Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 4

[BatLobster]

It truly is bizarre that Snyder carried on with the morose, unsure and cynical Superman in BvS.

Not only is it unappealing, it's uninteresting in terms of thematics. Especially when he's in conflict with Batman.

Yup, after seeing JL it seems all the more clear that Superman should have been more of the fully formed, classic Superman in BvS. Even with the way Man of Steel ended, it seemed to set things up for that.

We really missed out on a great contrast/dynamic between Bats and Supes by making them both sulking and angry. I still don't even think it should have been a VS movie, but that's another story.

 

[Mysteryman]

How was it cringe?

I liked it too.
But, I had no doubt that I was going to come here and someone was going to say how terrible the song was.

 

[MbJ]

It truly is bizarre that Snyder carried on with the morose, unsure and cynical Superman in BvS.

Not only is it unappealing, it's uninteresting in terms of thematics. Especially when he's in conflict with Batman.

A great many people have commented that the idealogical conflict in BVS would've been far more compelling (as well as would have made way more sense) if it had been the version of Superman we got in this movie instead.

 

[Infinity9999x]

A great many people have commented that the idealogical conflict in BVS would've been far more compelling (as well as would have made way more sense) if it had been the version of Superman we got in this movie instead.

True. While I've always been more of a fan of Batman solo as opposed to part of the JLU, but when he is with other heroes, what makes it interesting is seeing the conflict in his worldview vs the others.

That should have been the backbone of a Batman vs Superman movie...instead we got one depressed cynical hero vs. a really depressed cynical, and slightly psychotic hero.

The Arrow/Flash crossover understood this better.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I enjoyed film but I feel warner brothers should have just let snyder release his cut of film.so obvious basicly every scene with superman was redone by whedon.

we will find out soone enough more on justice league after it underperforming the trugh of what was done by whedon.

 

[dougal]

This breaks my heart.

Actually it makes me think he was fired. If they did not even ask him to see the final version of the film, do you really think WB cares about his opinions?

 

[spider-neil]

I really hope this is the last of Snyder and the DC Universe.
He honestly has no idea of story telling, characterization or pacing. The guy is a total hack. Let him migrate to TV.

 

[Boom]

This is a laugh riot to me.

So despite BvS crashing and burning, they let Zack Snyder make another Zack Snyder movie. WB acts shocked when he delivers a Zack Snyder movie, then promptly fires him and brings in another director with completely different filmmaking sensibilities to reshoot a good chunk of the movie.

 

[Infinity9999x]

This is a laugh riot to me.

So despite BvS crashing and burning, they let Zack Snyder make another Zack Snyder movie. Then WB acts shocked when he delivers a Zack Snyder movie, then promptly fires him and brings in another director with completely different filmmaking sensibilities to reshoot a good chunk of the movie.

I mean, before we jump to conclusions, I think we need to keep in mind the circumstances.

And let me preface this; I have not liked any of Synder's DC films. I think MOS was meh, and BVS was bad. I very much disliked it and thought it displayed a clear lack of understanding of any of the characters--both the original cut and the extended edition.

However, Synder left the film after his daughter committed suicide. Yes, he hasn't seen the finished product, but I would imagine that has less to do with WB not inviting him, and more to do with Synder not necessarily wanting to look at the project that will now forever and always remind him of what is probably the hardest event he's had to go through in his life.

So I still doubt that WB fired him off of JL...which for the record, I think was foolish. I think they should have gotten rid of him after BvS. But given the way things played out, it looks much more likely that Zach just left to deal with the tragedy that his family had to experience.

 

[The Shape]

I wholeheartedly believe that Zack Snyder's Justice League would have been a much better and more interesting film than whatever the hell was released in theaters this weekend.

 

[Superchan]

Speaking only for myself while I dis Snyder's work all the time - and make no apologies for it - I never insulted the guy personally, simply because I don't know him and also from what I've heard he's one heck of a nice guy whose is beloved by ALL those who worked with them.
Infact I think his easy going nature is why WB has stuck with him even after all the financial flops and disappointments he delivered them after 300.

With all that being said, I think the blame lies solely with WB for giving the man who thought superman 'was too earnest' a superman movie. Although maybe it's because Snyder was the only director who accepted Goyer and Nolan's take on superman, who knows!
But after the disappointment of MOS, WB rewarded him with the keys to the DCEU and that was just asinine IMO and now they're paying for it with dividends.
Hopefully WB have learned from WW that getting a good director like Patty Jenkins who actually loves the concept of superheros is a good idea and not a director who thinks that 2 iconic characters having a conversation while wearing their iconic suits is just silly.

 

[Seahawksfan]

This is a laugh riot to me.

So despite BvS crashing and burning, they let Zack Snyder make another Zack Snyder movie. Then WB acts shocked when he delivers a Zack Snyder movie, then promptly fires him and brings in another director with completely different filmmaking sensibilities to reshoot a good chunk of the movie.

As Einstein put it, “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” WB is insane.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I wholeheartedly believe that Zack Snyder's Justice League would have been a much better and more interesting film than whatever the hell was released in theaters this weekend.

Going off BvS, I would be intensely skeptical of that idea. But you never know.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I wholeheartedly believe that Zack Snyder's Justice League would have been a much better and more interesting film than whatever the hell was released in theaters this weekend.

This, not seen JL yet but it sounds like a Frankenstein movie with all different parts added together to make an ugly whole. If you hire Snyder just let him make his movie and release it.

 

[Arachnerd]

Going off BvS, I would be intensely skeptical of that idea. But you never know.

As I've stated before, at the very least we would have gotten a more cohesive movie rather than the messed up hybrid we got.

 

[Infinity9999x]

As I've stated before, at the very least we would have gotten a more cohesive movie rather than the messed up hybrid we got.

Batman and Robin is a cohesive film. It exists within one unified vision, but I wouldn't consider it good.

I didn't think BvS was as bad as B&R to be clear...but I did find it harder to watch and much more disappointing. And it misunderstood it's main characters even more than B&R did. B&R was at least true to one era of Batman comics. The era of comics Synder was trying to emulate he didn't capture well.

At the end of the day, I think it's clear WB just went with the wrong guy to helm this world. Or they needed to have a figure overseeing him from the beginning to reign in and guide him.

 

[Arachnerd]

I didn't say cohesive equaled quality, though.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I didn't say cohesive equaled quality, though.

This is true. I suppose at the end of the day I'm not sure if it would have made much difference. And I don't think WB asked Snyder to leave, I honestly think he left of his own volition after the tragedy with his daughter.

But even if we existed in a world where he never left, I think we'd largely end up with the same result. Synder showed that after MOS he wasn't interested in trying to address many of the tonal issues people had with it. He doubled down on most of them, and the dissatisfaction with BvS is what is largely contributing to JL's poor opening weekend.

What will be interesting to see is what happens from here and what WB does with the DCEU. I think it's safe to say that Synder will no longer be involved though.

 

[Arachnerd]

Yeah, he's pretty much done.

 

[TheVileOne]

They should've let Snyder go after BvS delay it several months and find a new director.

 

[Raiden]

They should've let Snyder go after BvS delay it several months and find a new director.

I think JL was already shooting by that time and it was too late to just fire him and get another director, even though WB eventually replaced him with Whedon anyway.

 

[Infinity9999x]

They should've let Snyder go after BvS delay it several months and find a new director.

Yeah. As Raiden said, I believe it was already filming.

Which again, just goes to show how much DC was rushing this, instead of taking their time to carefully plan and really lay the groundwork. You can bet that if Thor and Cap had tanked at Marvel, we wouldn't have gotten an Avengers flick. Or at the very least, they would have gone back to the drawing board and really thought through some things.

DC didn't give themselves an opportunity to do that. They shot themselves in the foot.

 

[jmc]

They should've let Snyder go after BvS delay it several months and find a new director.

They cancelled Justice League Mortal a week or two before principle photography was to begin. The issue is I think WB thought they could push through BvS and make changes to JL on the fly. But that’s no way to make a movie.

 

[OdinSon]

I think JL was already shooting by that time and it was too late to just fire him and get another director, even though WB eventually replaced him with Whedon anyway.

No JL wasn't shooting when BVS was released. The shooting started two weeks later.

 

[jmart]

Now that I’ve seen the movie, I think it was Affleck who said it was 15%-20% Whedon? I’m guessing it’s the opposite.

Again, just guessing, it feels like Warners gave Snyder $250 million to make his movie. They saw it, hated it, called Whedon and asked, “Hey, can you make a Justice League movie for $50 million? We’ll give you all the green screen and bad wigs (Amy Adams) you need. By the way, you have four months. Sound good?” And he of course said yes.

Warners fudged something with the DGA.