2009 NFL Thread, part 2

[StorminNorman]

Sanchez On Pete Carroll

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You include this with Sanchez's performance on Saturday and Sanchez may have a new fan in me.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Again, a statement thrown out be people who don't know the facts. 7 of the 13 teams that won overtime games this year loss the coin toss.

THIS year. Taken a look at the all-time stats? I never said they win all the time, I said they have the advantage- usually wind up winning. Over half do.

Since piledriving Rodgers would have been a continuation of the contact that caused the tackle, no a penalty would not have been called. Now if the player unnecessarily driven Rodgers into the turf, then yes - a penalty would have been called. But comparing an inadvertent facemask to an intentional act is, of course, absurd.

Apparently you're missing what I'm getting at by piledriving. I'm talking about say, Rodgers won't go down, the opposing player lifts him off the ground and pulls some sort of WWE move on him, like what happened, I believe, a week ago, and was called.

The inadvertent facemask should have been called because it pulled the helmet down over Rodgers's eyes. Whether it's inadvertent or not, it was done. If it hadn't yanked the helmet down, then sure, it shouldn't have been called, and I'd have been fine with that. But the fact of the matter was, it broke the rules. Period. You can laugh and act as arrogantly as you want, but you're wrong.

But, y'know, seeing as how it's my newfound "favorite team", I guess I just wanted the penalty called regardless.

 

[BlackLantern]

but Normans right, the ball was already out of his hand...so essentially Rogers being tackled was "behind the play"...i think its a big grey area because of the removal of the "incidental" facemask

 

[StorminNorman]

THIS year. Taken a look at the all-time stats? I never said they win all the time, I said they have the advantage- usually wind up winning. Over half do.

Again, it's hard to stand by that claim when this year proved it entirely wrong.

Apparently you're missing what I'm getting at by piledriving. I'm talking about say, Rodgers won't go down, the opposing player lifts him off the ground and pulls some sort of WWE move on him, like what happened, I believe, a week ago, and was called.

But that's completely different from an inadvertent facemask penalty. An utterly invalid comparison.

The inadvertent facemask should have been called because it pulled the helmet down over Rodgers's eyes. Whether it's inadvertent or not, it was done. If it hadn't yanked the helmet down, then sure, it shouldn't have been called, and I'd have been fine with that. But the fact of the matter was, it broke the rules. Period. You can laugh and act as arrogantly as you want, but you're wrong.

An inadvertent facemask isn't against the rules. Not anymore. The fact it forced the helmet over Rodger's eyes is irrelevant. Facemask is only punishable if you grab it to bring down a player, grab it and twist it or do something comparable. That did not occur.

 

[Darthphere]

but Normans right, the ball was already out of his hand...so essentially Rogers being tackled was "behind the play"...i think its a big grey area because of the removal of the "incidental" facemask

Yeah, but it would have negated the touchdown. In which Arizona would probably make a chip shot field goal but anything can happen.

 

[CELTICPRED]

Congrats to Woodson on Defensive POTY.

 

[Hotwire]

Just reading all this about the facemask. Maybe they did grab Rogers' facemask intentionally, maybe not. BUT, there was another example of almost the same situation, earlier in the game. Warner threw the touchdown pass to Fitzgerald. As the ball leaves his hand his facemask is grabbed. The Packers get called for roughing the passer. Just watch.
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Just food for thought.

 

[StorminNorman]

Not a comparable play. And if it was, the fact it was roughing the passer would mean that such a penalty was not applicable for the last play since there was no pass (meaning no passer to rough).

 

[That-Guy]

I'm not trying to belittle what Woodson has done all season, but does anyone else find it a little ironic that he won Defensive Player of the Year after Green Bay's defense got brutally carved up on Sunday?

 

[CELTICPRED]

No.

 

[Hotwire]

Not a comparable play. And if it was, the fact it was roughing the passer would mean that such a penalty was not applicable for the last play since there was no pass (meaning no passer to rough).

The comparison was the facemask grab, and subsequent tackle. One was called, the other was not.

 

[Captain Planet!]

Ravens over Colts, 27-24.

Chargers over Jets, 30-18


Vikings over Cowboys, 31-27

Saints over Cardinals, 26-20


Bank on it. Or not.

 

[Hotwire]

Gonna make some changes here.

Ravens over Colts, 27-24.
Colts over Ravens 27-24. Won by a field goal in OT on the Colts first possession after they win the coin toss.

Chargers over Jets, 30-18
Jets over Chargers 24-14. Revis was robbed of DPOTY!

Vikings over Cowboys, 31-27
I agreee with this one, but I say 35-0. The Cowboys don't get any points because I hate them.

Saints over Cardinals, 26-20
Again I agree, but this is gonna be a shoot out like ARI v. GB. Probably, 40-35 or higher.

 

[Matt]

IF on some off chance Peyton Manning ends up losing due to the NFL's overtime rule, I guarantee they would change it in the off-season. No way they could stand for it if it deprived their poster boy a play-off win.

 

[Matt]

Any how, my picks:

Ravens over Colts
Chargers over Jets
Vikings over Cowboys
Cards over Saints.

 

[StorminNorman]

The comparison was the facemask grab, and subsequent tackle. One was called, the other was not.

The tackle was called, not the facemask. If the facemask was called, it would have been a facemask. The tackle (which was a bad call anyway) was called because it came after the ball was thrown. The tackle would never have been called off the fumble, because the tackle caused the fumble.

Am I missing something here?

 

[Pythagoras]

IF on some off chance Peyton Manning ends up losing due to the NFL's overtime rule, I guarantee they would change it in the off-season. No way they could stand for it if it deprived their poster boy a play-off win.

I thought Tom Brady was their poster boy?

 

[That-Guy]

Any how, my picks:

Ravens over Colts
Chargers over Jets
Vikings over Cowboys
Cards over Saints.

You sure you're a Pittsburgh fan, bud? I know you hate Peyton Manning, but there is no excuse for ever rooting for the Ravens.

 

[Matt]

I'm not rooting for them, I'm just predicting them for the picks game. This Baltimore team reminds me of the 2005 Steelers. And we all remember how everyone said the Colts were going to destroy the 2005, wild card Steelers in the first round and look what happened. I'm thinking history will repeat itself so I have to predict Baltimore.

 

[Astrø]

You sure you're a Pittsburgh fan, bud? I know you hate Peyton Manning, but there is no excuse for ever rooting for the Ravens.

I don't know, Ravens have a beast deff, and running game. Look at what they did to my Fins last year in the Playoffs, Then again that was Fins. Colts deff is a weak point. If Ravens can hit hard with the running game they could grind them down.

 

[That-Guy]

Understood, I'm not doubting that the Ravens are good. Just, as a Pittsburgh fan, I'll pick against them until I die. I don't care if they are playing the Rams... I'll still hope against hope that they'll blow the game. It's what happens when you work in Baltimore for a couple years and everyday you see idiots with bumper stickers featuring a big purple bird flicking off Pittsburgh. It gets to you after a while.

In regards to the 2005 playoff thing... I see where you're coming from Matt but even in Ben's early years he didn't have as pathetic of a passing game as Flacco did the other day. If the Colts can stop the run (and yes, I realize that is a big "if") then I'm not sure how effective the Ravens will truly be.

 

[Raiden]

My call:

Colts over Ravens
Jets over Chargers (like my previous pick, I'll stick with Jets)
Vikings over Cowboys
Cards over Saints

 

[BlackLantern]

Colts barely over the Ravens...barely, Baltimore may lose but Indy will limp out of there

Chargers over the Jets...Phillip Rivers will turn the *****e meter up to 11

Vikings over Cowboys...Romo comes up short, but I expect a good game on both sides

Saints over Cards...I love Kurt Warner, but I don't know if he can get '99 Kurt Warner to manifest 2 weeks in a row

 

[Kane52630]

My Predictions

Colts over Ravens

Jets over Chargers

Vikings over Cowboys

Saints over Cards

 

[SurfDUI]

Looks like Al Davis was on point about Lane. Score 1 for crazy old geezers.