2011 NFL Thread: The Lazarus Season - Part 2

[Matt]

Props to the Jets for beating Cowboys, and didn't lay an egg on the 10th anniversary of 9/11. But c'mon Sanchez, this is your third year as a starter; you are supposed to play much better and stop throwing those short yardages. You got Santanio Holmes; give him the long ball!

Sanchez isn't calling the plays.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The difference is, Favre could win big games. Romo can't. Favre could take a mediocre team and carry them. Romo can't. Romo is nothing like Favre. He is like Mark Brunell, Kerry Collins, Jon Kitna, and countless other mediocre NFL quarterbacks. He is good enough to justify starting and make the coach who cuts him without a guaranteed high quality successor look like a fool, but he will never be an elite quarterback, no matter how much the sports media wants him to be.

And yet, if he does ever win the Super Bowl, the local media in Dallas will compare him to a certain German born basketball player who recently won his first championship and who, prior to that championship, had his fair share of criticism like Romo.

 

[marvelman2006]

I like romo and certain players on that team as a whole but something feels very off about them as a unit. I dont know if its just the "feel" or whatever but they dont look and feel like a legit nfl football team. The play calling is definitely suspect from garrett especially in the red zone area. Why would you throw the ball within the 5 yard to the goal line instead of feeding the rock to your back. I really do think jerry jones needs to hand the gm duties off to a real gm and maybe just market the team and cut checks every sunday. But then again he is a control freak so. Im also glad the ravens never hired Garrett and instead Harbaugh.

 

[Ness]

What do you mean past, he made two boneheaded plays last night. He is making boneheaded plays in the present. And he hasn't led his team deep into the playoffs in all these years. At some point the Cowboys have to look for someone other than Romo. And of course, you would have to develop that guy but I mean, it's not like they haven't wasted 10+ years already on Romo, Quincy Carter etc.

Was that not the past? I typed that up after the game.

If Cowboys fans want to go back to the days of finding another good quarterback after Aikman, then sure. It will be a rough few years though most likely without any chance of getting to the playoffs. He's been the starter for six seasons. Peyton Manning usually got his team's blown out in the first round of the playoffs, or rather their first game of the playoffs until his six year in the league...and he didn't win a championship until his ninth year. Manning early on was accused of being a choke artist and making the wrong decisions at the right time in big games.

The difference is, Favre could win big games. Romo can't. Favre could take a mediocre team and carry them. Romo can't. Romo is nothing like Favre. He is like Mark Brunell, Kerry Collins, Jon Kitna, and countless other mediocre NFL quarterbacks. He is good enough to justify starting and make the coach who cuts him without a guaranteed high quality successor look like a fool, but he will never be an elite quarterback, no matter how much the sports media wants him to be.

Tony Romo is not like Kerry Collins or Jon Kitna. Let's get real here. Especially Collins who has never had the success as a passer that Romo has....even for all the mistakes that Romo makes. This last Sunday should have proved that more than anything else.

 

[Donut]

Here is a question. Has any team in the NFL actually completed the type of play the Cowboys tried to do last night when they just run down the field & throw the ball to whoever is open at the time ? I have seen plenty of teams try that play but to no success. In fact the only place where I have seen that play become a success is that old movie Little Giants

 

[Genesis 1.0]

So the Rams lose Amendola, Bradford, Jackson, & Smith to injury in ONE game?

Damn.

 

[Wheels]

So the Rams lose Amendola, Bradford, Jackson, & Smith to injury in ONE game?

Damn.

You've got to be kidding. Seriously?

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah, they all got injured during that game. Amendola's season is in question with an elbow injury, Bradford screwed his finger and now is experiencing possible nerve damage, Steven Jackson screwed his own leg without being touched, & Smith looks to have suffered a high ankle sprain.

Just....damn.

 

[Immortalfire]

Dadgum

 

[steintym]

Yeah, that was a rough game for the Rams.

 

[Wheels]

Talk about bad luck.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

So with Vick's performance yesterday, any bets on when he suffers his first injury?

 

[Kaleb]

Yeah, they all got injured during that game. Amendola's season is in question with an elbow injury, Bradford screwed his finger and now is experiencing possible nerve damage, Steven Jackson screwed his own leg without being touched, & Smith looks to have suffered a high ankle sprain.

Just....damn.

Just been reported that Jackson will probably only miss 1 game, while Sam is been monitored day to day.

 

[Erzengel]

Was that not the past? I typed that up after the game.

If Cowboys fans want to go back to the days of finding another good quarterback after Aikman, then sure. It will be a rough few years though most likely without any chance of getting to the playoffs. He's been the starter for six seasons. Peyton Manning usually got his team's blown out in the first round of the playoffs, or rather their first game of the playoffs until his six year in the league...and he didn't win a championship until his ninth year. Manning early on was accused of being a choke artist and making the wrong decisions at the right time in big games.

Tony Romo is not like Kerry Collins or Jon Kitna. Let's get real here. Especially Collins who has never had the success as a passer that Romo has....even for all the mistakes that Romo makes. This last Sunday should have proved that more than anything else.

If Tony Romo can't even be compared to Kerry Collins or Jon Kitna, then you can't compare him Manning, considering Manning's success as a passer far exceeds Romo's.

But, if you want to insist in comparing to Manning, then aside from his 2 MVP seasons in his first 9 years, then I guess I'll return to this thread after the Superbowl to see if we are talking about how it took 9 years for Romo to finally get to the Superbowl.

 

[Ness]

If Tony Romo can't even be compared to Kerry Collins or Jon Kitna, then you can't compare him Manning, considering Manning's success as a passer far exceeds Romo's.

But, if you want to insist in comparing to Manning, then aside from his 2 MVP seasons in his first 9 years, then I guess I'll return to this thread after the Superbowl to see if we are talking about how it took 9 years for Romo to finally get to the Superbowl.

But the gap between Manning and someone like Jon Kitna or Kerry Collins is vast. Tony Romo is better than the latter, but not the former. He's a good starter, not great in my opinion, but very good. Collins or Kitna are merely average. I was never comparing Romo to Manning in terms of ability, but they are both players that are franchise quarterbacks and it took one 9 years to win a championship and up until then was notorious for not coming up in the big games. Romo is at that same stage. He may never win a championship, but in my opinion, he does have the ability to win one. Collins or Kitna, no. And this is only Romo's sixth season as a starter by the way.

 

[Erzengel]

Yeah but he's been in the league for 9 years. 3 years in developing is more than we give newer QBs such as Flacco, Sanchez, Ryan, Stafford etc. who seem to be expected to succeed in their first years.

Regardless, I understand your point in comparing "not winning in the big game" but the fact of the matter is, while it took Manning 6 years to win a Playoff game and 9 years to win a Superbowl, it was easier to see that he was capable to win the big game over someone like Romo.

Romo's problem, aside from what we were speaking about, is the fact that he plays on the Dallas Cowboys. Put him on the Chiefs or Seahawks, I don't think a) he'd have as much pressure and b) people wouldn't have these high almost impossible expectations of him.

 

[enterthemadness]

Henne wants a job I see. What a play...

 

[BlackLantern]

Romo wants to be a golfer....dude has been all over The Golf Channel recently...he's probably walking away from the NFL in 2-3 years

 

[Rowsdower!]

Whoa, the Dolphins have a guy named Incognito on the team.

 

[Donut]

Whoa, the Dolphins have a guy named Incognito on the team.

& he loves Penalties

 

[Rowsdower!]

Damn it... as much as I hate the Patriots, I have to admit that almost every time I watch them, I think "Why the hell can't my team play like that?!"

 

[Ness]

Yeah but he's been in the league for 9 years. 3 years in developing is more than we give newer QBs such as Flacco, Sanchez, Ryan, Stafford etc. who seem to be expected to succeed in their first years.

Regardless, I understand your point in comparing "not winning in the big game" but the fact of the matter is, while it took Manning 6 years to win a Playoff game and 9 years to win a Superbowl, it was easier to see that he was capable to win the big game over someone like Romo.

Romo's problem, aside from what we were speaking about, is the fact that he plays on the Dallas Cowboys. Put him on the Chiefs or Seahawks, I don't think a) he'd have as much pressure and b) people wouldn't have these high almost impossible expectations of him.

Well he was an undrafted free agent. He wasn't a first round pick like Flacco, Ryan, or Manning. He came from a D-II school. So he didn't have the leverage of an organization being obligated to start him. He had to work a lot harder to move up the ranks. And seeing how bad Bledsoe was, I'm sure Parcells would have started Romo a lot earlier if it wasn't for Bledsoe's reputation and Romo probably not getting that many reps leading up to the 2006 season. Part of the issue with Romo is being on the Dallas Cowboys unfortunately, like you said.

As for Manning, he had the hard label of being a choke artist before that Super Bowl victory. Hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to say he can win the big game because he's already done it.

 

[steintym]

Damn it... as much as I hate the Patriots, I have to admit that almost every time I watch them, I think "Why the hell can't my team play like that?!"

They annoy me ... because they are just that damn good. They really have an efficient program. Pretty impressive.

 

[Rowsdower!]

They annoy me ... because they are just that damn good. They really have an efficient program. Pretty impressive.

Yeah... I used to think it was just because of Brady, but really, it's the whole system. I mean, they made a star out of Danny Woodhead. He's not a bad player, but I guarantee he wouldn't be half as successful as he is on another team. If he had the Steelers' sh**house O-Line blocking for him, he'd probably finish every game with 10 yards, max.

 

[BlackLantern]

Darth Hoodie is a genius....its all in the system