Zack Snyder's Visuals, Amazing or Trash?

[The Guard]

People usually have a clear reason for it, unless intoxicated.

"You stole my girlfriend." "You scratched my car." "You invaded Poland."

I invite anyone to summarise why Batman and Superman fought with that clarity.

We're getting off topic a bit, but the reasons for the fight are clearly delineated in the film. Batman's, especially, as they make up a core part of his character arc. He is trying to eliminate Superman, who he perceives to be a threat. Superman is fighting to protect himself, and to subdue/kill Batman, because has has limited options to save his mother.

The reasons may not be relateable to the average person, but they are in the film.

And they're no less ridiculous than "you stole my girlfriend" or "you scratched my car".

 

[Zarex]

We're getting off topic a bit, but the reasons for the fight are clearly delineated in the film. Batman's, especially, as they make up a core part of his character arc. He is trying to eliminate Superman, who he perceives to be a threat. Superman is fighting to protect himself, and to subdue/kill Batman, because has has limited options to save his mother.

The reasons may not be relateable to the average person, but they are in the film.

And they're no less ridiculous than "you stole my girlfriend" or "you scratched my car".

But rather than going for a quick kill against a near invulnerable opponent, Batman opts to torture and ridicule his victim before administering the killing blow. Likewise, Superman chooses to bully and assert his dominance over his human counterpart rather than rescue his mother as quickly as possible. If Bruce's goal was to kill and Clark's to subdue it wasn't clearly reflected in their actions.

 

[FunkMiller]

But rather than going for a quick kill against a near invulnerable opponent, Batman opts to torture and ridicule his victim before administering the killing blow. Likewise, Superman chooses to bully and assert his dominance over his human counterpart rather than rescue his mother as quickly as possible. If Bruce's goal was to kill and Clark's to subdue it wasn't clearly reflected in their actions.

Exactly. The whole thing is badly defined and badly realised. There's no clarity of purpose, which leads to the whole fight coming across as nonsensical. Neither combatant has a clear, believable and proper motivation for fighting the way they do. The fight in the movie happens because the movie is about them fighting. The actual narrative reasons provided fall apart once you start critically examining them, even just a little bit.

 

[Kane52630]

Reason?

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Because apparently I can delete other people's posts.

 

[Flint Marko]

And they're no less ridiculous than "you stole my girlfriend" or "you scratched my car".

Batman spending two years of his life planning to murder someone who saved the planet and regularly flies around the world saving people and righting wrongs is no less ridiculous to you than "you stole my girlfriend" or "you scratched my car". That's incredible.

 

[Greens]

I'm still trying to figure out whether that post in your sig was meant to be serious. lol

 

[Rowsdower!]

The funny thing about the BvS fight and defenders of the film itself is that if you compare it with another controversial sequence in the film (the Africa scene) it really falls apart. I've heard time and time again from BvS supporters that Superman didn't kill that guy when he plowed him through a wall. Supposedly, Superman is so fast that he was able to do that without even hurting him. Okay, I can but that. But if Superman is really that fast, then he should have been able to subdue Batman immediately, before Bruce even knew what hit him.

 

[Supa]

The funny thing about the BvS fight and defenders of the film itself is that if you compare it with another controversial sequence in the film (the Africa scene) it really falls apart. I've heard time and time again from BvS supporters that Superman didn't kill that guy when he plowed him through a wall. Supposedly, Superman is so fast that he was able to do that without even hurting him. Okay, I can but that. But if Superman is really that fast, then he should have been able to subdue Batman immediately, before Bruce even knew what hit him.

To be fair, this is a problem for pretty much every Superman/Batman fight ever published.

They're the two biggest superheroes of all time so you gotta have them fight apparently, but every one of those fights boils down to the writers asking "Okay, how can we nerf Superman enough to make this feasible?"

 

[ManWithNoName18]

As entertaining as the talk about the batman/superman fight is. We're getting more into the plot stuff, than the visual stuff.

Thoughts on Snyder's CGI characters/costumes designs?

Doomsday a fully CGI character

General Zod in his armor

Cyborg

And Batman in his armor

 

[Kane52630]

The cave troll from LOTR still looks more impressive than that thing in BVS.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Really liked the look of both Zod, and Batman armor.

But Cyborg looks like bad cross of the terminator and a transformer.

Also Doomsday's spikeless design really does make him look like the LOTR troll. Someone made made a manip where they put some spikes on top of Snyde's Doomsday that actually looks decent.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Abomination was more impressive than that.

 

[Guts]

As entertaining as the talk about the batman/superman fight is. We're getting more into the plot stuff, than the visual stuff.

Thoughts on Snyder's CGI characters/costumes designs?

Doomsday a fully CGI character

General Zod in his armor

Cyborg

And Batman in his armor

The Bat armor wasn't cgi.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

My bad, seems like it was a mix of CGI and practical

 

[Kane52630]

Depending on the shot, that is.

 

[Nemeres]

There were no stakes, no nothing. It barely qualifies as a fight.

Now there's some level-headed critique. Why not beat exaggeration with exaggeration.

 

[Rowsdower!]

The cave troll from LOTR still looks more impressive than that thing in BVS.

Yeah. I was particularly shocked at how bad Discount Doomsday looked in full body shots, like when he was jumping around on that rooftop. It looked like a goddamned cartoon.

 

[idiot09]

Why not beat exaggeration with exaggeration.

Exactly. Seems commonplace here to me.

 

[OutOfBoose]

But Cyborg looks like bad cross of the terminator and a transformer.

And chewed paper.

 

[C-3PO]

As entertaining as the talk about the batman/superman fight is. We're getting more into the plot stuff, than the visual stuff.

Thoughts on Snyder's CGI characters/costumes designs?

Doomsday a fully CGI character

General Zod in his armor

Cyborg

And Batman in his armor

The Cyborg image isn't showing. For me, anyway.

 

[Nemeres]

Exactly. Seems commonplace here to me.

So why not join in and make your opinion just as reactionary. Maybe it barely counts as an opinion.

 

[idiot09]

So why not join in and make your opinion just as reactionary. Maybe it barely counts as an opinion.

Whatever you say.

 

[SaintFort]

I personally think that the visuals in BvS are consistently good. I do not agree with the opinion that the Trinity's battle with Doomsday looks bad; it's comprised of wide shots that make the action easy to follow and amazing computer generated effects that bring the larger-than-life nature of the battle to life. Yes, the CGI does look noticeable in some parts, but never to a degree that ruins my ability to suspend my disbelief. As for Doomsday himself, I think that he is very well rendered and looks real; when people say that he looks bad, I think that they're conflating his character design with the quality of the CGI through which he is depicted.

 

[SaintFort]

General Zod in his armor

The CGI for Zod's armor is so impressive that I honestly didn't become aware that it was CGI until a year or so after I saw the film in theaters, while watching the special features that comes with the film's release on Blu-Ray.

 

[harryoscop]

I loved his visuals in Watchmen, 300, MOS & BvS. So yes, he has amazing visuals imo. The Doomsday fight in particular had some beautiful shots (Doomsday & Superman having the heat vision standoff, Batman emerging from the rubble etc) Everything with Dr. Manhattan was great in Watchmen.