Zoe Kravitz IS Catwoman

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Hot take: One of the few things I don't like about this movie is the fight scene between Batman and Catwoman. In the comics Selina is nowhere near Bruce's level of combat, he decks the **** out of her. But in The Batman seems like she is evenly matched/on the same skill level as him.

That makes no sense. I mean... Batman is the master of all martial arts, he literally spent nearly 12 years abroad honing his skills. But he can't beat Catwoman? No way!

It doesn’t seem that way. But even if she was, who cares?

 

[PepS]

Hot take: One of the few things I don't like about this movie is the fight scene between Batman and Catwoman. In the comics Selina is nowhere near Bruce's level of combat, he decks the **** out of her. But in The Batman seems like she is evenly matched/on the same skill level as him.

That makes no sense. I mean... Batman is the master of all martial arts, he literally spent nearly 12 years abroad honing his skills. But he can't beat Catwoman? No way!

Nah. If you compare the snippets of his fight with Selina to those where he's fighting the various thugs and goons, you can see he's being a lot more reserved with her. With her he's using Miyagi-Do, with the others he's using Cobra Kai.

 

[pixen]

I don’t if its due to how she’s being written, or how she’s being played, but every time I see Zoë in this, I feel like I want to see more. Whereas, with Anne in TDKR, I felt pretty much the exact opposite. And I absolutely love and adore Anne.

With TDKR, it always brings me back to how apparently Nolan didn’t seem that interested in Selina/Catwoman and that it was his brother that really pushed him for her to be included. Maybe that could be part of the reason as to why she feels so bland and boring in comparison to other iterations like say Michelle and seemingly Zoë. Well that’s how it feels to me at least.

The Super Nolan Bros should have trimmed the fat, and it isn't Selina. It was JGL/Blake and the orphanage stuff.

 

[WayneMB]

Hot take: One of the few things I don't like about this movie is the fight scene between Batman and Catwoman. In the comics Selina is nowhere near Bruce's level of combat, he decks the **** out of her. But in The Batman seems like she is evenly matched/on the same skill level as him.

That makes no sense. I mean... Batman is the master of all martial arts, he literally spent nearly 12 years abroad honing his skills. But he can't beat Catwoman? No way!

im sorry, if you think Bruce is giving his all in that fight with Selina you are dense. he's clearly holding back and only defending. Also, they're basically fight-dancing. just like in the comics. its their version of flirting and foreplay

 

[BatLobster]

The Super Nolan Bros should have trimmed the fat, and it isn't Selina. It was JGL/Blake and the orphanage stuff.

Nah, it just needed to be a bit longer IMO.

 

[pixen]

The new Tv Spot looks amazing and Zoe continues to serve high energy as Selina.

Nah, it just needed to be a bit longer IMO.

No. It was already long enough. JGL also felt so out of place. Acting wise and story wise. The time should have gone to Selina and Bruce.

 

[BatLobster]

No. It was already long enough. JGL also felt so out of place. Acting wise and story wise. The time should have gone to Selina and Bruce.

Not to drag up old TDKR debates, but respectfully disagree. Blake is important for the legacy themes of the film to pay off. The film isn't strictly about Bruce and Selena, it's much more focused on Bruce Wayne and his relationships with all the supporting characters and how they impact the final stage of his character arc. I also liked JGL's performance.

 

[shauner111]

He gives one of the better performances of that trilogy.

 

[Babillygunn]

So, as I am snowed in I let my mind wander and I came up with this realization. Stay with me here:


Jason Momoa is Zoe Kravitz’s step dad

Temuera Morrison was Jason Momoa’s dad in Aquaman

Temuera Morrison was married to Nicole Kidman in Aquaman

Nicole Kidman is Tom Cruise’s ex wife

Tom Cruise’s other ex wife is Katie Holmes

Katie Holmes was the love interest for Bruce Wayne in Nolan’s Batman Begins

Ergo, Nolan’s Batman could be a grandfather to Matt Reeves’ Catwoman.

 

[Eddie Dean]

That’s not how grandfathers work

 

[shauner111]

So, as I am snowed in I let my mind wander and I came up with this realization. Stay with me here:


Jason Momoa is Zoe Kravitz’s step dad

Temuera Morrison was Jason Momoa’s dad in Aquaman

Temuera Morrison was married to Nicole Kidman in Aquaman

Nicole Kidman is Tom Cruise’s ex wife

Tom Cruise’s other ex wife is Katie Holmes

Katie Holmes was the love interest for Bruce Wayne in Nolan’s Batman Begins

Ergo, Nolan’s Batman could be a grandfather to Matt Reeves’ Catwoman.

What

 

[Sawyer]

Bah Gawd.

 

[godisawesome]

Nah. If you compare the snippets of his fight with Selina to those where he's fighting the various thugs and goons, you can see he's being a lot more reserved with her. With her he's using Miyagi-Do, with the others he's using Cobra Kai.

Yeah, in general, the fun of their fight scenes is seeing Bruce trying to use what he believes is the appropriate amount of force for a thief rather than a violent criminal… then getting mildly surprised and impressed by Selina’s not-inconsiderable skill, but also being a bit confused by the flirtatious mixed signals she starts giving out at the same time, and finding himself also giving out mixed signals in response, because of a weird combination of attraction, competition, and wariness.

I mean, more than a few artists have fully embraced how awkward but not unenjoyable it can be for Batman to find himself fighting a beautiful woman in leather who carries a whip she alternates between trying to hurt him with then using it to tug him in for a kiss, or who’s response to “only” scratching his cheek with her razor sharp claws before he subdues her by kissing it better…

 

[ileg01]

New Catwoman picture. She looks great!

 

[cryptic name]

Hot take: One of the few things I don't like about this movie is the fight scene between Batman and Catwoman. In the comics Selina is nowhere near Bruce's level of combat, he decks the **** out of her. But in The Batman seems like she is evenly matched/on the same skill level as him.

That makes no sense. I mean... Batman is the master of all martial arts, he literally spent nearly 12 years abroad honing his skills. But he can't beat Catwoman? No way!

From the clips it looks to me like she's throwing all her skill at him and he's easily blocking and dodging without striking.

 

[pixen]

New Catwoman picture. She looks great!

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Stick an actual cowl on this and call it my favorite Catwoman outfit on screen. Even without it, it’s SO GOOD.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Stick an actual cowl on this and call it my favorite Catwoman outfit on screen. Even without it, it’s SO GOOD.

Stick this cowle on her, and call it a day.

 

[pixen]

Stick this cowle on her, and call it a day.

Maybe one that looks more like Cooke’s design. I hate the realistic looking cat ear cowl design that came with Hughes art. Keep it looking a little more aviator looking.

 

[Mani-Man]

She definitly needs the cowl and glasses, the suit looks super cool and the mask makes sense...but adding the cowl and glasses would make it perfect.

 

[GothamCity]

She definitly needs the cowl and glasses, the suit looks super cool and the mask makes sense...but adding the cowl and glasses would make it perfect.

Yeah that would be fantastic.

 

[antsman41]

She definitly needs the cowl and glasses, the suit looks super cool and the mask makes sense...but adding the cowl and glasses would make it perfect.

Prrrrefect.

 

[Invader Joker]

https://www.moviemaker.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-detective-story/2/

All The President’s Men was the third film in Pakula’s “paranoia trilogy,” which began with 1971’s Klute. In the film, Jane Fonda plays a matter-of-fact call girl stalked by a killer. Donald Sutherland plays a private detective who tries to save her. He is smart and determined, but also naive.

Reeves and Kravitz talked about Klute a lot.

“That film kind of became a Bible for me in terms of tone and the relationship between the two of them, and that’s one of the most incredible performances I’ve ever seen—Jane Fonda just blows me away,” says Kravitz.

“Also, one of my favorite actors is Donald Sutherland,” says Reeves. “And what I love about Donald Sutherland in that movie is he judges her — he judges her and yet he falls in love with her.

“And I just thought that there was something about that, that related to what I thought could be a Batman-Selina Kyle story. He doesn’t understand… what it takes to survive in this place. What you have to do just to survive in a place this rough.”

Like Bruce Wayne, Selina Kyle has no super powers. Both rely on their tenacity, deductive skills, and courage. But Bruce is super rich, and Selina has nothing.

“Selina has had a very difficult life, and has lived on the street, and is trying to survive,” says Kravitz. “She really knows how scary the world is. Just based off of certain things that Batman says, she can tell he grew up wealthy.”

“It’s a really interesting dynamic, and yet, they are very similar. And that really is about them having similar values and being people who do want to take what they believe in into their own hands. They’ve both also felt like outsiders their entire lives. But I think she has a much harsher view of the world, maybe a nihilistic view.”

Reeves says Selina helps Bruce realize how much he’s taken for granted.

“It takes a very special safety net to even be able to do what he’s doing. Yes, OK: He’s risking his life, but he’s risking his life in the way that only someone who has all the resources that he has can do. He absolutely has privilege, there’s no question. He was born with privilege. He is a descendant of city royalty.

“I wanted him to have an awakening of sorts where he would question her about what she was doing,” he says. “And she says, you know, I don’t know who you are. But whoever you are, you obviously grew up rich.”

 

[SquirrelBallZ]

New Catwoman picture. She looks great!

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Catwoman mask is so ghetto ha ha ha I can only imagine the explanation behind it, or makes her more believable as a thief I suppose which is what I envision.

 

[CaptainWagner]

https://www.moviemaker.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-detective-story/2/

All The President’s Men was the third film in Pakula’s “paranoia trilogy,” which began with 1971’s Klute. In the film, Jane Fonda plays a matter-of-fact call girl stalked by a killer. Donald Sutherland plays a private detective who tries to save her. He is smart and determined, but also naive.

Reeves and Kravitz talked about Klute a lot.

“That film kind of became a Bible for me in terms of tone and the relationship between the two of them, and that’s one of the most incredible performances I’ve ever seen—Jane Fonda just blows me away,” says Kravitz.

“Also, one of my favorite actors is Donald Sutherland,” says Reeves. “And what I love about Donald Sutherland in that movie is he judges her — he judges her and yet he falls in love with her.

“And I just thought that there was something about that, that related to what I thought could be a Batman-Selina Kyle story. He doesn’t understand… what it takes to survive in this place. What you have to do just to survive in a place this rough.”

Like Bruce Wayne, Selina Kyle has no super powers. Both rely on their tenacity, deductive skills, and courage. But Bruce is super rich, and Selina has nothing.

“Selina has had a very difficult life, and has lived on the street, and is trying to survive,” says Kravitz. “She really knows how scary the world is. Just based off of certain things that Batman says, she can tell he grew up wealthy.”

“It’s a really interesting dynamic, and yet, they are very similar. And that really is about them having similar values and being people who do want to take what they believe in into their own hands. They’ve both also felt like outsiders their entire lives. But I think she has a much harsher view of the world, maybe a nihilistic view.”

Reeves says Selina helps Bruce realize how much he’s taken for granted.

“It takes a very special safety net to even be able to do what he’s doing. Yes, OK: He’s risking his life, but he’s risking his life in the way that only someone who has all the resources that he has can do. He absolutely has privilege, there’s no question. He was born with privilege. He is a descendant of city royalty.

“I wanted him to have an awakening of sorts where he would question her about what she was doing,” he says. “And she says, you know, I don’t know who you are. But whoever you are, you obviously grew up rich.”

Great interview - Also, can we now get Donald Sutherland and/or Jane Fonda in a Batman sequel?

 

[chintai80]

https://www.moviemaker.com/the-batman-matt-reeves-detective-story/2/

All The President’s Men was the third film in Pakula’s “paranoia trilogy,” which began with 1971’s Klute. In the film, Jane Fonda plays a matter-of-fact call girl stalked by a killer. Donald Sutherland plays a private detective who tries to save her. He is smart and determined, but also naive.

Reeves and Kravitz talked about Klute a lot.

“That film kind of became a Bible for me in terms of tone and the relationship between the two of them, and that’s one of the most incredible performances I’ve ever seen—Jane Fonda just blows me away,” says Kravitz.

“Also, one of my favorite actors is Donald Sutherland,” says Reeves. “And what I love about Donald Sutherland in that movie is he judges her — he judges her and yet he falls in love with her.

“And I just thought that there was something about that, that related to what I thought could be a Batman-Selina Kyle story. He doesn’t understand… what it takes to survive in this place. What you have to do just to survive in a place this rough.”

Like Bruce Wayne, Selina Kyle has no super powers. Both rely on their tenacity, deductive skills, and courage. But Bruce is super rich, and Selina has nothing.

“Selina has had a very difficult life, and has lived on the street, and is trying to survive,” says Kravitz. “She really knows how scary the world is. Just based off of certain things that Batman says, she can tell he grew up wealthy.”

“It’s a really interesting dynamic, and yet, they are very similar. And that really is about them having similar values and being people who do want to take what they believe in into their own hands. They’ve both also felt like outsiders their entire lives. But I think she has a much harsher view of the world, maybe a nihilistic view.”

Reeves says Selina helps Bruce realize how much he’s taken for granted.

“It takes a very special safety net to even be able to do what he’s doing. Yes, OK: He’s risking his life, but he’s risking his life in the way that only someone who has all the resources that he has can do. He absolutely has privilege, there’s no question. He was born with privilege. He is a descendant of city royalty.

“I wanted him to have an awakening of sorts where he would question her about what she was doing,” he says. “And she says, you know, I don’t know who you are. But whoever you are, you obviously grew up rich.”

reading about what zoe says here makes me really hyped for her catwoman and her dynamic with batman.
lot of good insights from her and reeves.