Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 6

[GothamBat]

Dude we both know thats not true. Apart from a couple of scenes maybe...none of his scenes looked Snyder-ish. The most blatant were the inserts, which looked noticeably horrible.

From what i've heard the underwater scene is actually a combination of Snyder, Whedon and Wan. But when they changed to Whedon's reshoots its noticeable because its usually a closeup(cause they dont want to show Momoa shirtless) and Momoa's face looks a bit weird.

Hmmm that's right Wan pitched in too. I forgot about that. Gives me some confidence that he'll keep the Snyder aesthetic for his movie. Well, like I said, I don't find that scene of the guard turning the scapegoat Luthor around in his cell to be very Snydery so my point stands. What about the opening Batman scene? did that not fool you even for a second when you first saw the movie?

 

[idiot09]

Hmmm that's right Wan pitched in too. I forgot about that. Gives me some confidence that he'll keep the Snyder aesthetic for his movie. Well, like I said, I don't find that scene of the guard turning the scapegoat Luthor around in his cell to be very Snydery so my point stands. What about the opening Batman scene? did that not fool you even for a second when you first saw the movie?

That and the lake-side scene were the only two scenes that had me fooled. Not the rest of his scenes and inserts. Do I think Whedon could have done a better job? Yes. He either didnt want to, was told not to, or was just too lazy.

And I honestly dont want Wan to do a Snyder impression. I love the look of his Conjuring films, and would love if he could bring his horror aesthetic to Aquaman.

 

[Micromind]

When the Batman did that backflip, I knew it was not Snyder.

 

[Jekecy]

Bro, face it. Its a Zack Snyder film. Its bound to be divisive to a certain extent. The people who will criticise WB for being dumb with JL, are already doing it. I think releasing it, is a step in the right direction. They did the whole apology tour for bloggers last summer, so its not completely out of question.

Direction to what? Unless the Snydercut comes with a press release denouncing Whedon's version and them begging people to retroactively fit Snyder's cut back into continuity/canon, this whole thing is a one-off and dead end.

 

[GothamBat]

Don't worry about it man, maybe I didn't express myself clearly.

Man, there's so many good bits in that Aquaman spot, you can even see Atlan's body behind Arthur....

Right? And Arthur hitching a ride on that pickup truck. That's the coat he wears in the epilogue, not the fur-collared one he wears during his confrontation with Bruce, so that was going to be part of Arthur's last scenes in the movie where he meets Mera on the coast. None of that jumping out of the water like a dolphin crap

I like how this movie has made small time detectives out of all of us.

 

[Micromind]

That and the lake-side scene were the only two scenes that had me fooled. Not the rest of his scenes and inserts. Do I think Whedon could have done a better job? Yes. He either didnt want to, was told not to, or was just too lazy.

And I honestly dont want Wan to do a Snyder impression. I love the look of his Conjuring films, and would love if he could bring his horror aesthetic to Aquaman.

Whedon didn't have much time (choosing what scenes needed rewrites, reducing the run-time, writing the scenes, shooting them, having to fulfill Studio's demands) and budget (which compelled him to use Green screen for most part) and the required talented team of Cinematographer, stunt guys, make-up people..

Also, the rest of shoddy work was done by VfX people and Danny Elfman.

 

[idiot09]

Direction to what? Unless the Snydercut comes with a press release denouncing Whedon's version and them begging people to retroactively fit Snyder's cut back into continuity/canon, this whole thing is a one-off and dead end.

Direction where they honor their director's vision and not ignore what the fans are saying.

Look I'm one of the few guys here, that dont think the possibilities of it happening are too high, so I get your point. But I dont think its a total lose-lose for WB though. They have some incentive.

 

[GothamBat]

That and the lake-side scene were the only two scenes that had me fooled. Not the rest of his scenes and inserts. Do I think Whedon could have done a better job? Yes. He either didnt want to, was told not to, or was just too lazy.

And I honestly dont want Wan to do a Snyder impression. I love the look of his Conjuring films, and would love if he could bring his horror aesthetic to Aquaman.

That lake-side scene is pretty good. I like Bruce's attitude. Dry, cynical and even kind of dark one-liners. "I know. That's how this works."

Wonder Woman clearly adopted the Snyder aesthetic, don't you think? I don't think having color grading and lighting that matches the rest of the universe would detract from Wan being able to put his stamp on the movie.

 

[Consona]

When the Batman did that backflip, I knew it was not Snyder.

Exactly! I remember so well seeing that and thinking immediately, "In totally no way was this Snyder".

 

[GothamBat]

Direction where they honor their director's vision and not ignore what the fans are saying.

Look I'm one of the few guys here, that dont think the possibilities of it happening are too high, so I get your point. But I dont think its a total lose-lose for WB though. They have some incentive.

I wouldn't even say incentive. I'd say they're obligated, lest they head for straight up brand suicide. Again, referring back to the pareto principle, it states that every business no matter how big or small relies on it's core 20% consumer/fanbase for 80% of it's profit. Look at the state the fanbase is in now. Disdain, anger and animosity towards WB from almost the entire fanbase. Hardcore boycotting attempts and absolutely no willingness to defend the brand or stand behind it in any way. This isn't going to just blow over. It just isn't.

 

[Micromind]

Direction to what? Unless the Snydercut comes with a press release denouncing Whedon's version and them begging people to retroactively fit Snyder's cut back into continuity/canon, this whole thing is a one-off and dead end.

They won't be using Snyder's continuity for JL, which is why I think 'Extended Cut' is more likely to be released with most of the Snyder shot scenes put back in which don't contradict what was shown in the theatrical cut, just add to it, like- world building scenes, quiet character moments and few fight scenes.

 

[GothamBat]

They won't be using Snyder's continuity for JL, which is why I think 'Extended Cut' is more likely to be released with most of the Snyder shot scenes put back in which don't contradict what was shown in the theatrical cut, just add to it, like- world building scenes, quiet character moments and few fight scenes.

Bear in mind that even if the Snyder cut is vastly different in content, it won't necessarily negate the point we're at now, continuity-wise. Let's say they re-introduce the STAR labs investigation, the Codex being integral to Superman's resurrection, The Knightmare stuff ect. By the end of it, Steppenwolf is defeated and the League is victorious. That's it, really. If it ended on a cliffhanger, or a "to be continued" then yeah I could see there being some reluctance. Especially since Aquaman picks up after the JL movie with the day having been saved and the invasion having been thwarted. But really, you can rearrange scenes and even completely change the content of the movie, and it still won't impede future movies or cause any kind of problem for the continuity. Just as long as the end point is the same.

 

[harlequinade]

Don't worry about it man, maybe I didn't express myself clearly.

Man, there's so many good bits in that Aquaman spot, you can even see Atlan's body behind Arthur....

took me two viewings because I was not looking behind him the first time, my eyes just didn't want to

That and the lake-side scene were the only two scenes that had me fooled. Not the rest of his scenes and inserts. Do I think Whedon could have done a better job? Yes. He either didnt want to, was told not to, or was just too lazy.

And I honestly dont want Wan to do a Snyder impression. I love the look of his Conjuring films, and would love if he could bring his horror aesthetic to Aquaman.

Conjuring films are so beautifully shot. Conjuring 2 cinematographer shot Aquaman so I am psyched, he also shot Flight and that opening scene there was insane

 

[kguillou]

I'm not gonna lie I was shocked at first when I learned the Batman intro was Whedon. The cinematography looked very Snyder-esque, just the visual way Gotham City was rendered looked like Snyder filmed it. But in retrospect the fight choreography is undoubtedly un-Snyder like.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[Jumpman]

Bear in mind that even if the Snyder cut is vastly different in content, it won't necessarily negate the point we're at now, continuity-wise. Let's say they re-introduce the STAR labs investigation, the Codex being integral to Superman's resurrection, The Knightmare stuff ect. By the end of it, Steppenwolf is defeated and the League is victorious. That's it, really. If it ended on a cliffhanger, or a "to be continued" then yeah I could see there being some reluctance. Especially since Aquaman picks up after the JL movie with the day having been saved and the invasion having been thwarted. But really, you can rearrange scenes and even completely change the content of the movie, and it still won't impede future movies or cause any kind of problem for the continuity. Just as long as the end point is the same.

And in Snyder’s version, the end point is literally the same.

 

[heatvision38]

You and me both Matt. There's so much to look forward to, if indeed it does happen.

Batman killing being addressed
Martha and Lois' original conversation
The league boarding the flying fox/getting ready in the flying fox
The knightmare being addressed
Darkseid
Cyborg's battle mode
Flash vs Parademons
Clark and Lois engagement
The extended 15 minute history lesson
The original hangar scene
The original third act battle
The original Old Bailey Wonder Woman action sequence
Extended sequence of Bruce looking for Arthur in Iceland
Deathstroke breaking Lex out of Arkham
John Cleese as Wintergreen (allegedly)
The Batman warehouse 2.0 scene
Parademons vs Atlantians battle
Extended Superman vs The League fight
Superman taking off and flying to Russia in what will probably be en epic first flight 2.0 scene
Lois' original ending monologue (my sig)
Vic's backstory with the football game and his mother's death
The league visiting the Batcave and meeting Alfred
Vulko
Arthur finding Atlan's dead body
STAR labs fight
The world mourning Superman and crime running rampant

Am I missing something?

• 
  The conclusion to the Superman story arc tonally consistent with the previous 2 movies so I can watch it as one story.

• Hans Zimmer/Junkie XL themes/score.

 

[GothamBat]

• 
  The conclusion to the Superman story arc tonally consistent with the previous 2 movies so I can watch it as one story.

• Hans Zimmer/Junkie XL themes/score.

Just imagining that gives me chills. I don't even like MOS much. I've come to appreciate it a lot in the last few years, especially with how Disney and Ketchup JL turned out. Anyway, I don't love MOS, but to watch Clark's journey unfold in an 8 hour trilogy sounds like something I'd do like once a year at least. Seeing Superman's journey go from revealing himself to the world and working alongside humanity to save it, to his dramatic lowpoint of self-doubt, hopelessness and self-sacrifice, to his triumphant return and him finally becoming Superman. All of it culminating in a slow-mo Superman shirt-rip...
All the complexity and nuance Snyder injected, all the complicated social and political themes explored, all the epic iconography. Man... Consona just ****ed reading this, that much I know.

Yes I did juxtapose those three pics to make it look like Clark turning around I like how just those three pics alligned convey Clark's arc from uncertainty, to doubt, to serenity.

 

[kguillou]

Just imagining that gives me chills. I don't even like MOS much. I've come to appreciate it a lot in the last few years, especially with how Disney and Ketchup JL turned out. Anyway, I don't love MOS, but to watch Clark's journey unfold in an 8 hour trilogy sounds like something I'd do like once a year at least. Seeing Superman's journey go from revealing himself to the world and working alongside humanity to save it, to his dramatic lowpoint of self-doubt, hopelessness and self-sacrifice, to his triumphant return and him finally becoming Superman. All of it culminating in a slow-mo Superman shirt-rip...
All the complexity and nuance Snyder injected, all the complicated social and political themes explored, all the epic iconography. Man... Consona just ****ed reading this, that much I know.

Yes I did juxtapose those three pics to make it look like Clark turning around I like how just those three pics alligned convey Clark's arc from uncertainty, to doubt, to serenity.

That's what I've really come to admire and appreciate about this whole trilogy Zack was trying to do. This three-movie Superhero origin story, it was a fascinating experiment but I guess not one people were willing to tolerate and its understandable why. I, myself wrestled with a lot of choices Zack made but came to love and appreciate them. I remember walking out of BvS disappointed and upset and then when I watched the UE for the first time I was elated and understood Zack's grand plan and vision for this story he was trying to tell.

Alas. I hope we can see the conclusion in its proper form, just for some closure. Then we can all move on and us fans will have this thing we can enjoy and talk about.

 

[GothamBat]

Apparently Jesse says he never had a bigger role in JL and they added some stuff to his role. Potentially the Legion of Doom thing?

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/j...hor-1202723448/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Polux]

I'm not gonna lie I was shocked at first when I learned the Batman intro was Whedon. The cinematography looked very Snyder-esque, just the visual way Gotham City was rendered looked like Snyder filmed it. But in retrospect the fight choreography is undoubtedly un-Snyder like.

Same here. I was very confused there, because although Gotham and the setting looked very Snyder-y, the fight lacked any weight and impact, I felt like it was "Snyder lite" in a sense.

Just imagining that gives me chills. I don't even like MOS much. I've come to appreciate it a lot in the last few years, especially with how Disney and Ketchup JL turned out. Anyway, I don't love MOS, but to watch Clark's journey unfold in an 8 hour trilogy sounds like something I'd do like once a year at least. Seeing Superman's journey go from revealing himself to the world and working alongside humanity to save it, to his dramatic lowpoint of self-doubt, hopelessness and self-sacrifice, to his triumphant return and him finally becoming Superman. All of it culminating in a slow-mo Superman shirt-rip...
All the complexity and nuance Snyder injected, all the complicated social and political themes explored, all the epic iconography. Man... Consona just ****ed reading this, that much I know.

Yes I did juxtapose those three pics to make it look like Clark turning around I like how just those three pics alligned convey Clark's arc from uncertainty, to doubt, to serenity.

 

[The Guard]

So Jesse Eisenberg said that there was no "Deathstroke breaks Lex Luthor out of prison" scene shot in a recent interview. That was one of the big "deleted scenes" rumored and supposedly confirmed. One wonders how many of the other rumored comic-book-goodness deleted scenes were true.

 

[Micromind]

Apparently Jesse says he never had a bigger role in JL and they added some stuff to his role. Potentially the Legion of Doom thing?

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/j...hor-1202723448/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

The end credits scene where Deathstroke meets Lex Luthor on a yacht is undoubtedly Snyder, so I guess Whedon added that 'fake' Luthor in Arkham scene, and I liked it. t:

 

[GothamBat]

Bear in mind that Ray said the reshoots were brief and minimal so it could just be Jesse towing the company line

 

[Jumpman]

Just imagining that gives me chills. I don't even like MOS much. I've come to appreciate it a lot in the last few years, especially with how Disney and Ketchup JL turned out. Anyway, I don't love MOS, but to watch Clark's journey unfold in an 8 hour trilogy sounds like something I'd do like once a year at least. Seeing Superman's journey go from revealing himself to the world and working alongside humanity to save it, to his dramatic lowpoint of self-doubt, hopelessness and self-sacrifice, to his triumphant return and him finally becoming Superman. All of it culminating in a slow-mo Superman shirt-rip...
All the complexity and nuance Snyder injected, all the complicated social and political themes explored, all the epic iconography. Man... Consona just ****ed reading this, that much I know.

Yes I did juxtapose those three pics to make it look like Clark turning around I like how just those three pics alligned convey Clark's arc from uncertainty, to doubt, to serenity.

Tuesday’s release day is just making me more frustrated with what happened. Especially when the fans have basically pieced together what Snyder’s version might’ve been and I don’t understand how it was “unwatchable.”