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Punk really is a *****e lol..

After the Raw show I went to IHOP with my wife and within minutes I noticed Kofi came in and sat in a booth with some older man and there was someone with a cap that turned out to be Punk,A small group of fans were there and noticed them too and so they went up to them nicely&asked for autographs

Punk got up/said something&left then came back after 5 mins with a pen and signed stuff&took pics and a few more people like kids came up too,I eventually went up to them and nicely told punk"excuse me sir,I don't mean to bother you But just wanted to shake your hand cause I am a HUGE fan since Ring of Honor"and he said"cool man"and I told Kofi"Kofi I'm also a big fan of yours"he had a big smile and shook my hands and then I told them to have a good night&welcome to Laredo

5 mins after that this man took his teenage son(13-15)&two smaller boys(8-10)up to them and Punk was texting But as soon as he soon as he saw them he shouted"Ok that's it,f**k off,I'm serious just ***** off,let us eat"and the man told him they went to the show to see him and Punk replied"I appreciate that But leave me alone and f**k off",Man said"your an a** and no respect even for 3 seconds"Punk replied"Respect is earned pal and I don't owe you sh** pal"

A manager told Punk he had to leave cause it's a family friendly restaurant and he was being rude and he asked he IF she was kicking him out and she said"yes I'm very sorry But I have to ask you to step out"and he told Kofi&the older man they were f**ing leaving and Kofi looked very embarrassed and told the manager he's sorry"and put his head down as he walked behind Punk

I understand why Punk would be irritated But he could of said nicely no or to come back after he eat,Especially with kids involved,The man told the manager he came from Mexico and paid $400 to go to the show and his kids are HUGE fans of Punk!!!

I can understand him being upset but he didn't ha.ve to be such a d*** about it. He should have told everyone he might do pics after they ate and explain their schedule to everyone. Everybody has bad days though and maybe he wasn't thinking. But he can be pretty blunt anyway.

Ah Raw... That awkward awesome moment when a 5’3”, 105 pound girl puts two of the best wrestlers in the world through a table

I'd love for AJ to put me on a long flat surface.

True, I just find it funny when one jerk basically calls another guy a jerk, even if it is the truth.





Oh gotcha. I thought he was still with Beth. I cannot keep up with these wrestling couples haha.

You know my feelings on Punk, but everyone loses their cool and I completely understand it in this instance. He could have handled it better, especially if there were kids present, but I do not blame him one bit for getting upset.

Divas get passed around like joints at a college frat party.

Sometimes I think fans feel like wrestlers owe then their entire lives all the time. They can't even take a sh** without "owing" someone something.
Punk should have handled it a little more calmly though. Especially with young children around.
 
Divas get passed around like joints at a college frat party.

The WWE lockerroom is like square dancing; every three months or so, Dusty Rhodes yells out "change yer partner" and all the men take a step to the left and immediately start boning whoever's standing in front of them.

I believe that's how Orlando Jordan got started.
 
I would love to see Ambrose and AJ pull a dudley boys get the table act.
 
Oh gotcha. I thought he was still with Beth. I cannot keep up with these wrestling couples haha.

You know my feelings on Punk, but everyone loses their cool and I completely understand it in this instance. He could have handled it better, especially if there were kids present, but I do not blame him one bit for getting upset.

It#s basically like a game of musical Divas. :D

You still hot at him over the stuff with the boxer? I agree he could have handled this with a bit more composure, it sounds like he was on that last nerve and just lost his cool.
 
The WWE lockerroom is like square dancing; every three months or so, Dusty Rhodes yells out "change yer partner" and all the men take a step to the left and immediately start boning whoever's standing in front of them.

I believe that's how Orlando Jordan got started.


That's one thing that really has to suck about dating a diva. If you break-up she'll wind up with someone else in the locker room. It's like drunk hoes at a party.

Is No Holds Barred any good?

It's best defined as a guilty pleasure.

CM Punk has been posting a lot of tweets the past 24 hrs on his twitter about relationships ending, losing love, and staying strong.

I wonder if Punk and Beth broke up. That might explain his touchiness that Luis was telling us about


Something like this happened with Cena not too long ago because of his divorce. I think he ignored some mtv celebrity on a bus.

I said the same thing about Punk. I understand he's probably tired and snapped without thinking. However he's been in that position several times ,I'd imagine, and after a while you have to find a better way of dealing with it.
 
It#s basically like a game of musical Divas. :D

You still hot at him over the stuff with the boxer? I agree he could have handled this with a bit more composure, it sounds like he was on that last nerve and just lost his cool.


Lol apparently so! Why does it seem more prevalent in WWE than TNA?

I'm not hot over it anymore, but I still do not particularly care for Punk the person from what I've seen of him. I admire his ring work, though I feel like his character has cooled a bit and bored me a little since he's been on top. I kind of wish he would go back to being a heel and they'd turn Bryan face.

He definitely seemed like he lost his cool. I'm betting it has something to do with Lita. Go read his twitter. It's loaded right now with tweets about relationship troubles. Combine that with the fact it was late and after a show, when they just want to relax and eat, him losing his cool is not surprising.
 
Lol apparently so! Why does it seem more prevalent in WWE than TNA?

I'm guessing a reason for that is that if you're with TNA, you're too busy managing the independent bookings you need to survive, that you don't really have time to ride in the company motor pool.
 
Lol apparently so! Why does it seem more prevalent in WWE than TNA?

I'm not hot over it anymore, but I still do not particularly care for Punk the person from what I've seen of him. I admire his ring work, though I feel like his character has cooled a bit and bored me a little since he's been on top. I kind of wish he would go back to being a heel and they'd turn Bryan face.

He definitely seemed like he lost his cool. I'm betting it has something to do with Lita. Go read his twitter. It's loaded right now with tweets about relationship troubles. Combine that with the fact it was late and after a show, when they just want to relax and eat, him losing his cool is not surprising.

Probably the road schedule takes it's toll quicker, where TNA's roster aren't living in each others pockets.

I can understand that, his honesty is something I like about him, I may not always agree with him and can agree he's a dick at times, but he has a side where he seems a cool guy and at the very least he seems straight up. I don't think WWE has necessarily given Punk the best material to work with since he came on top, but he's delivered in the angles with Jericho and Bryan. I'm a big fan of Bryan as well but I think where they have him right now as a tweener is perfect, he's Lance Storm bland as a face lol.

I think the main issue is more his little F bomb outburst with kids there (not cool) than him being stroppy. Of course some may ask why two 8 year olds were in a cafe at what must have been close to midnight.
 
Lol apparently so! Why does it seem more prevalent in WWE than TNA?

WWE people are on the road more and behind the scenes there is probably less of a mind games filled bizarro world in TNA. You can have a life and career outside the company.

I don't think Dixie Carter "tests" people by splitting up a couple and sending them on different tours and I think the women are hired in TNA to be more than just eye candy for the fans AND the boys. You don't have to date the top stars to move up the ladder and succeed. Probably the advantage of having a woman boss.

There is dating in the TNA roster but there doesn't seem to be as much intermingling.
 
Probably the road schedule takes it's toll quicker, where TNA's roster aren't living in each others pockets.

I can understand that, his honesty is something I like about him, I may not always agree with him and can agree he's a dick at times, but he has a side where he seems a cool guy and at the very least he seems straight up. I don't think WWE has necessarily given Punk the best material to work with since he came on top, but he's delivered in the angles with Jericho and Bryan. I'm a big fan of Bryan as well but I think where they have him right now as a tweener is perfect, he's Lance Storm bland as a face lol.

I think the main issue is more his little F bomb outburst with kids there (not cool) than him being stroppy. Of course some may ask why two 8 year olds were in a cafe at what must have been close to midnight.

The one thing I'll give Punk is he is BRUTALLY honest. He is what he is.

I've never been sold on Punk as a face so much. He just seems to lose a little something when he's not a heel. The crowd loves him though so it's hard to argue that he should be made a heel. His Jericho feud was a letdown for me and I did not care for the alcohol storyline. That matches were kind of "meh." The Bryan feud has been better mostly because of AJ and due to Bryan and Punk putting on some fantastic matches.

Luis said the kids had been traveling from Mexico so that is probably why they were out so late eating. I know when my family traveled long distance we often wouldn't stop for hotels and would eat late. Plus it is IHOP! That begs for late night eating! :woot:
 
I think Punk is a guy who works as an anti hero because there are things about him that are abrasive but people respond to those things.

He's not a Ricky Steamboat white hat kind of babyface or a Hogan or Cena babyface.

I kept wondering if they introduced the family stuff to Punk and Jericho's story not only to make it personal but to give Jericho something so he could keep up. As good as Jericho is on the mic it seems like he was outmatched by Punks promo style.
 
This thing with CM Punk at an Ihop where he told people off doesn't surprise me because it's reported over the years of his attitude problems. He bashes Hulk Hogan and Jeff Hardy, which doesn't get him respect. He's going to have work on respecting the veterans, which is a rule in the wrestling business.
 
The issues with Hardy and Punk can go either way but Hogan has been notorious for brushing people off who are not "worth his time." Thats why Hart claims he and Austin totally ignored HIM backstage at a HOF one year.

Punk claims he went to shake Hogans hand and thank him for everything he'd done for the business and Hogan blew him off.

The issues between Punk and Hogan are more Hogans fault. If I were Punk I'd feel the same way.
 
Jeff Hardy is not a veteran to Punk, more of a peer I think. As for Hogan, well the line to take a pop at the mighty Orange one goes around the block...TWICE! :funny:

The one thing I'll give Punk is he is BRUTALLY honest. He is what he is.

I've never been sold on Punk as a face so much. He just seems to lose a little something when he's not a heel. The crowd loves him though so it's hard to argue that he should be made a heel. His Jericho feud was a letdown for me and I did not care for the alcohol storyline. That matches were kind of "meh." The Bryan feud has been better mostly because of AJ and due to Bryan and Punk putting on some fantastic matches.

Luis said the kids had been traveling from Mexico so that is probably why they were out so late eating. I know when my family traveled long distance we often wouldn't stop for hotels and would eat late. Plus it is IHOP! That begs for late night eating! :woot:

I think being a face in modern WWE is difficult in general due to this image WWE want to create, plus the Attitude Era created this culture of cheering for heels, which is why I think WWE has used the chicken**** heel so much, because the cool heels killed the story dynamics at times. Even now it's not really working as at the last PPV the crowd cheered for Ziggler over Sheamus and Ziggler isn't even booked as a cool heel.

I wasn't keen on the alcohol angle at first either, but I thought they built it to a good blow off street fight which is the best I've seen since 2008. Agreed on AJ, she has been a revelation, but credit to Punk and Bryan for supporting her, how many other main event guys would have agreed to the closing spot on Raw last night?

Now I'm going to sound ignorant but what exactly is an IHOP? :funny:
 
International
House
Of
Pancakes

It's basically a restaurant.

I miss IHOP. :( In Canada, they only exist in Western Canada, pretty much. Now that I live in Toronto, I have to drive down to your neck of the woods if I want to eat there.
 
The issues with Hardy and Punk can go either way but Hogan has been notorious for brushing people off who are not "worth his time." Thats why Hart claims he and Austin totally ignored HIM backstage at a HOF one year.

Punk claims he went to shake Hogans hand and thank him for everything he'd done for the business and Hogan blew him off.

The issues between Punk and Hogan are more Hogans fault. If I were Punk I'd feel the same way.

See this is where having no first hand experience or dealings with the wrestlers is confusing. We are basically reliant on the internet news sites and what wrestlers say in interviews. You're basically left with your own judgement based on that and nothing else.

We all know Hogan's backstage politics when it comes to booking, and I think the television product during the WCW days and even in the later WWF days tell us all we need to know about those reports.

But Hogan is often described as someone who despite his politics, was cool with the boys in how treated everyone. I haven't read or heard too many stories of guys who said Hulk was a dick personally. He is often described as a laid back dude. The way he does business and wants to go over is another matter. Goldberg for example is the same way. Lance Storm has told numerous stories of disagreeing with Goldberg on how to do business, but loving Goldberg the person and thinking he was a great guy to be around. Hogan is described the same way.

Hart and Austin are two guys who have always been bitter about Hogan not putting them over and been ****ting on him for years. It was reported years ago the reason Austin/Hogan did not happen at WM 18 was because Austin did not want to work with Hogan. Then years later it was reported Austin thought that's the match they should have gone with, not Hogan vs Rock. So what's the truth? How much of that is Austin looking back and seeing how fondly Rock vs Hogan is looked at? Who knows!

Austin is another guy who has played politics. He refused to work a program with Jeff Jarrett, who was extremely over at the time in 1999, becuase he felt like he was held down in the promotion run by Jeff and his father. Jarrett might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he has always been described as a professional.

Punk is an odd duck because a couple of years ago he reportedly had backstage heat with the veterans and the way he carried himself in the locker room. Yet he has heat with Hulk for supposedly brushing him off? Seems a bit hypocritical doesn't it?

There is enough blame to go around I suppose for all of these guys and their conduct.

I'm not saying it's right, because it's not, but Hogan can at least say he has a reason for his ego given what he's done in the business. Same for Austin. Even Hart (to a degree). Punk cannot.



Jeff Hardy is not a veteran to Punk, more of a peer I think. As for Hogan, well the line to take a pop at the mighty Orange one goes around the block...TWICE! :funny:



I think being a face in modern WWE is difficult in general due to this image WWE want to create, plus the Attitude Era created this culture of cheering for heels, which is why I think WWE has used the chicken**** heel so much, because the cool heels killed the story dynamics at times. Even now it's not really working as at the last PPV the crowd cheered for Ziggler over Sheamus and Ziggler isn't even booked as a cool heel.

I wasn't keen on the alcohol angle at first either, but I thought they built it to a good blow off street fight which is the best I've seen since 2008. Agreed on AJ, she has been a revelation, but credit to Punk and Bryan for supporting her, how many other main event guys would have agreed to the closing spot on Raw last night?

Now I'm going to sound ignorant but what exactly is an IHOP? :funny:

I think Hardy is a veteran in the sense that he made it in WWE well before Punk ever did, so he was seen as a veteran of the company.

You are spot-on in everything you just said about WWE.

IHOP serves a bit of everything, but they specialize in breakfast food that you can order 24 hrs a day. It's awesome cheap comfort food. I spent many of drunk college nights there :cwink: That was years ago of course before I got my head on straight
 
Curse all of you: now I'm suddenly in the mood for corned beef hash made from frozen potatoes and canned meat. :cmad:
 
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See this is where having no first hand experience or dealings with the wrestlers is confusing. We are basically reliant on the internet news sites and what wrestlers say in interviews. You're basically left with your own judgment based on that and nothing else.

We all know Hogan's backstage politics when it comes to booking, and I think the television product during the WCW days and even in the later WWF days tell us all we need to know about those reports.

But Hogan is often described as someone who despite his politics, was cool with the boys in how treated everyone. I haven't read or heard too many stories of guys who said Hulk was a dick personally. He is often described as a laid back dude. The way he does business and wants to go over is another matter. Goldberg for example is the same way. Lance Storm has told numerous stories of disagreeing with Goldberg on how to do business, but loving Goldberg the person and thinking he was a great guy to be around. Hogan is described the same way.

Hart and Austin are two guys who have always been bitter about Hogan not putting them over and been ****ting on him for years. It was reported years ago the reason Austin/Hogan did not happen at WM 18 was because Austin did not want to work with Hogan. Then years later it was reported Austin thought that's the match they should have gone with, not Hogan vs Rock. So what's the truth? How much of that is Austin looking back and seeing how fondly Rock vs Hogan is looked at? Who knows!

Austin is another guy who has played politics. He refused to work a program with Jeff Jarrett, who was extremely over at the time in 1999, because he felt like he was held down in the promotion run by Jeff and his father. Jarrett might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he has always been described as a professional.

Punk is an odd duck because a couple of years ago he reportedly had backstage heat with the veterans and the way he carried himself in the locker room. Yet he has heat with Hulk for supposedly brushing him off? Seems a bit hypocritical doesn't it?

There is enough blame to go around I suppose for all of these guys and their conduct.

I'm not saying it's right, because it's not, but Hogan can at least say he has a reason for his ego given what he's done in the business. Same for Austin. Even Hart (to a degree). Punk cannot.

We've got our own EYES and EARS to listen to Hogan damage his own reputation. The problem is Hogan continues to act like that in AND out of the business. Hogan is cool with some guys but that doesn't mean he's always been cool with everyone. A lot of the guy who get along with him never disagreed with him on business in such a way that threatened his power or his spot or argued with his particular plans. But once their push personally affects his position or his image in the company he becomes "difficult" to work with in an unprofessional way. Ask Shawn Michaels. And Michaels has been willing to do business and job more than ANYONE in WWE in the last decade.

And far too many people have aired out their issues with him to the point that ALL of them were saying what they were because they were jealous or bitter. Hogans played stupid at times when his side of the story does not add up. Feigning ignorance in the most laughable ways.

His actions leading up to Summerslam 05 just seem too suspicious. Then it happened AGAIN at Summerslam 06. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because Austin has policked over the years doesn't mean Hogans own politicking is questionable.

Hogans OWN comments have gotten him into trouble plenty of times. His own actions have gotten him into trouble. His actions after the Bubba The Love Sponge/Haiti incident. Anyone else who did what Bubba did would have been gone from TNA after that but Hogan went on his radio show and didn't exactly represent himself the way someone in his position at the time should have.

The jailhouse tapes between Nick Hogan and Hulk where they discuss Nicks friend John Graziano showed a callous disregard for others an an inability to realize his own mistakes. Grazianos got a hole in his head and "he brought some bad stuff upon himself?" Even though Hogans MINOR son was driving TERRY's car after allegedly drinking. They put the blame on this young guy in those tapes and don't do enough finger pointing at themselves when this guy has a HOLE IN HIS HEAD and he's probably going to be drinking from a straw for the rest of his life.
Video via the Florida correctional system is NOT a dirtsheet.

That whole family has shown some reckless arrogance over the years and Brookes the only one who has seemed even close to being responsible. More responsible than her middle aged parents at times.

Punks heat with certain veterans had to do with some of the hypocritical rules backstage such as the dress code. When someone like John Cena doesn't follow it how legitimate IS a dress code being enforced constantly on others? More of WWE's behind the scenes political BS. If you have rules like that enforce them for everyone but we all know not everyone in WWE plays by the same set of rules. Pointed things like that out and getting chewed out for it doesn't make Punk a hypocrite. particularly when said veterans don't like how he does things but are fine working with him to siphon off some of the heat he built up but they had nothing to do with.
 
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