🥊 The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 5

[Doc Samson]

What's everyone's prediction for Ruiz vs Joshua 2? I'm rooting for Ruiz

Unpopular opinion but I think Buster Douglas would've always been somewhat of a challenge for Tyson.

Douglas had deep motivation and obviously Mike wasn't at all focused, but Tyson had issues with taller guys with a good jab more than once. It's an underrated fight in general, but when I watch it I'm always reminded of the effort it still took for Buster to win. It wasn't a Rahman/Lewis sparking, he had to walk through some fire and really beat him.

I say all that to say Ruiz didn't just win against AJ, he beat him too and there's a difference to me. Ruiz had to survive and show some grit. His hands are deceptively fast and I'm not sure a better camp or more focus is going to change any of that for AJ. I think it might be another tough night...

 

[HammerDown]

Wilder-Fury II set for Feb. 22

"We're going to have an announcement before Christmas, but the fight is happening Feb. 22. You can go to sleep on that," Arum said.

 

[famicommander]

This is why Wilder is going to win the Fury rematch.

After the first fight, Fury refused the immediate rematch. He went on to toy with Tom Schwarz, a prospect ranked in the mid-50s, and then nearly get stopped on a nasty cut by Otto Wallin, another prospect ranked in the mid-50s. All the while he's writing a book, recording a Christmas album, wrestling in WWE, becoming a man-purse model, and getting into twitter wars with MMA dudes.

Wilder, on the other hand, fought two top ten contenders. Breazeale was a mandatory but there was absolutely no reason for him to risk the Fury rematch against a killer like Ortiz, but he did anyway. And he knocked them both out cold with one big punch each.

Fury has lost focus again. I'm just hoping he makes it to the rematch without another mental breakdown, drug relapse, or positive steroid test.

 

[B]

This is why Wilder is going to win the Fury rematch.

After the first fight, Fury refused the immediate rematch. He went on to toy with Tom Schwarz, a prospect ranked in the mid-50s, and then nearly get stopped on a nasty cut by Otto Wallin, another prospect ranked in the mid-50s. All the while he's writing a book, recording a Christmas album, wrestling in WWE, becoming a man-purse model, and getting into twitter wars with MMA dudes.

Wilder, on the other hand, fought two top ten contenders. Breazeale was a mandatory but there was absolutely no reason for him to risk the Fury rematch against a killer like Ortiz, but he did anyway. And he knocked them both out cold with one big punch each.

Fury has lost focus again. I'm just hoping he makes it to the rematch without another mental breakdown, drug relapse, or positive steroid test.

Where are you getting Fury refused an immediate rematch? Fury's ESPN deal & Wilder's Showtime deal complicated negotiations. On top of that I think Fury allegedly wanted the rematch to take place in England & Fury didn't want that.. not without being compensated, which was one of the same reasons why the AJ deal could never get made with Wilder.

Also your ranking estimations are off, aside from the fact that boxing rankings in general are a joke because of several different organisations all with drastically differing rankings, however Otto Wallin is top 10 under WBA & Tom Schwarz top 10 under WBO, I also believe the pair of them are/were top 20 under the other major organisations.

 

[famicommander]

Where are you getting Fury refused an immediate rematch? Fury's ESPN deal & Wilder's Showtime deal complicated negotiations. On top of that I think Fury allegedly wanted the rematch to take place in England & Fury didn't want that.. not without being compensated, which was one of the same reasons why the AJ deal could never get made with Wilder.

Also your ranking estimations are off, aside from the fact that boxing rankings in general are a joke because of several different organisations all with drastically differing rankings, however Otto Wallin is top 10 under WBA & Tom Schwarz top 10 under WBO, I also believe the pair of them are/were top 20 under the other major organisations.

Check your timeline. Fury signed with Top Rank/ESPN DURING the rematch negotiations. He pulled out of the rematch to fight prospects instead.

And the WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO rankings aren't a literal ranking of the best fighters in a given division. They rank contenders following specific paths to their titles. They do not rank each other's title holders and they do not rank anyone who doesn't declare a specific intention to fight for their belt. So being in the top 10 of the WBA's rankings doesn't mean that they consider you the #10 fighter in the world. It means they consider you the #10 fighter who doesn't hold anybody else's belt and who has declared an intention to fight for the WBA belt.

BoxRec, TBRB, ESPN, and the Ring rank the entire divisions, including all the champions of the alphabet soup organizations.

Those rankings I listed were from BoxRec at the time of their fights against Fury, because they are the only ones that rank that many fighters. Wallin and Schwarz were nowhere near the rankings for TBRB, ESPN, or Ring.

 

[Docker2.0]

Where are you getting Fury refused an immediate rematch? Fury's ESPN deal & Wilder's Showtime deal complicated negotiations. On top of that I think Fury allegedly wanted the rematch to take place in England & Fury didn't want that.. not without being compensated, which was one of the same reasons why the AJ deal could never get made with Wilder.

Also your ranking estimations are off, aside from the fact that boxing rankings in general are a joke because of several different organisations all with drastically differing rankings, however Otto Wallin is top 10 under WBA & Tom Schwarz top 10 under WBO, I also believe the pair of them are/were top 20 under the other major organisations.

Famicorder is right. Fury and Arum refused the immediate rematch and wanted a couple of soft touches to "maximize profits and build up the fight"............Arum's go to term.

 

[famicommander]

Famicorder is right. Fury and Arum refused the immediate rematch and wanted a couple of soft touches to "maximize profits and build up the fight"............Arum's go to term.

Arum is a dinosaur and boxing has left him behind. ESPN isn't happy with Top Rank's ratings and Crawford vs Khan did abysmal PPV numbers.

Al Haymon and Eddie Hearn are this generation's Arum and Don King (except I don't think Eddie Hearn is a double murderer like King).

Meanwhile, Oscar De La Hoya is self destructing. Probably back on the coke.

 

[B]

Check your timeline. Fury signed with Top Rank/ESPN DURING the rematch negotiations. He pulled out of the rematch to fight prospects instead.

And the WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO rankings aren't a literal ranking of the best fighters in a given division. They rank contenders following specific paths to their titles. They do not rank each other's title holders and they do not rank anyone who doesn't declare a specific intention to fight for their belt. So being in the top 10 of the WBA's rankings doesn't mean that they consider you the #10 fighter in the world. It means they consider you the #10 fighter who doesn't hold anybody else's belt and who has declared an intention to fight for the WBA belt.

BoxRec, TBRB, ESPN, and the Ring rank the entire divisions, including all the champions of the alphabet soup organizations.

Those rankings I listed were from BoxRec at the time of their fights against Fury, because they are the only ones that rank that many fighters. Wallin and Schwarz were nowhere near the rankings for TBRB, ESPN, or Ring.

When Fury signed with ESPN & Wilder signed for Showtime the negotiations had already broken down/stalled that's why the pair had the deals announced within weeks of one another, they were obviously both already talking about other options between them.

The reasons you've listed is why the boxing rankings in general are a joke & even the combined rankings are incredibly misleading especially for lesser known fighters.

 

[famicommander]

When Fury signed with ESPN & Wilder signed for Showtime the negotiations had already broken down/stalled that's why the pair had the deals announced within weeks of one another, they were obviously both already talking about other options between them.

The reasons you've listed is why the boxing rankings in general are a joke & even the combined rankings are incredibly misleading especially for lesser known fighters.

The reasons I listed are why the governing bodies' rankings are a joke.

BoxRec, Ring, TBRB, and ESPN have good rankings that make sense and according to those rankings, Schwarz and Wallin are prospect level at best. Fury picked them for the same reason he picked Seferi and Pianeta before the first Wilder fight; he wanted a soft touch. Except it almost backfired; if it were anybody but Tyson Fury fighting Otto Wallin, that fight would've been stopped on that cut and Wallin would have been awarded a TKO victory.

Fury went after two guys with a combined 63% KO rate against lower level journeymen competition, and almost lost one.

Wilder went after two guys that were consensus top 10 with a combined 75% KO percentage and knocked them both out.

It's well known that Fury is the one who didn't want the immediate rematch. He didn't know where has was when he scraped himself off the canvas in the 12th and when they fight again, Wilder will catch him earlier and keep him down.

 

[B]

The reasons I listed are why the governing bodies' rankings are a joke.

BoxRec, Ring, TBRB, and ESPN have good rankings that make sense and according to those rankings, Schwarz and Wallin are prospect level at best. Fury picked them for the same reason he picked Seferi and Pianeta before the first Wilder fight; he wanted a soft touch. Except it almost backfired; if it were anybody but Tyson Fury fighting Otto Wallin, that fight would've been stopped on that cut and Wallin would have been awarded a TKO victory.

Fury went after two guys with a combined 63% KO rate against lower level journeymen competition, and almost lost one.

Wilder went after two guys that were consensus top 10 with a combined 75% KO percentage and knocked them both out.

It's well known that Fury is the one who didn't want the immediate rematch. He didn't know where has was when he scraped himself off the canvas in the 12th and when they fight again, Wilder will catch him earlier and keep him down.

To each their own, I think collectively they're all incredibly misleading.

If Fury wasn't battering Wallin before & after the cut, I'd agree. The fact he went on to dominate the rest of the fight means he was perfectly fine being allowed to continue.

It's well known Wilder won't fight in England so prices himself out of fighting there to act like he wants it. If he's the guy he says he is, he'd have fought AJ at Wembley & he'd have accepted the rematch with Fury at Old Trafford & it would have been made inside a month of the original.

 

[famicommander]

To each their own, I think collectively they're all incredibly misleading.

If Fury wasn't battering Wallin before & after the cut, I'd agree. The fact he went on to dominate the rest of the fight means he was perfectly fine being allowed to continue.

It's well known Wilder won't fight in England so prices himself out of fighting there to act like he wants it. If he's the guy he says he is, he'd have fought AJ at Wembley & he'd have accepted the rematch with Fury at Old Trafford & it would have been made inside a month of the original.

Wilder agreed to Joshua fight in the UK. The contract Hearn sent Wilder didn't specify a location, date, or even that the Joshua fight would be next. Hearn intentionally didn't file for an extension with the WBA and used the impending Povetkin mandatory to try to force Wilder into signing a contract without any details on it. Wilder called his bluff, the WBA enforced the mandatory, and Joshua fought Povetkin instead.

On the other hand, Wilder's team offered Anthony Joshua a guaranteed 50 million dollar up front fee plus a percentage of the PPV and live gate and a mandatory rematch clause to fight and Joshua turned it down. Joshua turned down what would have been the most money any heavyweight ever made for any fight in history.

Wilder vs Fury II is going to be in the US because it's a way, way bigger fight in the US than the UK.

 

[B]

Wilder agreed to Joshua fight in the UK. The contract Hearn sent Wilder didn't specify a location, date, or even that the Joshua fight would be next. Hearn intentionally didn't file for an extension with the WBA and used the impending Povetkin mandatory to try to force Wilder into signing a contract without any details on it. Wilder called his bluff, the WBA enforced the mandatory, and Joshua fought Povetkin instead.

On the other hand, Wilder's team offered Anthony Joshua a guaranteed 50 million dollar up front fee plus a percentage of the PPV and live gate and a mandatory rematch clause to fight and Joshua turned it down. Joshua turned down what would have been the most money any heavyweight ever made for any fight in history.

Wilder vs Fury II is going to be in the US because it's a way, way bigger fight in the US than the UK.

If he'd actually agreed to it the fight would have happened long before a Fury fight even came about. Eddie Hearn/AJ are not without blame, but if you think Wilder is an anytime, anywhere & any price fighter, you're a fool. He's just as bad as Fury & AJ have been, I don't blame any of them they're all trying to get the best deal(s) for themselves. But of the 3 of them the only 1 with a bit of balls was Fury because he went into Wilder's home soil to fight something neither AJ nor Wilder would do.. and he should have got the decision.

I keep reading that & I don't believe it, the first fight sold 100,000 more PPV's in the UK than the US despite it being shown around 4am here & country sizes. If it was actually at a decent time more people would probably order it.

 

[famicommander]

If he'd actually agreed to it the fight would have happened long before a Fury fight even came about. Eddie Hearn/AJ are not without blame, but if you think Wilder is an anytime, anywhere & any price fighter, you're a fool. He's just as bad as Fury & AJ have been, I don't blame any of them they're all trying to get the best deal(s) for themselves. But of the 3 of them the only 1 with a bit of balls was Fury because he went into Wilder's home soil to fight something neither AJ nor Wilder would do.. and he should have got the decision.

I keep reading that & I don't believe it, the first fight sold 100,000 more PPV's in the UK than the US despite it being shown around 4am here & country sizes. If it was actually at a decent time more people would probably order it.

PPVs in the US are 4X the price as they are in the UK and tickets at the gate are 5-20X the price.

 

[HammerDown]

One important question that isn't being asked enough is... Why does Deontay Wilder have such "freakish" power?

What makes him have so much power on that right hand? He's tall but he isn't that heavy for that stature. He's very muscular though and basically doesn't have an ounce of fat on that body, also he has a quick release on those punches which should add to the momentum and amount of power he delivers.

Having said that i would like to draw attention to the fact that DW has metal pins in his right fist. So basically from what i've read he has metal reinforcing the bones on his right fist. Could that also be one of the reasons why he punches so hard? I don't know but it sounds a bit dodgy to me. Sure he's still punching with gloves but having a rock solid reinforced fist to me definitely adds to the power.

He punched Bermane Stiverne so hard in the world championship fight that he bent the metal rods in his surgically repaired right hand …

Wilder - “That is true. Somewhere in the third or the fourth round. I realized it because my hand started going numb. I knew what it was, because I had it happen before. The first time I did it I knocked him out and I didn’t have to go through the entire fight."

Deontay Wilder - 10 Things You May Not Know About Him

Deontay Wilder (37-0, 36 KOs) has broken his right hand at least three times in the past seven years. He had metal pins inserted after an injury he suffered in his seventh professional fight, a 90-second stoppage of Travis Allen in August 2009.

Wilder on the mend following surgeries on his arm, hand

So Wilder has had his hand cirurgical "repaired" before 2015 when he fought Bermane Stiverne. Needless to say that before that he had already 32 fights with most won by KO but clearly against sub-par opponents, none of these 32 opponents lasted longer that 4 rounds... most lasted 1 round.

 

[famicommander]

So Wilder has had his hand cirurgical "repaired" before 2015 when he fought Bermane Stiverne. Needless to say that before that he had already 32 fights with most won by KO but clearly against sub-par opponents, none of these 32 opponents lasted longer that 4 rounds... most lasted 1 round.

Even before the first Stiverne fight, Wilder knocked out former WBO heavyweight champion Siarhei Liakhovich in one round (Liakhovich later took Andy Ruiz the full 10 round distance) and also top 15 contender Malik Scott in one round.

Wilder's power comes from his leverage, his handspeed, and his pure unrestrained viciousness. Wilder isn't trying to win rounds. He's out there trying to put people to sleep, 100% of the time.

 

[HammerDown]

This is why Wilder is going to win the Fury rematch.

After the first fight, Fury refused the immediate rematch. He went on to toy with Tom Schwarz, a prospect ranked in the mid-50s, and then nearly get stopped on a nasty cut by Otto Wallin, another prospect ranked in the mid-50s. All the while he's writing a book, recording a Christmas album, wrestling in WWE, becoming a man-purse model, and getting into twitter wars with MMA dudes.

Wilder, on the other hand, fought two top ten contenders. Breazeale was a mandatory but there was absolutely no reason for him to risk the Fury rematch against a killer like Ortiz, but he did anyway. And he knocked them both out cold with one big punch each.

Fury has lost focus again. I'm just hoping he makes it to the rematch without another mental breakdown, drug relapse, or positive steroid test.

Fury is a completely different animal than those 2.
He's not a sitting duck. He's constantly on the move outboxing and making you look silly like he did against Wilder.

From what i've read Ortiz won every single round of his fight against Wilder. It was only when Ortiz started slowing down when DW in the 7th round could accurately target and pin him down. Then again how old is Ortiz really? They tried to make the cuban look younger by giving him a clean haircut, he lost weight and all of that... There's plenty controversy related to his real age which many claim to be closer to 50 than 40.

Fury is only 31. Much younger than DW let alone Ortiz. Fury will slip and slide all night. He's always on the move with a great defense, a composed offense constantly chipping away on his opponents.

Fury fought and outboxed Wilder in their fist fight even though he had been out of the ring for 3 years, gain a ton of weight and had all of his problems. Then he had 2 warm up fights and went straight up to the top and almost took the crown away from Wilder. This time around Fury will be 100% fit and ready to go, Fury definitely has margin for improvement while Wilder is what he is, a 1 trick pony with a very hard right hand... I'm not saying it's not a game changer of a trick but he's limited otherwise while Fury has a lot more weapons in his arsenal.

Underestimate Fury at your own peril. Like the legendary trainer Emanuel Steward once said:
"There’s a certain toughness inside of Tyson Fury, don’t ever, ever underestimate Tyson"

 

[famicommander]

Fury is a completely different animal than those 2.
He's not a sitting duck. He's constantly on the move outboxing and making you look silly like he did against Wilder.

From what i've read Ortiz won every single round of his fight against Wilder. It was only when Ortiz started slowing down when DW in the 7th round could accurately target and pin him down. Then again how old is Ortiz really? They tried to make the cuban look younger by giving him a clean haircut, he lost weight and all of that... There's plenty controversy related to his real age which many claim to be closer to 50 than 40.

Fury is only 31. Much younger than DW let alone Ortiz. Fury will slip and slide all night. He's always on the move with a great defense, a composed offense constantly chipping away on his opponents.

Fury fought and outboxed Wilder in their fist fight even though he had been out of the ring for 3 years, gain a ton of weight and had all of his problems. Then he had 2 warm up fights and went straight up to the top and almost took the crown away from Wilder. This time around Fury will be 100% fit and ready to go, Fury definitely has margin for improvement while Wilder is what he is, a 1 trick pony with a very hard right hand... I'm not saying it's not a game changer of a trick but he's limited otherwise while Fury has a lot more weapons in his arsenal.

Underestimate Fury at your own peril. Like the legendary trainer Emanuel Steward once said:
"There’s a certain toughness inside of Tyson Fury, don’t ever, ever underestimate Tyson"

Fury was fatter for the fights after Wilder than he was for the Wilder fight. He was in shape that night.

And again, Wilder wasn't trying to win rounds against Ortiz. He was just setting up his shot.

Ortiz is not closer to 50, that's just something people who want to discredit Wilder's wins repeat online constantly. He was born in 1979 and there is little controversy about that.

Wilder only took 34 punches in the Ortiz rematch. He fought slowly and patiently, and knocked Ortiz out without taking any significant blows back. In the first fight against Ortiz, Wilder needed 3 knockdowns to keep Ortiz down for good and Wilder himself was very nearly knocked out in the 7th round.

Wilder's performance in the second Ortiz fight was a night and day improvement over his performance in the first Ortiz fight.

Wilder's performance in the second Stiverne fight was also a night and day improvement over his performance in the first Stiverne fight. The first time Stiverne took him the distance, the second time Wilder blasted him out in one round.

Wilder is better than he was in the first fight against Fury. His performances against Ortiz tell the story. He is much more patient, balanced, and relaxed in there.

Fury has looked significantly worse in the two fights since the first Wilder mach.

Wait and see. We have already seen the very best of Fury. Wilder took his soul in the 12th round of that fight, and as long as Fury actually shows up to the rematch he's getting knocked out savagely.

 

[Docker2.0]

Wilder is from down south, in the woods. They are known to be country strong so that explains his power. Real talk, those home grown southern boys ain't no joke.

 

[HammerDown]

Fury was fatter for the fights after Wilder than he was for the Wilder fight. He was in shape that night.

And again, Wilder wasn't trying to win rounds against Ortiz. He was just setting up his shot.

Ortiz is not closer to 50, that's just something people who want to discredit Wilder's wins repeat online constantly. He was born in 1979 and there is little controversy about that.

Wilder only took 34 punches in the Ortiz rematch. He fought slowly and patiently, and knocked Ortiz out without taking any significant blows back. In the first fight against Ortiz, Wilder needed 3 knockdowns to keep Ortiz down for good and Wilder himself was very nearly knocked out in the 7th round.

Wilder's performance in the second Ortiz fight was a night and day improvement over his performance in the first Ortiz fight.

Wilder's performance in the second Stiverne fight was also a night and day improvement over his performance in the first Stiverne fight. The first time Stiverne took him the distance, the second time Wilder blasted him out in one round.

Wilder is better than he was in the first fight against Fury. His performances against Ortiz tell the story. He is much more patient, balanced, and relaxed in there.

Fury has looked significantly worse in the two fights since the first Wilder mach.

Wait and see. We have already seen the very best of Fury. Wilder took his soul in the 12th round of that fight, and as long as Fury actually shows up to the rematch he's getting knocked out savagely.

- Fury lost a ton of weight for the Wilder fight and he definitely wasn't in prime condition after 3 years out of the ring and only 2 warm up fights.

- Wilder wasn't trying to win rounds? He never is then, specially against superior opposition...

- Ortiz's age as been widely debated for a long time. Of course Wilder fans will dismiss the controversy.

- So basically Wilder waited until Ortiz ran out of gas to nail him down to the canvas. I'm not surprised Wilder "looked better", even though he lost all the rounds until he KO'ed Ortiz... According to those who have seen Ortiz latest fights he's just getting worse. Age catches with us all.

- Also who's Stiverne? He's no-one of note. Btw the second time he fought Wilder he had been out of the ring for 2 years.

- Is Wilder better? He's probably just even more selective with his shots. Since if he tries to land to many of those on superior opposition he's just going to look silly and get hurt himself.

- How did Fury looked worse? He just raises up to the level of his opponents. He toyed with Schwarz and with Wallin he got tagged creating a horrible injury but he was never in doubt of winning that fight. He fought his heart out even not being able to see from 1 eye and showed his true fiber. Had he not sustained that cut he would've taken out Wallin much earlier.

- In theory we've seen the best of both fighters. Both where shown capable of defeating each other. Remembered when Fury got knocked down in that last round, he then got up and beat Wilder's ass back to his corner. Fury has plenty of grit, confidence and determination to put the hurt on Wilder.

 

[famicommander]

Who is Stiverne?

uh, the former WBC heavyweight champion of the world, perhaps? 25-4-1 with 21 KOs?

And Fury got hit more by Wallin than anybody, and he almost got stopped on a legit cut.

Fury is on the slide. He's losing focus and he's close to going off the rails again.

You really don't even watch boxing, do you?

I've seen every televised fight Fury, Joshua, Wilder, and Ortiz have ever had.

 

[HammerDown]

Who is Stiverne?

uh, the former WBC heavyweight champion of the world, perhaps? 25-4-1 with 21 KOs?

And Fury got hit more by Wallin than anybody, and he almost got stopped on a legit cut.

Fury is on the slide. He's losing focus and he's close to going off the rails again.

You really don't even watch boxing, do you?

I've seen every televised fight Fury, Joshua, Wilder, and Ortiz have ever had.

Taking the belt away from Stiverne is no achievement. Stiverne is average at best. Everyone’s curriculum is manufactured to show a lot of KO’s mainly early on.

And why did Fury got hit that much? Because he could see from 1 eye only. The only legit worrie for the fight being stopped was that massive gash over his right eye not because Fury was in any sort of problem otherwise. He was putting the hurt on Wallin, even severely impaired...

He’s just having fun and caching in on some publicity stunts. For that amount of money I can’t blame him. Otherwise you’re projecting your own ideas on how he really feels.

I’ve seen plenty regarding Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Whyte, Ortiz, Chisora, Ruiz, Povetkin, Joyce, Dubois, Klitshcko...

 

[famicommander]

Taking the belt away from Stiverne is no achievement. Stiverne is average at best. Everyone’s curriculum is manufactured to show a lot of KO’s mainly early on.

And why did Fury got hit that much? Because he could see from 1 eye only. The only legit worrie for the fight being stopped was that massive gash over his right eye not because Fury was in any sort of problem otherwise. He was putting the hurt on Wallin, even severely impaired...

He’s just having fun and caching in on some publicity stunts. For that amount of money I can’t blame him. Otherwise you’re projecting your own ideas on how he really feels.

I’ve seen plenty regarding Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Whyte, Ortiz, Chisora, Ruiz, Povetkin, Joyce, Dubois, Klitshcko...

Wallin had no business laying a glove on Fury in the first place. Wallin is a never-gonna-be.

 

[Iceman]

Fury's main weakness is that at 6'9 and being reasonably well built he has very little KO power for his size. Getting a decision in the US against the longstanding heavyweight champion is never going to be straightforward, unless he completely dominates (like the first fight without the KOs). I'm not really a fan of the style of either boxer.

 

[HammerDown]

Wallin had no business laying a glove on Fury in the first place. Wallin is a never-gonna-be.

You can't go out in the rain and expect not to get wet. These things happen. Fighting heavyweights isn't just one way traffic and a southpaw(specially a 6 ft 6, well built one with some skill) is always a tricky proposition.

Again Fury raises up to the occasion and against Wallin he probably left his guard a bit and got tagged. In the end of the day he won in a dramatic fashion, overpowering his adversary on sheer will and determination to get through a 12 round fights even though he was severely impaired. In my book he gets bonus points for that warrior attitude.

 

[famicommander]

You can't go out in the rain and expect not to get wet. These things happen. Fighting heavyweights isn't just one way traffic and a southpaw(specially a 6 ft 6, well built one with some skill) is always a tricky proposition.

Again Fury raises up to the occasion and against Wallin he probably left his guard a bit and got tagged. In the end of the day he won in a dramatic fashion, overpowering his adversary on sheer will and determination to get through a 12 round fights even though he was severely impaired. In my book he gets bonus points for that warrior attitude.

Hilarious that you try to give Fury extra credit for beating a pillow-fisted southpaw prospect, but you try to downplay Wilder's win over the best southpaw in the division and the second hardest-hitter in the division.