Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 6

[Infinity9999x]

For your first comment regarding "good film" that's subjective so i won't go over that really. As to the rest, i get the point you're trying to drive across but those are bad examples. Historical romantic love story with heartthrob Leonardo Dicaprio and the other is the sequel to an acclaimed movie with the biggest villain of them all, the Joker. That combined with Heath Ledger's performance and passing just made this an even bigger hit. And compared to BvS thematic tones, TDK was lighter and more fun. Batman v Superman was politically charged, a conflicted "god" a vengeful murderous Batman (which was never show on screen like this) and the death of the hero character. Not exactly a film i would take my kids to see and i'm sure they wouldn't ask either.

True. Though most of the top grossing films have high scores from critics and audiences...avatar being one of the exceptions, though critics weren’t as harsh as people now are on the film, and it had the technical achievement.

As for TDK and Titanic, I think they both still apply. Yes they had other circumstances, but almost all the films in the top 10 have specific instances for why they were mega hits. The points still stand that neither was what you would call a happy film, and both had content that would have encourage parents to keep young children away from the films.

 

[kguillou]

I think years down the line people will look upon the "Zack Snyder era" of comic book movies as probably one of the most interesting turning points in CBM history. Yes, its undeniable, a lot of people didn't like the films and it divided the fanbase and there are lots of legitimate reasons why people had problems with the movies. But, imo, its also undeniable that his movies scratched an itch that a significant sect of comic book fans had for a long time. I'm not as rabid a Snyder fan as some others may be but I remember watching Man of Steel and feeling like I had been given something I didn't even know I wanted in a superhero movie. Something with a little bit more grit, edge and epic stakes to it, not to mention some of the most visually spectacular set pieces I'd ever seen in a film, period.

It was just cool having a director who wasn't afraid to go against the grain and upset people and have us ask some tough questions about these characters that we've coveted for so so long. I think that was his intent all along, to make movies that disturbed the status quo of superheroes, and well, I think he actually succeeded in that respect. But, in doing so he undeniably alienated a good section of comic book fans who love these characters and felt hurt by what he was doing, and even though I've long defended these movies I can absolutely see why someone would watch BvS and feel his or her heart being broken by what they're witnessing onscreen. MoS and BvS are tough movies to digest and really demand multiple watches to see what angle Zack is coming from.

Anyway, I just think it was cool to have a counterbalance, a disturbance in the force if you will. Such a risk with characters like these will never ever be attempted again, that's for sure.

 

[Micromind]

Ehh, in theaters BvS made less than TDK or TDKR, and it had th added bonus of two of the most famous superhero’s in the world together for the first time. And it had some of the biggest drops for blockbusters from week to week.

I was just saying that BvS made $ 873 mil. at Box Office, you don't have to compare it with TDK, I know it should have earned lot more. But still, $ 873 mil. is lot of money, for a movie that got a barrage of negative reviews and was considered divisive.

Since BvS was (in a way) sequel to 'divisive' movie like MoS, some argue that it should have suffered from 'Tombraider trap' that basically means that it's Box Office should have seen a drop of 40 % (or 45 %) of what MoS earned. Clearly it defied those expectations by a wide margin.

While I don’t think the genera public hated the film at all, many clearly had an issue with it. We’ve seen what a popular Batman movie can do when it’s well made, BvS came in under the previous two Batman solo films. With the addition of more expensive tickets and 3D. .

This movie was not made keeping wide demographic in mind to appease the fan-base who wanted to see 'Heroic' nature of these characters.

Previous Batman movies were designed to show him in a positive light, which was one of the reasons why BvS movie was considered divisive among fans.

The film was going to make a lot of money regardless, but it clearly did not do what WB wanted it to do, or what it should have done. Popular characters will always sell to an extent. Spider-Man 3 had a big opening too.

Why do you bring Spider-Man 3 into discussion ? That movie did well, and I still believe that Sony could have made a Spider-Man 4 with Rami, with Vulture as a villain, it was certainly not a failure by any means except for the fact hat Sony was clueless (as always).

The home sales definitely show that people still have an interest in it, so it’s certainly not universally panned. The article that others shared earlier made a good point. The film that Synder made was a deconstruction of the characters...but you have to build your characters before you tear them down. It just was too much too fast. Personally I didn’t care for the take, but it’s clear some certainly enjoy the film. I won’t deny that.

O.K.

But I also think it’s not accurate to try and pretend the general public didn’t have an issue either. Spider-man 3’s dvd sales exceed all the films listed in this post, and I don’t think that’s indicative that the genera public loves that film.

I have already said that BvS wa a divisive movie, Critics were not happy, so many people had 'issues' with the movie, some posters here (like yourself) don't appear to be fan of the movie but some fans exist.

But, no one should generalize what public thinks of the film though, the reception to this movie is 'mixed'.

Stating numbers of DVD sales not pretending, but you think general audience don't love S-M 3, now who is stating opinion as a fact ?

 

[Infinity9999x]

I think years down the line people will look upon the "Zack Snyder era" of comic book movies as probably one of the most interesting turning points in CBM history. Yes, its undeniable, a lot of people didn't like the films and it divided the fanbase and there are lots of legitimate reasons why people had problems with the movies. But, imo, its also undeniable that his movies scratched an itch that a significant sect of comic book fans had for a long time. I'm not as rabid a Snyder fan as some others may be but I remember watching Man of Steel and feeling like I had been given something I didn't even know I wanted in a superhero movie. Something with a little bit more grit, edge and epic stakes to it, not to mention some of the most visually spectacular set pieces I'd ever seen in a film, period.

It was just cool having a director who wasn't afraid to go against the grain and upset people and have us ask some tough questions about these characters that we've coveted for so so long. I think that was his intent all along, to make movies that disturbed the status quo of superheroes, and well, I think he actually succeeded in that respect. But, in doing so he undeniably alienated a good section of comic book fans who love these characters and felt hurt by what he was doing, and even though I've long defended these movies I can absolutely see why someone would watch BvS and feel his or her heart being broken by what they're witnessing onscreen. MoS and BvS are tough movies to digest and really demand multiple watches to see what angle Zack is coming from.

Anyway, I just think it was cool to have a counterbalance, a disturbance in the force if you will. Such a risk with characters like these will never ever be attempted again, that's for sure.

Honestly, on my end, it wasn’t so much the ideas that he played with, but how he executed them. To be fair, I’m simply not a fan of many of the interpretations he went with, but I also felt like I had seen the ideas he was trying to present done in much better ways in other stories.

Still, I do agree that he deserves credit for following his own unique vision and taking risks. Even though I disliked BvS, I’ll never hold it at the same level as some of the bad comic films that were clearly studio mandated to be as safe and cookie cutter as possible simply to make money. Synder did his own thing, and he was always trying his best to stay true to his own vision.

As for risk taking in Superhero films, I actually think we’re entering a golden age in terms of risk taking. Some of the biggest superhero flicks of the past few years have been risks that have expanded the genre. Logan, Deadpool, Ragnorok, Wonder Woman and now Black Panther (because sadly studio heads still viewed female or POC lead blockbusters as risks) It’s a good time to be a comic fan.

 

[Micromind]

Ironically, Superman is one property that needs to play it safe and go with 'crowd pleasing' stories that show him as a Boy Scout.

But, I fear they audience tastes might be changing and people might find 'heroic' Superman as boring, in a way WB missed the Bus, they should have made a heroic Superman movie (as a sequel to MoS) back when Captain America Winter Soldier was made (in 2014), lol.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Heroic, boyscout Superman is still good. If you make a good movie about him.

Nothing is cheesy if you do it well. Even today people will rally behind a boyscout Superman in the same way they rallied behind Wonder Woman in her movie. But it has to be a good to great, crowdpleasing, highly entertaining film, there's no way around that.

Like Patty Jenkins said, it's all about sincerity.

I think the door for this was wide open after Man of Steel (a movie I love) But then we got BvS.

 

[Consona]

 

[king666]

lots of self-awareness

"the tragic hero" lmfao

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

The Confidants son being decapitated is the fans.

 

[Consona]

 

[GothamBat]

 

[idiot09]

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[GothamBat]

Ok jokes aside I don't think it's a coincidence for him to have posted that "Snyder cut" on vero. It's either him hinting that it's coming to eagle-eyed fans or it's a strange and kind of mean s--tpost. Obviously he can't reveal it's coming until the Whedon cut is done selling on blu ray.

 

[Black Narcissus]

lots of self-awareness

"the tragic hero" lmfao

Clay Enos liked and agreed with that meme, so there is some truth to it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ok jokes aside I don't think it's a coincidence for him to have posted that "Snyder cut" on vero. It's either him hinting that it's coming to eagle-eyed fans or it's a strange and kind of mean s--tpost. Obviously he can't reveal it's coming until the Whedon cut is done selling on blu ray.

I really hope you are right about it being a big hint we are getting the Snyder cut.

 

[Arachnerd]

Alex Jones would be proud, guys.

 

[GothamBat]

Alex Jones would be proud, guys.

c'mooon... you think him posting that "Snyder cut" image was a coincidence? Maybe it's just a s--tpost like I said, but I seriously doubt it's coincidental.

 

[Arachnerd]

GothamBat, you should know by now that I'm quite the joker.

But yeah, it is an interesting 'tweet'.

 

[GothamBat]

GothamBat, you should know by now that I'm quite the joker.

 

[Jericholyte]

Would it not simply confirm that they did cut out the black-suited superman?

 

[Micromind]

Building that got damaged in Doomsday's battle with Superman, is shown in JL.

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[heatvision38]

Building that got damaged in Doomsday's battle with Superman, is shown in JL.

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Details.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Building that got damaged in Doomsday's battle with Superman, is shown in JL.

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Cool!

 

[Polux]

One of my favorite parts of the whole sequence, is at the end when Clark embraces Lois and you have this open shot of them embracing and the city in the back, and you see the sun reflecting in a building right in the middle of the show; as the sun rises, he comes to his senses. Lois is the key.

Also, with all of Clark's speaking parts being add-ons by Whedon after the fact, Clark is actually confused/disoriented in the Snyder version; adding those lines just make Clark look bad, as if they wanted to make him look purposely, ambiguously "evil", which was completely unnecessary...it only makes him look like being resentful is part of his nature, which is of course not (as seen in the previous movies).

I just love the poetic symmetry of having the fight start in the dark (with a confused Superman) and with the sunrise coming to him (and I say this as equaling the sun to Lois' importance to Clark) he comes back to us.