2011 NFL Thread: The Lazarus Season - Part 2

[StorminNorman]

So that proves the Lions are an elite team? I'm sorry, that proves nothing. I am not saying this is the same old Lions. I do think they Lions are a GOOD team. But, you're saying they're a GREAT team, which they have yet to prove at this juncture. Elite teams are teams that win 12 or more games. I just don't see the Lions winning that many. I am seeing 10 wins for the Lions tops this year. I also think the NFC North will end up being between the Packers and Bears again. Lions are on the up swing, yes. But elite? I'm sorry, jury is still out on that. I won't salivate over them because they beat the Bucanneers.

I never said that the Lions-Bucs game proves the Lions are elite, only saying that pointing to that game as evidence that the Lions aren't elite is ridiculous.

The reason you should "salivate" over the Lions is a roster consisting of some elite talent, tremendous depth, a nasty defensive line and great coaching.

 

[Matt]

Maybe so... but it's still against the rules and I don't buy that Belichick in all his infinite football wisdom simply didn't know that. I'm not one of those people who thinks that the Pats should be stripped of their Super Bowl titles or anything (and there are some people who do), I'm just saying that they got caught breaking the rules and it's annoying that everyone treats them like they are somehow morally superior to the rest of the league.

They got caught because a former assistant who left on bad terms knew his tricks. Newsflash: Tomlin does it. Cowher did it. Does that make their Super Bowls invalid? Taping signals is against the rules but is one of those rules that EVERYONE breaks so it is just part of the game. And Belichik is the smartest coach in the NFL.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Matt Millen leaving is the reason for the Lions success thus far.

 

[StorminNorman]

In a way that's true. It is Millen's leadership that allowed the Lions to be in position to pick up Megatron, Stafford and Suh,

 

[Hound55]

In a way that's true. It is Millen's leadership that allowed the Lions to be in position to pick up Megatron, Stafford and Suh,

Out of those two who has more violent tendencies?

Or

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The latter

 

[Venom'sDad]

Oh Come On Man...

Lets all just pile on and make him a villain. He is nowhere near as violent as Harrison; and you put him up against Megatron, because a nick-name that really does not fit....

Come On Man

 

[omid17]

They got caught because a former assistant who left on bad terms knew his tricks. Newsflash: Tomlin does it. Cowher did it. Does that make their Super Bowls invalid? Taping signals is against the rules but is one of those rules that EVERYONE breaks so it is just part of the game. And Belichik is the smartest coach in the NFL.

well said

 

[Hound55]

Honesty I think he's every bit as violent as Harrison... Perhaps not quite so vocal and unrepentant about it though. But if he gets the chance I don't believe he'd think twice about ripping a QBs head off... Or a RB... or, well, pretty much anyone if it were worthwhile to him.

Dude's a thug. Damn talented, but still a thug.

But yeah, I was pretty much just being a smartrse because Megatron and Suh were used in the same sentence...

 

[Wheels]

Oh Come On Man...

Lets all just pile on and make him a villain. He is nowhere near as violent as Harrison; and you put him up against Megatron, because a nick-name that really does not fit....

Come On Man

Who says what Suh does is wrong?

 

[Spider-Fan]

They got caught because a former assistant who left on bad terms knew his tricks. Newsflash: Tomlin does it. Cowher did it. Does that make their Super Bowls invalid? Taping signals is against the rules but is one of those rules that EVERYONE breaks so it is just part of the game. And Belichik is the smartest coach in the NFL.

Agreed. The Pats have remained an elite team even after that whole controversy, including a 16-0 season and near SB victory. The 3 Super Bowls were not flukes of cheating.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Who says what Suh does is wrong?

I don't know... I thought the conversation was about violent intent.

 

[omid17]

loved how they picked up Chad and Albert for pretty much nothing

 

[Wheels]

I don't know... I thought the conversation was about violent intent.

I don't have a problem with Suh's "violent intent" myself.

 

[Hound55]

I don't have a problem with it when it stays within the rules of the game... But it doesn't always.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I don't have a problem with it when it stays within the rules of the game... But it doesn't always.

I agree...look, I'm a fan of the Oakland Raiders, who at one time was once one of the most feared and intimidating team in the league. That was a different time and culture.

Football is a violent sport by nature; but I don't think Suh should be compared to an obvious villain whose intent is to completely end and destroy his opposition. Just seem like an intent(no pon intended) to vilify & malign another of the league truely good guy; and put him on the level of some of the league real bad guys.

Now, if he calls himself Megatron, so be it.

 

[Hound55]

That said, when he swings off of QB's necks like they're a f***ing jungle gym he's kind of vilifying and maligning his own name...

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Suh plays the game the game the way it SHOULD be played, especially with this QB coddling BS.

Playing defense hard IS the soul of the NFL.

 

[Venom'sDad]

LOL, dude you cannot take "one hand" full of plays out of a thousand+ snaps he has been involved in, to try making a point that he is some kind of dirty player...on the level of lets say Harrison, the Denver Broncos, etc. Get real.

He is a tough player in a city whose team need a tough identity.

 

[Hound55]

I'm cool with playing defense hard... Hell, play both ways hard. I love watching some solid heavy blocks too... But heads are generally supposed to stay on torsoes...

 

[BlackLantern]

That said, when he swings off of QB's necks like they're a f***ing jungle gym he's kind of vilifying and maligning his own name...

racist

 

[Hound55]

LOL, dude you cannot take "one hand" full of plays out of a thousand+ snaps he has been involved in, to try making a point that he is some kind of dirty player...on the level of lets say Harrison, the Denver Broncos, etc. Get real.

He is a tough player in a city whose team need a tough identity.

Why? He's not getting in on the QB on those 1,000+ snaps is he?

It has to do with opportunity, and it hppens with too great a frequency when those opportunities show themselves to just be recklessness or negligence.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Why? He's not getting in on the QB on those 1,000+ snaps is he?

It has to do with opportunity, and it hppens with too great a frequency when those opportunities show themselves to just be recklessness or negligence.

He's putting fear into QBs that play him, you know, just like alot of great defensive players have for I dunno, decades. Ya know, before they started trying to put kid gloves on linemen & throwing flags for breathing on a guy's knees.

Suh is an ideal defensive player. You don't just stop or disrupt a play, you make that bastard think twice on the next snap, next play, next game. When you have a player that the QB has to account for going forward, you've done your job.

 

[Hound55]

Seriously, I'm surprised I'm copping stick for this.

Pretty much every sport I'm a traditionalist who actually likes watching good defense (and have a reputation for chewing my Suns out for never doing it), but I draw attention to the fact that a guy who has a history of doing dirty s*** doing... well... dirty s*** and suddenly I'm a softc*** who has no appreciation for hard defense?

 

[BlackLantern]

yes....now go finish your knitting