2010-2011 NBA thread: There's No Crying in Basketball

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[Gotham Knight]

That's A reason, sure, but is it really anywhere near the top on the list of reasons people dislike this team? Probably not. Whatever the case, people are watching and this team has helped make the NBA interesting for the first time in a long time.

What other reasons would people have to hate them? Lebron James was arguably the most liked athlete in all of sports. The reason he is so hated, is because most people think he gave up and quit in game five against Boston last season and when he realized that he isn't good enough to win a championship on his own, he would run to Miami to take the role of Robin to D-Wade's Batman. That he and D-Wade and Bosh would dominate the entire league and that he would get carried to seven championships as he said. And not only that, he did it in a self promoting one hour special on ESPN which embarrassed the entire city of Cleveland in the process. Fans of other NBA teams even felt bad for the entire city which has a bad history with all their sports teams, and then to top it off, not even a week after but a day after he and Bosh signed with Miami, you have them on stage dancing around like they had just defeated the Lakers in game seven of the finals. And you mix in Lebron making arrogant statements about karma after a depleted Cavs team gets crushed by the Lakers and about how he's going to continue to be great after a win against his old team and you get this. And it doesn't help that people think Bosh is Wade and Lebron's lapdog. The same guy that claims his head coach wants them to work hard while he just wants to chill. For the most part, Bosh and D-Wade aren't talking that much, but Lebron is always making a statement to put them in the news.

 

[Poeman]

commitment to defense...keep it up knicks

 

[Go Web Go!]

Jesus. More of this new thread nonsense? Get ready to follow the 8 separate playoff threads come this time next month. Anyhow...

What other reasons would people have to hate them? Lebron James was arguably the most liked athlete in all of sports. The reason he is so hated, is because most people think he gave up and quit in game five against Boston last season and when he realized that he isn't good enough to win a championship on his own, he would run to Miami to take the role of Robin to D-Wade's Batman. That he and D-Wade and Bosh would dominate the entire league and that he would get carried to seven championships as he said. And not only that, he did it in a self promoting one hour special on ESPN which embarrassed the entire city of Cleveland in the process. Fans of other NBA teams even felt bad for the entire city which has a bad history with all their sports teams, and then to top it off, not even a week after but a day after he and Bosh signed with Miami, you have them on stage dancing around like they had just defeated the Lakers in game seven of the finals. And you mix in Lebron making arrogant statements about karma after a depleted Cavs team gets crushed by the Lakers and about how he's going to continue to be great after a win against his old team and you get this. And it doesn't help that people think Bosh is Wade and Lebron's lapdog. The same guy that claims his head coach wants them to work hard while he just wants to chill. For the most part, Bosh and D-Wade aren't talking that much, but Lebron is always making a statement to put them in the news.

What other reasons would people have to hate them? Really? So to you it's mostly about the event they put together immediately after the players signed that makes them unlikable?

I'd say it's a combination of a few things:

-LeBron going about his free agency the way that he did. People hate the attention-seeking multi-millionaire. Pair that with the "quitter" label he was slapped with after the Boston series and the way he shat on Cleveland on national television and poof, the NBA has a new villain.

-People hate when one team "buys" all the talent. Why do you think so many people hate the Yankees? They make moves. They get who's available. The Heat did the same. James, Wade, and Bosh were the top free agents available (slide Bosh down a few spots, fine). Teams in the market for any of these players would have been happy with one. Miami landed all 3 - discounted.

-The notion that this was the plan between the players all along. Toronto and Cleveland have pointed the finger, insinuating there might have been some collusion, yet people forget that Bosh and LeBron didn't sign with Miami outright. They were dealt in separate sign-and-trades.

-The forced-down-your-throat coverage. It's been non-stop from the get-go to the point that even I'm sick of it, so I can't imagine the casual NBA fan is very fond of it. An entire section devoted to Heat coverage on ESPN's website? On location reports from training camp? It's excessive, yes. Throw in non-stories like what any of these guys tweet or that LeBron is 'happy' for the Cavs because they won a game against team X and you have your topper.

Like I said, I get why the "celebration" irks people, I do, but is it a bigger deal than the reasons I listed above? Whatever the case, I do agree that LeBron is the reason behind most of the hate. You hear little to nothing about Wade and Bosh is only given crap when he has a bad game.

 

[Gotham Knight]

First of all you make some good points, but did you read my entire post? I gave you multiple reasons and most of them were the same points you're making. And I never stated that their ridiculous celebration was the entire reason they get so much heat, it was the "main" reason. Yes, because like you previously stated, nothing like their signings to the Heat had happened before and nothing like three superstars celebrating on a stage like they are in the WWE before winning a single game had happened in the NBA before.

LeBron going about his free agency the way that he did. People hate the attention-seeking multi-millionaire. Pair that with the "quitter" label he was slapped with after the Boston series and the way he shat on Cleveland on national television and poof, the NBA has a new villain.

Uh...Didn't I make note of all of that in my last post? And game five against Boston wasn't even when the criticism started, it was in the series that they played the Bulls and he decided to shoot free throws left handed to show the world that he was injured. Many people took it as him setting up an excuse just in case they lost in a later round. Like to the Celtics.

People hate when one team "buys" all the talent. Why do you think so many people hate the Yankees? They make moves. They get who's available. The Heat did the same. James, Wade, and Bosh were the top free agents available (slide Bosh down a few spots, fine). Teams in the market for any of these players would have been happy with one. Miami landed all 3 - discounted.

I agree with that.

The notion that this was the plan between the players all along. Toronto and Cleveland have pointed the finger, insinuating there might have been some collusion, yet people forget that Bosh and LeBron didn't sign with Miami outright. They were dealt in separate sign-and-trades.

So people are mad that three guys who have been close since they were drafted in 2003 were talking to each other about playing together? Or maybe Pat Reilly was tampering and working behind the scenes to get these guys together? I don't see fans being upset by this considering they had already said in public that they occasionally talk about playing on the same team one day. You're saying that fans are also upset because Pat Reilly broke the rules? I've heard a lot of criticism against the Heat from fans and the media, but I've never heard people claim they were upset because of possible tampering.

The forced-down-your-throat coverage. It's been non-stop from the get-go to the point that even I'm sick of it, so I can't imagine the casual NBA fan is very fond of it. An entire section devoted to Heat coverage on ESPN's website? On location reports from training camp? It's excessive, yes. Throw in non-stories like what any of these guys tweet or that LeBron is 'happy' for the Cavs because they won a game against team X and you have your topper.

Yes, I forgot to mention ESPN and the way that a loss or a win from the Heat is breaking news with them. They also do the same thing with the Knicks and it's very annoying.

Like I said, I get why the "celebration" irks people, I do, but is it a bigger deal than the reasons I listed above? Whatever the case, I do agree that LeBron is the reason behind most of the hate. You hear little to nothing about Wade and Bosh is only given crap when he has a bad game.

I wouldn't say it's a bigger deal than the reasons you posted above. And I thought that was clear since the majority of the reasons you gave I clearly stated in my last post. But remember this took place in July. The season started in late October. For months people had that image of those three in their head, celebrating arrogantly like they had won it all. Had they just done it quietly, it wouldn't be this bad.

They aren't just getting bashed this hard because of their on stage celebration, but I would argue it's what truly started all of this hate against the Heat.

 

[Ghostvirus]

This new thread thing is a little weird when it splits up in the middle of a debate. What are you all yapping about?

 

[Darthphere]

You know what the funny thing is? In most cases, 3 elite NBA superstars taking paycuts to team up for the sake of winning would be something that people would commend. This is not most cases as they are the most hated team in sports.

 

[Wylie Times]

You know what the funny thing is? In most cases, 3 elite NBA superstars taking paycuts to team up for the sake of winning would be something that people would commend. This is not most cases as they are the most hated team in sports.

They were being praised for that at first. Then they had their championship celebration. People were already pissed at Lebron (because of how he went about things) and the whole spectacle just put even more people off. It was a bunch of little things that have lead to some people rooting against them.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

The thing that kills me is that they didn't need 3 elite superstars. Keep Wade, get LeBron and spend the ridiculous amount of money they used up on Bosh to actually build a team around those 2 guys. A TEAM. Not a bunch of guys that basically just fall down. Those aren't role players. Those are bad players. A few who shouldn't even be playing anymore, like Dampier and Z, they probably shouldn't even be in the league anymore and they're on the SAME ****ING TEAM no less.

 

[SpideyVille]

I like how it went from the Heat players crying in the locker room to having "glossy eyes".

 

[Poeman]

You know what the funny thing is? In most cases, 3 elite NBA superstars taking paycuts to team up for the sake of winning would be something that people would commend. This is not most cases as they are the most hated team in sports.

How can you commend a team for gloating the way they did this past offseason.

Lebron guaranteed 8 rings...They had a WWE style intro and Lebrons decision special was just

 

[ComicChick]

so let's rename this new thread. ideas?

 

[Erzengel]

2010-2011 National Basketball Association Season Thread

 

[SpideyVille]

2010-2011 NBA thread: Why You Crying?

 

[Wylie Times]

The thing that kills me is that they didn't need 3 elite superstars. Keep Wade, get LeBron and spend the ridiculous amount of money they used up on Bosh to actually build a team around those 2 guys. A TEAM. Not a bunch of guys that basically just fall down. Those aren't role players. Those are bad players. A few who shouldn't even be playing anymore, like Dampier and Z, they probably shouldn't even be in the league anymore and they're on the SAME ****ING TEAM no less.

They don't have 3 Elite Superstars. They have two elite stars and Chris Bosh. I had been saying over and over again that Bosh isn't a top ten player but people were buying into his hype.

As for player who shouldn't be in the league anymore Juwan Howard is at the top of that list. The Heat actually have bigs, they're just all old and broken down.

 

[Darthphere]

How can you commend a team for gloating the way they did this past offseason.

Lebron guaranteed 8 rings...They had a WWE style intro and Lebrons decision special was just

All of which is irrelevant to my original point. The whole celebration thing was overblown sure, but it was for the fans. People were excited, they were excited, it was what we call fun. Of course people will see it as gloating or whatnot, but it's really no different than when Shaq came to Miami.

 

[SpideyVille]

All of which is irrelevant to my original point. The whole celebration thing was overblown sure, but it was for the fans. People were excited, they were excited, it was what we call fun. Of course people will see it as gloating or whatnot, but it's really no different than when Shaq came to Miami.

Isn't that almost the same for when a team wins a championship and guarantees a repeat at the parade, or is that more respected because they have actually proven themselves to be winners?

 

[Darthphere]

Isn't that almost the same for when a team with a championship and guarantees a repeat at the parade, or is that more respected because they have actually proven themselves to be winners?

The latter. I mean, the Heat might win a championship at some point (lets be honest, not this year) but only D-Wade has won a ring on this team and that was a while ago. The fact that Lebron was the one counting down how many rings they're going to win when he without a doubt quit on his last team in the playoffs doesn't really go well with many fans.

Again, I'm like the only Heat fan I know of that didn't want Lebron.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

That Celtics series was truly bizarre. The series is tied 2-2 and I think LeBron killed them in Game 4. Then...what the hell happened? He just decided that his teammates weren't good enough anymore? I find it hard to believe he phoned it in to have a good reason to sign with Miami but what else is there? The elbow thing?

 

[Bob ROARman!]

They don't have 3 Elite Superstars. They have two elite stars and Chris Bosh. I had been saying over and over again that Bosh isn't a top ten player but people were buying into his hype.

As for player who shouldn't be in the league anymore Juwan Howard is at the top of that list. The Heat actually have bigs, they're just all old and broken down.

Call Bosh whatever you want, it's besides the point, he basically got a max contract. If they had used that money to spend on decent players to surround Wade and LeBron, it would have been MUCH better money spent. As it is, they got 2 great players, 1 good player that will go to waste, and a bunch of bums. That's not a team. Don't say it wasn't possible, the Bulls were in the same position and built an entire team from scratch (minus Rose) during the same offseason. As it's turning out, and time will only tell, they may end up to be the true winners of that offseason. It's already a wrap on the Knicks.

 

[Gotham Knight]

Call Bosh whatever you want, it's besides the point, he basically got a max contract. If they had used that money to spend on decent players to surround Wade and LeBron, it would have been MUCH better money spent. As it is, they got 2 great players, 1 good player that will go to waste, and a bunch of bums. That's not a team. Don't say it wasn't possible, the Bulls were in the same position and built an entire team from scratch (minus Rose) during the same offseason. As it's turning out, and time will only tell, they may end up to be the true winners of that offseason. It's already a wrap on the Knicks.

Couldn't agree more. If they want a realistic chance to win a championship anytime soon, next season they really need to put Bosh on the trade block to try and get rid of his contract.

 

[Wylie Times]

But aren't you both agreeing?

Yeah, the only part of contention was the idea of Bosh being an Elite player. LOL

 

[Gotham Knight]

Yeah, the only part of contention was the idea of Bosh being an Elite player. LOL

My bad, I edited my post when I read yours over. And as far as Bosh being an elite player, his stats were inflated on a very bad Raptors team. A lot like Kevin Love. Not that I'm putting those two on the same level. But well Bosh is(was) a good scorer and had great stats last season, he's arguably the softest player in the game. And that doesn't show up in the stat line. As far as I'm concerned, to be an elite player you have to play defense.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

Well he got elite player money and that's really the entire point.

 

[Ghostvirus]

How about "Every Rose has an NBA Thread"?