Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 8

[Erzengel]

GOTG 1 was $150 million budget as far as I remember, the sequel cost more but the first was a smash hit so that's expected. BP had already been introduced in the crazy popular CW and IM3 was the 3rd movie so was gonna have a bigger budget.

Disney Reveals Guardians Of The Galaxy Was Over Budget At $232 Million

I agree on CW but that was also a threequel after very successful predecessors. Marvel have been so much better in handling budgets and giving large ones to the right projects.

I think you have to make a bit of an exception for Superman because of his power set.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Disney Reveals Guardians Of The Galaxy Was Over Budget At $232 Million


I think you have to make a bit of an exception for Superman because of his power set.

Wow, did not know that about GOTG 1. It's still my favourite MCU movie of course.

I think a Superman movie can be done for $150 million. But to be fair as stated with MOS you can see the budget on the screen.

 

[Erzengel]

Affleck is never putting on a costume ever again. I think he’ll support the release of the snyder cut as much as he can but hes not suiting up again, hes made that clear. Henry seems ready to move on.

@DS80 I’m not saying your full of it, i think you’ve shown you know some stuff but you have to admit when you look at it objectively and not as a fan, it doesnt make sense for them to Zack Snyder the full reigns to the Justice League back after ALL this happened over the past 7 years and three divisive films that forced them butcher the third one.

Even if what he said is true, this was the issue with JL filming a month after the release of BvS. You really going to green light JL2 and 3 even before people watch Snyder's Cut of JL? I know Fantastic Beasts got 5 films right off the bat, but they weren't working on previously divisive films. Now they are stuck on the 3rd film that has had diminishing returns.

 

[divan]

I think you have to make a bit of an exception for Superman because of his power set.

Still, things like Krypton's depiction probably increased costs a lot and were (arguably) unnecessary for the narrative to work (not saying you take Krypton out of the film, just that it didn't need to look Avatar's Pandora because the message about its society was much more sober).

 

[STARMAN]

I've been wrong a billion times. I always figured the best case scenario was they finish post on Zack's completed principal photography and maybe film an additional scene or two for connective tissue and narrative purposes. I'm surprised it's potentially more than that.

 

[SupermanFan]

Affleck is never putting on a costume ever again. I think he’ll support the release of the snyder cut as much as he can but hes not suiting up again, hes made that clear. Henry seems ready to move on.

@DS80 I’m not saying your full of it, i think you’ve shown you know some stuff but you have to admit when you look at it objectively and not as a fan, it doesnt make sense for them to Zack Snyder the full reigns to the Justice League back after ALL this happened over the past 7 years and three divisive films that forced them butcher the third one.

Especially given what he wish recently about his he was told by a friend going back there would kill him.

Take the extra scenes, when are they meant to film them? We’re in a pandemic and if they want the SC for HBO Max subscriptions are they really going to wait?

They’ve moved on on the big screen aswell, there’s no ways they’re gonna start green light sequels when the Snyder films were all divisive. Heck I bet his version of JL will be aswell.

 

[kguillou]

I could see Zack having been given X amount of budget to do what he needs to to finish the cut and if he can fit additional photography in with that budget then he can as long as he meets the deadline for AT&T to stream the movie on HBO Max. And maybe they left the deal at “lets see how this is received and if its received well, we can talk about the future.” An open ended deal. But no way they've already green lit sequels without knowing how this will go or even seeing the final finished version of what Zack will release.

 

[SupermanFan]

I've been wrong a billion times. I always figured the best case scenario was they finish post on Zack's completed principal photography and maybe film an additional scene or two for connective tissue and narrative purposes. I'm surprised it's potentially more than that.

Do you honestly believe it is?

 

[STARMAN]

Do you honestly believe it is?

Some of it I find hard to believe. But I can't assume anything anymore. I'm leaving all options on the table even ones I always considered far-fetched and nearly impossible.

 

[SupermanFan]

Some of it I find hard to believe. But I can't assume anything anymore. I'm leaving all options on the table even ones I always considered far-fetched and nearly impossible.

Fair enough

 

[JOE]

Is this thing for real?

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's one thing to finish an alternate cut of a movie that just need some vfx touching up and such. It's another to invest 300 mil into sequels. Financials just don't support it given the ceiling this franchise has shown it has. WB def won't do it, and I don't think HBO Max could justify it, either.

 

[Tra-El]

Why are you still bringing up WB? They don't matter.

Pretty cool man. You're legit. Congrats. Outside of the crazy ZS fans, I love the guy and I hope Justice is givin to the man.

 

[Erzengel]

I hope Justice is givin to the man.

I never got the whole, justice for Snyder, like what Warner Brothers did was especially heinous. I realize that a lot of the people that work with him like him, but there's a lot of other people out there who for examples, write a book, direct a movie get paid by a Studio to make a film, and then have that Studio change it not to their liking. That's kind of the business.

 

[Arachnerd]

Is this thing for real?

Apparently, inside reports suggest that it might indeed be happening/be released. I emphasize might.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I never got the whole, justice for Snyder, like what Warner Brothers did was especially heinous. I realize that a lot of the people that work with him like him, but there's a lot of other people out there who for examples, write a book, direct a movie get paid by a Studio to make a film, and then have that Studio change it not to their liking. That's kind of the business.

A lot of those other people don’t have a family tragedy used as a way to cover up firing them though.

 

[Tra-El]

I never got the whole, justice for Snyder, like what Warner Brothers did was especially heinous. I realize that a lot of the people that work with him like him, but there's a lot of other people out there who for examples, write a book, direct a movie get paid by a Studio to make a film, and then have that Studio change it not to their liking. That's kind of the business.

Well it was heinous. As heinous as it gets. You realize they used the suicide of his daughter to make up a complete falsity of the situation and pushed for end of the year bonus's by the ****storm that we got? The man was done wrong. There were other ways to go about things. But in the end, Hollywood is a heinous business so it's no surprise. It's a cut throat cooperation. Glad Zack is atleast pushing back for something he worked on in the midst of a family tragedy.

 

[Tra-El]

A lot of those other people don’t have a family tragedy used as a way to cover up firing them though.

Exactly. Beat me to it, Scribe.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Exactly. Beat me to it, Scribe.

You put it much better than I did.

Unrelated, but I keep seeing it suggested here that the SC wouldn’t bring in a big audience. It’s literally the only blockbuster style film that can be released right now. And everyone is at home. This thing will get a ton of eyes on it.

 

[Erzengel]

A lot of those other people don’t have a family tragedy used as a way to cover up firing them though.

Well it was heinous. As heinous as it gets. You realize they used the suicide of his daughter to make up a complete falsity of the situation and pushed for end of the year bonus's by the ****storm that we got? The man was done wrong. There were other ways to go about things. But in the end, Hollywood is a heinous business so it's no surprise. It's a cut throat cooperation. Glad Zack is atleast pushing back for something he worked on in the midst of a family tragedy.

How should have WB handled it from a business perspective not a fan perspective? If they were indeed unhappy with his movie and the movie was 90% complete, how should they have done in early 2017?

From what I remember, I thought there were still saying that Whedon was going to work on Snyder's notes. But, we don't know what was said to Snyder behind closed doors and he's too much of a professional to say what did happen. Either the Studio said, why don't you take care of you, we'll get someone else to finish right where you left off and changed up what he did or this isn't working out, we are going to replace you and what you did? Is the former messed up? Yes. But, unless someone wants to correct me, has Snyder ever been specific on what he was told?

 

[Erzengel]

Unrelated, but I keep seeing it suggested here that the SC wouldn’t bring in a big audience. It’s literally the only blockbuster style film that can be released right now. And everyone is at home. This thing will get a ton of eyes on it.

It's hard to measure subscribers to box office.

HBO currently has 140M subscribers. HBO GO/Now, I believe you can get if you already have an HBO subscription.

There have been articles that they are hoping for 50M subscribers by 2025 for HBO Max.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Can’t wait for this I’m gonna love it

 

[Spider-Fan]

You put it much better than I did.

Unrelated, but I keep seeing it suggested here that the SC wouldn’t bring in a big audience. It’s literally the only blockbuster style film that can be released right now. And everyone is at home. This thing will get a ton of eyes on it.

Inevitably I think this is ultimately why the move may be happening now. Streamers need as much content as possible, especially exclusive content. So this is something that can add value to the service on that front. Now, this movie alone I don't think moves the needle too much, but it's not about selling 1 mega exclusive. It's about pumping out new content after new content and flooding the market do eyeballs keep coming. Disney+ kind of hgot a wall because all their new stuff got delayed after their initial stuff came at launch. They haven't had a ton since Mandalorian ended. I think HBO Max def wants to be more like Netflix in that regard.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I mean, it's just a matter of going off the original statement they released when it all went down.

Snyder, after screening a rough cut of Justice League for fellow filmmakers and friends, wanted to add additional scenes, so he brought Whedon on board to write them. But as he prepared to shoot the scenes in England, Snyder realized it was not the time to leave home. “The directing is minimal and it has to adhere to the style and tone and the template that Zack set,” says Emmerich. “We’re not introducing any new characters. It’s the same characters in some new scenes. He’s handing the baton to Joss, but the course has really been set by Zack. I still believe that despite this tragedy, we’ll still end up with a great movie.

- Toby Emmerich

Zack Snyder Steps Down From 'Justice League' to Deal With Family Tragedy

We know for fact this is all but****. The reshoots and additional photography were heavy and noticeable, the tonal shifts between Zack and Joss were jarring, and there was an entire subplot introduced with a Russian family that no one cared about and that Zack didn't even know about. So it's clearly evident that Snyder got played.

It's hard to measure subscribers to box office.

HBO currently has 140M subscribers. HBO GO/Now, I believe you can get if you already have an HBO subscription.

There have been articles that they are hoping for 50M subscribers by 2025 for HBO Max.

Not talking revenue as I have no clue how that's all being calculated. Just saying that a lot of folks will watch this movie.

 

[Erzengel]

I mean, it's just a matter of going off the original statement they released when it all went down.

- Toby Emmerich

Zack Snyder Steps Down From 'Justice League' to Deal With Family Tragedy

We know for fact this is all but****. The reshoots and additional photography were heavy and noticeable, the tonal shifts between Zack and Joss were jarring, and there was an entire subplot introduced with a Russian family that no one cared about and that Zack didn't even know about. So it's clearly evident that Snyder got played.

I'm not trying to be obstinate but I doubt that WB was ever going to publicly say, "It was unwatchable" which is why that was a leak (maybe even a planned Studio leak in order to help themselves).

Any Studio saying "publicly" that this isn't what we were looking for and we are going to redo it, really puts a movie under a more scrutinized spotlight, which is why I asked if Snyder himself said something.