Ziggler gets a Wrestling Thread...It's About Damn Time!!!

[Hunter Rider]

But how much of that is his lack of interest in being a movie star and more of Hollywood's lack of interest in having John Cena star in their movies?

I mean, how many major directors and producers want to cast Cena as a leading man in something they are making (that they bank on being successful)?

I don't know the answer to either of these but we know Triple H tried to get the new Conan role and Thor. there has never been a single story of Cena or WWE trying to get him in a film.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

If we're being frank Cena has NEVER done a piece of sh** as bad as Doom. Or Tooth Fairy.

I haven't seem The Tooth Fairy,but I would say The Marine is worst than Doom.imo


But I think the whole thing is that to expand on what AndrewGilikson said.The difference between The Rock and every other Wrestler who has left to do films is that The Rock has had actual success as an actor to the point where he really doesn't need to wrestle anymore and he probably wanted to give acting a try.

Even though he left to go on to bigger and better things The Rock did come back.because I personally believe he does have respect for the business and let's be honest if he didn't.He would have left and never came back.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Armchair booker time...

Doesn't this seem like the perfect scenario for a Kane/Ryder main event to get Ryder the win and put a stamp end on that feud?

Let's say Ryder starts off next week's Smackdown, makes a couple matches, makes Eve do something embarrassing, whatever. But then he gets real serious and says he wants Kane in a street fight, he wants to injure him and get payback for what Kane did to him. Main event, 20 minute match, Ryder's actually holding his own (maybe it's a NO DQ match), match ends with Ryder winning or both men just unable to stand. Kane rolls away to leave before more punishment, Ryder gets up to a standing ovation from the crowd.

I always felt Ryder's character needs to take a step of progression, he needs to stop being in the Santino category and get a little closer to the dangerous area.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Cody Rhodes in MITB? He's my pick to win the Smackdown MITB.

Also, Ryback vs. only one jobber?

 

[Incrediblejeff]

They really need to move forward with Ryback,and put him in an actual feud.

 

[Metallo]

I haven't seem The Tooth Fairy,but I would say The Marine is worst than Doom.imo

Doom was a bigger Bomb though. For a guy who is so "successful" and "popular" it didn't really help.

But I think the whole thing is that to expand on what AndrewGilikson said.The difference between The Rock and every other Wrestler who has left to do films is that The Rock has had actual success as an actor to the point where he really doesn't need to wrestle anymore and he probably wanted to give acting a try.

The difference is most of the others never left the business for good to pursue a movie career and devote all their attention to it. For most of them it was a side thing. Piper is one of the few who had a real go at it and quit wrestling for a while. Even Ventura didn't. And most of them didn't have the Rocks looks thus his marketability. More than anything that helped him. And in Hollywood sometimes that matters more than talent.

Rock didn't have a ton of hits before he stopped being full time. Before he left for good a lot of his parts were SUPPORTING roles. Not all of them were leading roles. Mummy Returns was a glorified bit part. And Scorpion King was a lower budget spinoff of that. He was in Be Cool but that was a sequel to an already established series.

Walking Tall was a REMAKE that barely broke even. Southland Tales was another failure. Journey 2 and Fast Five were sequels to films that were already hits. He didn't launch those franchises.

If we are talking quality They Live was easily better than half the sh** The Rock did. Predator is better than ANYTHING Rock had a supporting role in.

Even though he left to go on to bigger and better things The Rock did come back.because I personally believe he does have respect for the business and let's be honest if he didn't.He would have left and never came back.

Rock came back because a new member of his management team (his ex wife) felt it would be good for him. She was one of the ones that pushed it as the right thing.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Got back from Amazing Spiderman and a "Yes, Yes, Yes" chant broke out from a group of people sitting behind me when

Spoiler

Stan Lee had his cameo

 

[OnTheAir]

From 411mania.com:

WWE Working on NWO-related DVD
Posted on 07.03.2012

Covering the entire life of the stable…

- WWE is reportedly at work on a home video release focusing on the NWO. The release is scheduled for November and will document the stable from its inception in the 1990s all the way through its reformation in WWE in the 2000s.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/245067/WWE-Working-on-NWO-related-DVD.htm



I missed the first dvd that they did about the NWO (I hear I didn't miss much). I was wondering who they could get to interview for a documentary. Obviously, Hogan and Bischoff are out...although I am sure they have some footage from previous interviews.

There's Nash...Big Show...Waltman, maybe? DiBiase. Would they dare interview Steiner? Bret Hart. I love Hall, but...uh...yeah.

What about their foes? Obviously, they can't do Sting...which is a shame. DDP. I suppose Flair. Jericho feuded with Syxx over the cruiserweight title. Goldberg?

They could always bring in Okerlund. And then I guess they'd fill it out with their go-to guys for dvds...people like JR and Cena...even though they weren't there.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

They really need to move forward with Ryback,and put him in an actual feud.

I'm thinking he'll keep slowly working his way up until he faces Big Show or Kane or someone like that to put him over an opponent bigger than himself, then he'll probably get a title shot and lose, then finally he'll fade into an average mid-carder.

 

[Dr. Evil]

From 411mania.com:

WWE Working on NWO-related DVD
Posted on 07.03.2012

Covering the entire life of the stable…

- WWE is reportedly at work on a home video release focusing on the NWO. The release is scheduled for November and will document the stable from its inception in the 1990s all the way through its reformation in WWE in the 2000s.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/245067/WWE-Working-on-NWO-related-DVD.htm



I missed the first dvd that they did about the NWO (I hear I didn't miss much). I was wondering who they could get to interview for a documentary. Obviously, Hogan and Bischoff are out...although I am sure they have some footage from previous interviews.

There's Nash...Big Show...Waltman, maybe? DiBiase. Would they dare interview Steiner? Bret Hart. I love Hall, but...uh...yeah.

What about their foes? Obviously, they can't do Sting...which is a shame. DDP. I suppose Flair. Jericho feuded with Syxx over the cruiserweight title. Goldberg?

They could always bring in Okerlund. And then I guess they'd fill it out with their go-to guys for dvds...people like JR and Cena...even though they weren't there.

DDP, Dusty Rhodes, Rey Mysterio, Booker T

 

[SuperBatman]

Cody Rhodes in MITB? He's my pick to win the Smackdown MITB.

Also, Ryback vs. only one jobber?

I think Cody or Maybe Ziggler will win it.

 

[OnTheAir]

From 411mania.com:

WWE Working on NWO-related DVD
Posted on 07.03.2012

Covering the entire life of the stable…

- WWE is reportedly at work on a home video release focusing on the NWO. The release is scheduled for November and will document the stable from its inception in the 1990s all the way through its reformation in WWE in the 2000s.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/245067/WWE-Working-on-NWO-related-DVD.htm



I missed the first dvd that they did about the NWO (I hear I didn't miss much). I was wondering who they could get to interview for a documentary. Obviously, Hogan and Bischoff are out...although I am sure they have some footage from previous interviews.

There's Nash...Big Show...Waltman, maybe? DiBiase. Would they dare interview Steiner? Bret Hart. I love Hall, but...uh...yeah.

What about their foes? Obviously, they can't do Sting...which is a shame. DDP. I suppose Flair. Jericho feuded with Syxx over the cruiserweight title. Goldberg?

They could always bring in Okerlund. And then I guess they'd fill it out with their go-to guys for dvds...people like JR and Cena...even though they weren't there.

DDP, Dusty Rhodes, Rey Mysterio, Booker T

True...actually, I guess Dusty counts as an NWO member as well (*rolls eyes*)

 

[Wheels]

How stupid was it when Dusty Rhodes joined the nWo? I mean instead of letting him be the pro-nWo announcer, he was taken off commentary, and served no purpose.

 

[Metallo]

REALLY stupid. One of the most pointlesss switching of sides ever. It was supposed to be a big shock but if ANYONE should have been anti NWO it should have been Dusty.

When Da Dweem was part of the NWO it was during period when anyone could see what was wrong with that group and WCW in general.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Can't believe I dragged myself into this.

Doom was a bigger Bomb though. For a guy who is so sucessful it didn't really help.

I'm talking quality wise,not box office numbers.

The difference is most of the others never left the business for good to pursue a movie career. For most of them it was a side thing. Piper is one of the few who had a real go at it and quit wrestling for a while. Even Ventura didn't. And most of them didn't have the Rocks looks thus his marketability. More than anything that helped him. And in Hollywood sometimes that matters more than talent.

That's not really The Rock's problem.I don't think anyone has to stay put in one particular field.He found his calling as an actor.The Rock's success has absolutely nothing to do with those other guys not making it.They wanted to continue wrestling.Dwayne didn't.

Rock didn't have a ton of hits before he stopped being full time. Before he left for good a lot of his parts were SUPPORTING roles. Not all of them were leading roles. Mummy Returns was a glrorified bit part. And Scorpion King was a lower budget spinoff of that. He was in Be Cool but that was a sequel to an already estableshed series.

Walking Tall was a REMAKE that barely broke even. Southland Tales was another failure. Journey 2 and Fast Five were sequels to films that were already hits. He didn't launch those franchises.

If we are talking quality They Live was easily better than half the sh** The Rock did.

And They Live is a glorified B-Movie that I would say is on par with the The Rundown quality wise in my opinion (I enjoy both films though).I would also say Gridiron Gang was decent,but that's about it.I Don't really care if he had no role in launching the franchises because that's not really the point.I would say The Rock is successful enough to the point where he doesn't really need WWE,but he wanted to comeback.

Rock came back because a new member of his managmen team (his ex wife) felt it would be good for him. She was one of the ones tat pushed it as the right thing.

That disproves nothing imo.He may have been reluctant because he was probably trying to distance himself from wrestling,and let's be honest the mainstream media has a bias towards pro wrestling in general.He probably didn't want to hurt his film career.

 

[Spider Edge]

got around to watching this week's RAW......

AJ is so adorable.

 

[bullets]

Aw, man...I completely forgot The Great American Bashdown was tonight!

I never checked the date and didn't knnow this was on tonight. Hopefully I'll find it on yt tommorow. Just read Zack Ryder won the battle royal and the names added to the mitb.. hell yeah!!

Austin could've SERIOUSLY elevated JJ to that next level so it was wrong for him to not do it. Double J was VERY capable of being a main eventer in the WWE; he had all the tools necessary - all he needed was the right feud against the right face.

I was surprised the first time he left WWF. I thought he would of been a bigger star but instead came back and was feuding with Chyna. Then WCW using him for a lousy NWO recreation didn't help.

From 411mania.com:

WWE Working on NWO-related DVD
Posted on 07.03.2012

Covering the entire life of the stable…

- WWE is reportedly at work on a home video release focusing on the NWO. The release is scheduled for November and will document the stable from its inception in the 1990s all the way through its reformation in WWE in the 2000s.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/245067/WWE-Working-on-NWO-related-DVD.htm
.

Not really excited about this. The previous release was decent enough. The NWO in WWE is best left forgotten unless they stop at the night after Wrestlemania 18.

AJ's high school photo (I would of had a crush)

 

[TX85]

I'm automatically getting that nWo dvd,I experienced the nWo as it happened and I often see nWo/WCW stuff on Youtube..But this is still going into my collection!!

I've seen most matches in the Falls Count Anywhere dvd But still ended up buying it at the merchandise booth during Raw for$15!

 

[Anno_Domini]

If we're being frank Cena has NEVER done a piece of sh** as bad as Doom. Or Tooth Fairy.

12 Rounds, Legendary or The Reunion. Take your pick. The only two things I can stand of Cena is The Marine and his episode on Psych.

 

[TheFuture]

From 411mania.com:

WWE Working on NWO-related DVD
Posted on 07.03.2012

Covering the entire life of the stable…

- WWE is reportedly at work on a home video release focusing on the NWO. The release is scheduled for November and will document the stable from its inception in the 1990s all the way through its reformation in WWE in the 2000s.

Haven't they done this like...twice already or something?

 

[The Sage]

- It was reported earlier this week by The Wrestling Observer that Triple H had reached out to wrestling legend Bruno Sammartino, who has a troubled relationship with WWE and Vince McMahon, about being inducted into the 2013 Hall of Fame. Sammartino issued a statement later saying he was turning down WWE's invitation for the Hall. The Observer followed up and said Sammartino wasn't impressed by Triple H's approach on the phone. Sammartino issued another statement saying those reports were not true.

PWInsiderElite.com spoke with Sammartino this week about the reports. Sammartino discussed his talks with Triple H, his recent visit to Ring of Honor and more. Here are some highlights about his phone call with Triple H, thanks to Vinnie for passing along:

* Sammartino said Triple H was a gentleman, impressed him and they talked for a while. Triple H wanted to open communication because he was aware of the bad relationship between Vince and Bruno. Triple H figured Sammartino being inducted in the NY/NJ area would be good for the fans.

* Bruno mentioned that Triple H cited Madison Square Garden as a possible location for the ceremony.

* Bruno turned down the invite because he has issues with WWE and wouldn't feel right going into the Hall. Sammartino said he appreciated everything Triple H and WWE offered but in good conscious, he could not do it. Bruno brought up WWE not having a physical building for their Hall of Fame and the fact that they have non-wrestlers inducted.

* Regarding a future relationship with WWE, Bruno said there is no interest and as long as Vince McMahon is in the company, he doesn't think anything will happen between the two sides.

* Sammartino believes Triple H wants to do the right things for the business. Triple H told him that he respects the wrestling of yesteryear's and was trying to move away from some of the more racier stuff we've seen.

- Maxine, whose real name is Karlee Leilani Perez, quit WWE last week due to frustration with her lack of upward mobility after being affiliated with the sports entertainment organization for over three years. F4Wonline.com reports she wasn't the only female talent frustrated with her standing in the company and that some employees believe she will not be the last to leave on her own accord. This comes on the heels of Kelly Kelly taking a hiatus in order to return to modeling and see if she can land opportunities in Hollywood.

Maxine continues a trend that began last year of female talent opting to walk away from WWE, which includes Michelle McCool, Gail Kim, Maryse, Brie Bella and Nikki Bella.

- WWE.com looks back at the history of the Great American Bash—both WCW and WWE versions—with numerous photos and videos.

- When asked of the possibility of Paul Heyman returning to the announce booth, Jim Ross tweeted, "Unlikely but it's totally a WWE call."

- Kharma, who has not appeared for WWE since the Royal Rumble, is ready to return to the ring and waiting to be reintroduced on television. Many of her Diva peers are frustrated with her absence from television.

- Yoshi Tatsu is not as bad at English as portrayed on WWE programming. According to a friend of the SmackDown Superstar, he began taking English lessons as soon as he signed a contract with WWE in 2007 and is very smart.

"He's always trying to get better, and is always reading some English **** on his phone," said Tatsu's friend.

Tatsu is capable of carrying on perfectly understandable English conversations according to his friend. He also considers him a super hard worker who would do anything WWE asked of him.

- In July 4th birthdays, both Barry Windham and Sid Vicious turn 52 years old.

- The Brighthouse network in Florida has three more Florida Championship Wrestling TV shows to air so the new WWE NXT will begin airing there in HD on July 22nd. The new timeslot will be Sundays at 6pm with replays on Thursdays at 11pm. WWE told Brighthouse that while they decided against airing the new NXT online, they wanted to air it locally because FCW runs most of their shows in the Brighthouse viewing area. While Brighthouse is expecting to air the NXT show in a few weeks, they have not received the first tape yet.

- There are people in WWE hoping for Ric Flair to be named the permanent General Manager on the 1,000th RAW episode later this month but because of the status of TNA's lawsuit against WWE for alleged contract tampering, it's a long shot at the moment.

- Former WWE announcer Todd Grisham is in Las Vegas this week for the UFC event and will be interviewing UFC President Dana White for ESPN's MMA Live.

(source: F4WOnline.com)

F4WOnline.com is reporting that WWE is targeting Survivor Series on November 18th as the return date for The Undertaker.

Company officials feel that after undergoing two major surgeries last year and performing adequately at WrestleMania 28, Undertaker has several big matches left in the tank and could handle wrestling at both Survivor Series and WrestleMania 29.

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/343399317.php
http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/343382324.php
http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/343382293.php
http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/343398841.php
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/257343-wwe-tentatively-planning-the-undertakers-return-date

 

[Metallo]

Can't believe I dragged myself into this.


I'm talking quality wise,not box office numbers.

Quality wise *I* thought it was a piece of crap. So did The Rock apparently.

That's not really The Rock's problem.I don't think anyone has to stay put in one particular field.He found his calling as an actor.The Rock's success has absolutely nothing to do with those other guys not making it. They wanted to continue wrestling.Dwayne didn't.

I really don't give a f*** if its his problem. Thats not the point. You try to say he's done better? Most of the other guys didn't try. You can't say one thing then NOT look at the other side of it. All you're doing is giving a one sided view of the subject. If you're going to bring up a point show the other side of it.

And They Live is a glorified B-Movie that I would say is on par with the The Rundown quality wise in my opinion (I enjoy both films though).I would also say Gridiron Gang was decent,but that's about it.I Don't really care if he had no role in launching the franchises because that's not really the point.I would say The Rock is successful enough to the point where he doesn't really need WWE,but he wanted to comeback.

More people see They Live is a cult classic. Last time I checked South Park wasn't doing parodies of The Rundown. John Carpenter is a genre legend and They Live was shot far better dealing with deeper subject matter underneath its so called "B movie alien plot."

Considering his movie career has been uneven over the years maybe he did think he needed a jumpstart with adult males.

That disproves nothing imo.He may have been reluctant because he was probably trying to distance himself from wrestling,and let's be honest the mainstream media has a bias towards pro wrestling in general.He probably didn't want to hurt his film career.

That disproves it was HIS initial idea to come back. If it was his he would have done it years ago. "Funny" how he comes back right to a product with a primarily MALE demographic when he's trying to shake the stink of being a Disney star and is trying to make another go at it as an action star.

Its also funny that he comess back and his drawing power for Wrestlemania didn't do as well as some of the Rock marks claimed and the number continues to fall. I don't know if he needed WWE but he sure didn't do as much for them as he claimed. Cena and Michaels popped a better buyrate for f***s sake.

12 Rounds, Legendary or The Reunion. Take your pick. The only two things I can stand of Cena is The Marine and his episode on Psych.

Yeah because YOU are the end all be all authority on quality. I still thought Doom was a bigger piece of crap than anything Cena has done.

 

[chamber-music]

The Rock is the fourth the highest-paid actor in the USA according to Forbes magazine between between May 2011 and May 2012.

Business magazine Forbes published the list of earners, using figures including pay upfront, share of profits, endorsements and advertising work.

Here's the list in full:

1. Tom Cruise, $75 million (£47.9 million)
2. Leonardo DiCaprio, $37 million (£23.6 million)
3. Adam Sandler, $37 million (£23.6 million)
4. Dwayne Johnson, $36 million (£23 million)
5. Ben Stiller, $33 million (£21 million)
6. Sacha Baron Cohen, $30 million (£19 million)
7. Johnny Depp, $30 million (£19 million)
8. Will Smith, $30 million (£19 million)
9. Mark Wahlberg, $27 million (£17.2 million)
10. Taylor Lautner, $26.5 million (£16.9 million)
11. Robert Pattinson, $26.5 million (£16.9 million)

 

[Metallo]

The Rock is the fourth the highest-paid actor in the USA according to Forbes magazine between between May 2011 and May 2012.

Which doesn't mean a whole lot without some more details. I mean what exactly does endorsments and advertising work include? Does any of that include WWE payoffs?

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Quality wise *I* thought it was a piece of crap. So did The Rock apparently.

Ans Quality wise*I* thought The Marine one of the worst films I've ever seen.

I really don't give a f*** if its his problem. Thats not the point. You try to say he's done better? Most of the other guys didn't try. You can't say one thing then NOT look at the other side of it. All you're doing is giving a one sided view of the subject. If you're going to bring up a point show the other side of it.

So you're telling no other wrestler was ever serious about acting?Phoned it in,and got exactly what they most people would expect a half assed film.So it's better that none of the guys have tried rather than The Rock Actually trying.

More people see They Live is a cult classic. Last time I checked South Park wasn't doing parodies of The Rundown. John Carpenter is a genre legend and They Live was shot far better dealing with deeper subject matter underneath its so called "B movie alien plot."

Well it is a B-Movie to be honest.It's a really good B-movie,and that's not a bad thing at all.I personally think it's on par with The Rundown in terms of quality.The Rundown imo isn't that bad a film at all,and it's probably the only film of The Rock that I can say I enjoy.


Considering his movie career has been uneven over the years maybe he did think he needed a jumpstart with adult males.

That disproves it was HIS initial idea to come back. If it was his he would have done it years ago. "Funny" how he comes back right to a product with a primarily MALE demographic when he's trying to shake the stink of being a Disney star and is trying to make another go at it as an action star.

But he did comeback and that's really all that matters (to me atleast).He could have easily said no,and went about his way,but agreed and he thought it was a good idea.I don't think The Rock's career is doing all too bad.He's doing fine.

Its also funny that he comess back and his drawing power for Wrestlemania didn't do as well as some of the Rock marks claimed and the number continues to fall. I don't know if he needed WWE but he sure didn't do as much for them as he claimed. Cena and Michaels popped a better buyrate for f***s sake.

Don't really care about buyrates and stuff so moving on.

Yeah because YOU are the end all be all authority on quality. I still thought Doom was a bigger piece of crap than anything Cena has done.

Damn right I am,and I still say The Marine is worst.