I think, more than anything, that was a decision to reinforce how much WW will help them. A part of me thinks it's a sad attempt to show how strong women will be in the DCU...

Overall, I'm less excited now. But, it's just a movie.

 

[KarkClent]

I'm not against the team up. I'm against the delivery, that ruins the tone of the movie (or what they tried to establish in the previous trailer). Dark vs. light, god vs. man, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel. Suddenly, George Lucas jumps out of the corner and says "oops, I have a bad feeling about this!".

I think you're worrying a little too much at this point. Those themes from the first trailers were setting up the conflict between Batman and Superman. That will obviously be resolved by the time they fight Doomsday. At that point, they may have a good reason for the change in mood. Superman has presumably never had an ally he could fight alongside like he can here. And Batman seems to have been in a bad place for a long time since whatever happened to Robin. If Doomsday murders a bunch of people or something and they start joking then, yeah, but that is not seen in the trailer.

 

[TheFuture]

I didn't care for this trailer. I thought it started off strong with the confrontation but then it dwindled into "okay...stop showing me this much" territory and finally sealed it with the "Doomsday" reveal. I think, more than anything, that was a decision to reinforce how much WW will help them. A part of me thinks it's a sad attempt to show how strong women will be in the DCU...

Overall, I'm less excited now. But, it's just a movie.

Eh, it's Wonder Woman. What else were you expecting?

 

[Aejej]

Felt natural to me. They aren't making jokes. It's just a funny situation.

Pulling off 'MCU' would be if they addressed her as Xena or something.

TONY: I like the view from here.

STEVE: I thought you got laid already.

TONY: All this fighting gets me hot and bothered. [Grabs iron crotch.]

NATASHA: Boys, boys. This isn't Tony's old box of VHS compilations standing in front of us. A little respect, please.

 

[matt47]

For months people complain about 'wanting to see the villian of the piece, show us the trinity, ooh give us clark & bruce meeting' etc., they are given it, it's then, 'you showed us too much'. Can't have it both ways people.

Personally, I thought it worked and Lex is going to be what we wanted in an interpretation of this era.

I keep seeing people comment this and it's stupid man. The people saying they wanted those things aren't the ones complaining now.

 

[KarkClent]

I think he says that line twice. Once in his goofy public demeanor when he first goes to meet Senator Finch and the second time in his own home, when Finch goes to see him. The difference between the two is the follow-up and the tone in which he says it.

Trailers frequently chop up and rearrange dialogue. They also use alternate line readings. You could be right, though.

 

[Aejej]

It's nice that you brought up A1 as an example. Because it's exactly what they tried to copy with this scene, it seems. It's not a good thing.

I'm not against the team up. I'm against the delivery, that ruins the tone of the movie (or what they tried to establish in the previous trailer). Dark vs. light, god vs. man, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel. Suddenly, George Lucas jumps out of the corner and says "oops, I have a bad feeling about this!".

You're being way too hard on that last exchange between Superman and Batman. It's about as "MCU" as Swanwick's line from the end of MoS ("Are you stupid?!)

Meaning, not really.

(If anything, it looks like the Russos are borrowing quite a few Batman-isms for their two Captain America films.)

 

[flickchick85]

(If anything, it looks like the Russos are borrowing quite a few Batman-isms for their two Captain America films.)

TWS was pure Captain America. Anyone who's read Ed Brubaker's run on the character can attest to that. Batman movies didn't invent seriousness.

 

[Silliminite]

Trailers frequently chop up and rearrange dialogue. They also use alternate line readings. You could be right, though.

 

[Aejej]

TWS was pure Captain America. Anyone who's read Ed Brubaker's run on the character can attest to that. Batman movies didn't invent seriousness.

I didn't say that. But the Russos clearly like Nolan's style, enough to even emulate the guy-in-the-street motif, which Nolan expertly crafted with Batman and Joker. Then there's Ross' remark analogizing Cap's heroic activities to "vigilantism" in the Civil War trailer. And so on.

 

[db85usa]

Interestingly, the wreckage at the end in the background with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman -- look behind WW and it is the same exact wreckage Batman comes out of in the very first BvS teaser where we get our first glimpse of him.

 

[Neonzel]

I knew those things in the Dream sequence looked familiar

 

[Batmannerism]

Okay, it's a movie called Batman v Superman, the trailer has Batman and Superman in it, fighting each other, and then Doomsday shows up at the end, as does Wonder Woman.

And some people are like. "Oh man, it gave too much away!"

Hello ? Did you not read the title ? When Batman and Superman meet in the comics what happens, there's fighting, bad guys and occasionally WW shows up. None of this should be surprising for anyone who's picked up a Superman or JL comic in the last 40 years or so.

What did people think was going to happen in the film ?

I mean, it's not Shakespeare, or a deep, meaningful drama - it's a movie about a guy who dresses up like a bat, and his frenemy who flies, wears a red cape and shoots laser beams from his eyes......

I think people's expectations are wayyy out of proportion to what the genre is all about, but that's just IMO.

As for me, I loved it. Seeing the trinity together onscreen, man that was a goosebump moment - and "is she with you?" seeing Bats and Supes share a joke means it's all going to work out okay - what more could you ask?

Yup, more excited about this flick than ever. Nice trailer Snyder, very nice indeed !

 

[flickchick85]

I didn't say that. But the Russos clearly like Nolan's style, enough to even emulate the guy-in-the-street motif, which Nolan expertly crafted with Batman and Joker. Then there's Ross' remark analogizing Cap's heroic activities to "vigilantism" in the Civil War trailer. And so on.

That's basic superhero movie cliches, though. Both Marvel and DC properties inspire each other. It's a constant cycle.