🤛 Official UFC Thread - Part 8

[TheVileOne]

DarthSkywalker, she might have been cleared, but that doesn't necessarily mean she was fit to fight IMHO.

I'm not saying Nunes and her camp didn't mishandle this. However, I think cancelling the fight was the right move. IMHO forcing your champion to fight because your doctor says she's cleared the day she went to the hospital, IMHO, not a good look. What if Nunes got her head knocked off?

Not saying its ideal and that Nunes isn't at fault at all, but a doctor's clearance doesn't necessarily mean there was nothing wrong with her.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

DarthSkywalker, she might have been cleared, but that doesn't necessarily mean she was fit to fight IMHO.

I'm not saying Nunes and her camp didn't mishandle this. However, I think cancelling the fight was the right move. IMHO forcing your champion to fight because your doctor says she's cleared the day she went to the hospital, IMHO, not a good look. What if Nunes got her head knocked off?

Not saying its ideal and that Nunes isn't at fault at all, but a doctor's clearance doesn't necessarily mean there was nothing wrong with her.

That is exactly what it means though.

Ask Cain, who wanted to fight Werdum back in December, but couldn't because he was wasn't deemed fit to fight. All these fighters have "something wrong with them". Whittaker's leg was messed up before the fight, and it was clearly hampering him early. But he still fought.

 

[Iceman]

So apparently Shevchenko was paid $70k and Nunes wasn't paid. She wasn't stripped of her title because she doesn't have a record of pulling out of fights. And Dana White said he wouldn't main event her again.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am very happy Shevchenko got some money. She did everything she was suppose to do, including making weight.

 

[Iceman]

If people are taking risks beyond the norm and then bulking up massively after the weigh in (not saying that's the case here but doing so is probably one of those things that is going to make you feel not quite right), it seems like a dangerous form of cheating. And I don't care too much about the danger to the person trying to cheat, more the person having to fight someone heavier than they should be if they happen to have pulled it off well. I realise it's a thing that's been going on for ages in fighting sports with weigh ins some time ahead of the fight but I've always hated it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Dana White said he'd never book Jon Jones in the main event again, even Jones vs. Cormier 2. And then lo and behold, he makes them the main event. Just saying.

It's possible Nunes was messing up with her weight cut. If she did, that's on her.

 

[B]

Dana White said he'd never book Jon Jones in the main event again, even Jones vs. Cormier 2. And then lo and behold, he makes them the main event. Just saying.

Jones & DC though are both PPV draws. Aside from maybe Conor McGregor who else could go above them on a card.

Even though Dana said that, once his blood pressure dropped & he'd calmed down he'd have realised there's very few fights that could have been made that would have pushed those 2 to a co-main event.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Dana was trying his hardest to get some sort of sense into Jones. The thing is, its Dana. So instead of a scalp, it was more like a machete of rage. He never meant that with Jones. Nunes isn't that kind of draw.

 

[B]

Nunes isn't a draw at all currently. She's never had any sort of hype behind her, not for the want of trying though from the UFC given some of the cards they've had her on. She doesn't have anywhere near the sort of leverage that Jones has despite all his **** ups.

 

[TheVileOne]

Dana was trying his hardest to get some sort of sense into Jones. The thing is, its Dana. So instead of a scalp, it was more like a machete of rage. He never meant that with Jones. Nunes isn't that kind of draw.

When push comes to shove and there's no other main events available, he will book this as a main event.

 

[B]

Whoa.. Santiago Ponzinibbio put the 170lb division on notice with that KO of Gunnar Nelson. Eyepoke aside he has some wicked power in his hands & the dude is aggressive.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Conor has been a UFC champion for 19 months. He has defended a title exactly 0 times. But remember when Jose Aldo ruined the FW division by not defending the belt for a year do to injury?

 

[TheVileOne]

Jose Aldo was like poison to the featherweight division. After coming to the UFC, he lost a lot of the excitement factor that made him look so scary in the WEC. Refused to learn English as well. Also pulled out of title fights on numerous occasions. They finally booked a fight with him and Edgar, a fight he'd been asking for a very long time, and then he gets injured in a motorcycle accident causing the fight to get pulled. Again, this wasn't a training injury. He got hurt riding his motorcycle in Brazil. Then pulled out of the McGregor fight after getting a rib injury from sparring. It was an incident that never should've happened.

Junior dos Santos learned English very quickly and it definitely helped his career. He doesn't have to be perfect at it, but do it some and it will help sell yourself to the fans.

IMHO, training camps should be regulated. Fighters don't get paid to train. If they are over-training and constantly getting hurt in training, then they aren't doing it right.

 

[B]

Strong card this weekend at UFC 214. Looking forward to the DC/Jones fight & Woodley/Maia, but that Lawler/Cerrone fight has the potential to be a war.

Also in other news & very good for MMA; ABC approves adoption of four new weight classes for MMA

The ABC approved the addition of four new weight classes — at 165 pounds, 175 pounds, 195 pounds and 225 pounds, per multiple regulators in attendance at the conference. The weight classes will be called super lightweight, super welterweight, super middleweight and cruiserweight, respectively. The current 170-pound division — welterweight — will remain in the Unified Rules.

The likes of the UFC & Bellator are under no obligation to adopt these weight classes, but for me, I think they should really look into it given there are a lot of fighters particularly between lightweight - welterweight - middleweight that somewhat hover in between those weight classes ie they're too big for one, but too small for the other. Not to mention I've always thought the jump from light heavyweight to heavyweight has been far too big & could do with another weight class in between for sure.

 

[legendkillin]

Bones back on top!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Another victory for PED users.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Strong card this weekend at UFC 214. Looking forward to the DC/Jones fight & Woodley/Maia, but that Lawler/Cerrone fight has the potential to be a war.

Also in other news & very good for MMA; ABC approves adoption of four new weight classes for MMA



The likes of the UFC & Bellator are under no obligation to adopt these weight classes, but for me, I think they should really look into it given there are a lot of fighters particularly between lightweight - welterweight - middleweight that somewhat hover in between those weight classes ie they're too big for one, but too small for the other. Not to mention I've always thought the jump from light heavyweight to heavyweight has been far too big & could do with another weight class in between for sure.

They should dump 170 and add 165 and 175.

 

[B]

Exceptional performance from Jon Jones, rightfully back on top of the LHW division where he should have been this whole time. I felt he was in control of the opening 2 rounds gradually picking DC apart with kicks & straights. I didn't expect him to KO him & finish him so emphatically.

Good to see Jones at least act more mature & like he actually has learned from his mistakes, even if it is potentially only for the cameras, gave good respect to DC & acted like a proper champion on the mic afterword, so credit where credit is due.

Was especially good fight given the co-main Woodley & Maia stunk up the joint. After Woodley's 3 title fights, I think the governing bodies really need to MMA's scoring system & if it remains the same, start using 10-10 rounds correctly (of which I'm not even sure they exist in MMA) & more actively. There were a couple of rounds in the fight tonight in which quite literally nothing happened & I can only surmise that Woodley was awarded the round 10-9 by the judges for stuffing a takedown attempt. I don't actually dispute that Woodley won tonight, the scorecards of 50-45, 49-46 which to me sound like Woodley beat the breaks off Maia for 5 rounds which just wasn't the case. He was so concerned about not getting taken down he offered very little offense of his own, I'd actually be interested to see the fight metric stats because I heard Rogan say it broke a record for the lowest number of strikes thrown in a fight UFC history... and this was a 5 round fight as well. Awful contest, both men in the end lost IMO, hope GSP doesn't pick him, would rather see him fight Bisping.

Cerrone/Lawler was a good fight, not quite the war I thought it was going to be, but still a good fight none the less. Thought Lawler just about won it, 2nd round was unquestionably Cerrone's & I felt Lawler did just enough to win the 1st & 3rd rounds.

 

[B]

They should dump 170 and add 165 and 175.

Agree 100%.

The sooner they add these new weight classes & titles into the UFC/Bellator the better & IMO you'll start to see guys like Dos Anjos, Cerrone, Nate Diaz etc really shine. Guys who arguably struggle with the cut to 155lbs but are then too small for 170lbs.

It would hopefully eliminate the number of people missing weight.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Missing weight will always be an issue when these guys think they can always go down one more level. But I am all for weight classes every ten pounds up to 205. It just makes sense. 155 to 170 to 185 to 205 has always been really stupid imo.

 

[Lobo]

Can anyone tell me how this whole Jones/Lesnar beef started?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Can anyone tell me how this whole Jones/Lesnar beef started?

It actually started when there were rumors that Lesnar was going to go back into the USADA drug testing pool and then the rumors skyrocketed from there.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Woodley bored himself out of the GSP fight lol

 

[B]

Woodley bored himself out of the GSP fight lol

I'd never begrudge someone for fighting tactically, but since he's become champion his performances have been straight up boring & he rightfully shouldn't be getting put in against one of the GOAT. I'm not what you'd call super hyped to see GSP fight Bisping either, but at the same time I'd rather see him fight Bisping than Woodley..

Woodley only has himself to blame for losing the big payday fight he wanted & he only has himself to blame for the lack of fan love & respect he gets IMO.

 

[legendkillin]

I still respect Woodley he stopped 24 takedowns from a world class submission artist. Styles make fights Maia can't stand and trade with him and Woodley is not going to roll and transition with Maia. The margin for error was slim but it just takes a slight slip/dodge of Woodley charging in and Maia would be all over him. He fought a smart fight.

I like how the media and majority want GSP back. I remember him being a king of boring safe fights. He rarely finished fights and was always apologizing in the ring when it was done.

I don't like how Dana dealt with the situation either. It may not have been the most exciting fight but as the boss you don't bash the guy publicly.