Zhang Yimou's The Great Wall (Matt Damon)

OK, but even if say the Chinese financiers came up with the idea and even approved of it, does that really make it OK?
Most Westerners don't care about the hundreds of historical epics and period films that the Chinese film industry has produced over the past few decades. It's a major genre, and there have been some wonderful films as well as some not-so-great ones. Regardless of their quality, however, they are ignored for the most part by those in the West.

Chinese audiences -- and, in fact, all Asian audiences -- have enjoyed an abundance of films featuring all-Chinese casts, and some that have placed non-Chinese actors in subordinate roles. China vs Japan, and East meets West are two popular themes, often with the foreigners as villains. Sometimes non-Chinese actors play the allies of the protagonist, but they've also played the antagonist in many films. Chinese actors are generally the stars of Chinese films, even if the film takes place outside of China. Additionally, it's a novelty for them to include an A-list Hollywood actor in one of their films, and Chinese filmmakers have discovered that it paves the way for an international release and thus far more revenue. In this film, the Caucasian actor is going to be the hero -- this differs from the norm.

Western audiences will see a film in theaters when it features a familiar star. Star power attracts people to the cinema. This is a genre that viewers from the West don't relate to very well -- Chinese historical culture is lost on those in the West. The only time Western audiences can be convinced to watch a Chinese period film is when the star is familiar to them, and even then it was a hard sell.

I doubt Zhang Yimou's Curse of the Golden Flower (2006) would have done very well with a wide release in the West. It stars Chow Yun-Fat, Jay Chou, and Gong Li -- all megastars in China at the time.
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Red Cliff (2008), which was a huge two-part film in China was less well-received in the West. It features an all-star Chinese cast.

The Assassin (2015) won an award at Cannes for Best Director and was critically acclaimed, winning all sorts of awards at the Asian Film Awards and Taiwanese Golden Horse Film Awards. It received an American release in October 2015 to very little fanfare.

The Great Wall (2016) features an all-star Chinese cast, which includes Andy Lau, Eddie Peng, and Chinese member of EXO, Lu Han. As far as blockbuster Chinese films go, this one has as many big stars as a typical big-budget film would have. Matt Damon's inclusion is a bonus; it could have been Jay Chou, Huang Xiaoming, Wang Leehom, Chen Kun, Donnie Yen, or anyone else in that role, and the only difference is that Western audiences would pass on the film. There are already tons of blockbuster Chinese films in existence with Chinese-only casts.

It's not so much "whitewashing," i.e., an attempt to replace Chinese actors with white actors and alter the norm, as it is an attempt to attract Western viewers. The Chinese would balk if their traditional roles were being threatened, as ethnic pride is very strong in the Chinese community. China likes to show the world that it is the best. The Great Wall is co-produced by China Film Group, which is China's state-owned film studio.
 
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Red Cliff (the full 288 minute version and not that truncated 148 minute "American" version) is a great film.
 
Nothing says China vs the West as blatantly as Wolf Warriors (2015), directed by and starring martial artist Wu Jing. He is a fantastic performer and he is great in other films as a villain and as a protagonist, but this is not a good film.

You may want to reconsider the term "whitewashing" once you've seen this knife fight between Wu and Scott Adkins. Wu plays a Chinese soldier, while Adkins plays a foreign mercenary.
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Foreigners are as likely to be the villains in Chinese action cinema as they are to be the protagonists when Chinese action films feature foreigners in any role of significance. People of ethnic Chinese descent dominate the protagonist roles in Chinese cinema, and China vs The Other is a frequent theme. In a landscape where one's degree of "Chinese-ness" is a source of enormous pride and tension among people from different regions, e.g., Mainland vs Taiwan vs Hong Kong, the majority of film protagonists are Chinese. Chinese audiences relate to, and value, their own stars more than they relate to, and value, foreign stars. Hollywood actors will never replace Chinese actors, and will only supplement them as a means to generate more revenue from international audiences. In the case of The Great Wall, Matt Damon supports Andy Lau, Eddie Peng, and the many other star actors in that film's cast.






I wouldn't be surprised if Willem Dafoe was a villain in The Great Wall just to balance things out. That was the case in Dragon Blade (2014), a dreadful Jackie Chan film in which John Cusack plays an ally of the heroes and Adrien Brody is the ruthless villain.
 
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Universal has nothing to do with the making of this movie. They are the distributors only. It's a film by Legendary which was purchased by a Chinese company and several other Chinese companies co-financed it.

It's not a Hollywood product its a Chinese product so Constance Wu and the other critics of this film don't know what they are talking about when they criticize Hollywood for whitewashing this film. But they can't blame the Chinese because that wouldn't be PC so they blame any available white guy.

As for Matt Damon what is he supposed to do? Turn down work and a pay check just to be PC. Should Will Smith have to turn down all the roles he played where the characters were originally white like Deadshot, I am Legend, Men In Black, and Wild Wild West than.

Well does Matt Damon really have a problem getting work?

Also the film was still labeled as a problem movie in the press. It might not be Universal's movie but they still have to release it and put their name on it. It was reported they weren't happy about taking on Seventh Son either.
 
Well does Matt Damon really have a problem getting work?

Also the film was still labeled as a problem movie in the press. It might not be Universal's movie but they still have to release it and put their name on it. It was reported they weren't happy about taking on Seventh Son either.

My problem is the press should at least try to get the facts straight before they start complaining about Hollywood white washing. Also Constance Wu should know the difference between the makers of the film and the distributor only as she is in the business.
 
That really does look like Bourne in China. :funny:
 
Yeah it's not really whitewashing or at least how I view the term.

But this still was a stupid decision of a movie on many levels.
 
this is a Chinese movie aimed at the Chinese market directed by a Chinese director its not really white washing asians actually see this as diversity since you rarely ever get anyone but asians in their films

anyways this movie does not look good the dialogue was atrocious in that trailer
 
Lol sorry this looks horrible. Usually I don't wish failure on things cuz its other people's work but I kind of hope this flops hard
 
I think it could be a fun time. I'm not expecting top tier Hollywood A list quality. But as a B movie sure Ill check it out.
 
Yeah, it's personally not my cup of tea.

But superion and The Rocket's posts were very informative and really put this film into the economic and cultural context of Chinese cinema. Well done.
 
It's one thing to disagree with it and support the film. But to be in denial of the controversy is simply ignorance.

Chinese filmmaker Zhang Yimou has released a statement defending the decision.

“Our film is not about the construction of the Great Wall,” Zhang told EW. “Matt Damon is not playing a role that was originally conceived for a Chinese actor. The arrival of his character in our story is an important plot point. There are five major heroes in our story and he is one of them — the other four are all Chinese.”

“I have not and will not cast a film in a way that was untrue to my artistic vision,” he wrote.

so a director cant even cast his own movie i guess:whatever:
 
Looks pretty terrible. And Damon sounds ridiculous. I can't tell if he's trying to do an accent or if he just realized that he can't do the accent so instead he's just doing some sort of weird speech pattern so he doesn't sound so American.
 
Im gunna end up seeing this because it looks like an amazing guilty pleasure movie
 
Chinese filmmaker Zhang Yimou has released a statement defending the decision.

“Our film is not about the construction of the Great Wall,” Zhang told EW. “Matt Damon is not playing a role that was originally conceived for a Chinese actor. The arrival of his character in our story is an important plot point. There are five major heroes in our story and he is one of them — the other four are all Chinese.”

“I have not and will not cast a film in a way that was untrue to my artistic vision,” he wrote.

so a director cant even cast his own movie i guess:whatever:
In Chinese cinema, Chinese actors are always the heroes, and Caucasian actors are more often than not the villains.

This is a Chinese film made for Chinese people. It breaks away from conventional casting in Chinese film-making. They want to see something that they don't usually have an opportunity to see -- a famous white person in a Chinese movie. Most Chinese films feature all-Chinese casts. I don't see where this "whitewashing" accusation stems from; a white lead actor in a Chinese film is a needle in a haystack. To have a white person in a Chinese film is actually a step towards ethnic diversity in Chinese cinema.
 
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