2013/2014 NFL Thread: The place to get Hernandez'd

[Matt]

Articles like this one are why I hate the sports media. Jeez, guys like Newton, Kaepernick and Wilson have had one good season (Kaepernick, not even a full one). Why not wait a year, give defensive coordinators some time to study them, plan for them, etc before declaring them to be the new batch of MVP candidates? Remember about 5 years ago when Chad Pennington was the new Kurt Warner and the Wildcat was going to change the NFL and lead the Miami Dolphins to a dynasty that unseats the Patriots as kings of the AFC and brings home countless rings? How did that work out?

Frankly, I'm just not sold on rushing quarterbacks transforming the NFL into a more college-like league yet. I want to give DCs a couple years to figure these guys out before I sign off on that. I personally think the injury potential and speed of NFL defenders just gives the model too much downside and once NFL DCs adapt to it, teams like Carolina, Seattle, San Fran and Washington are going to learn that the hard way (Washington already has, which is why RG3 said yesterday that he is looking to transform his play into a more traditional quarterback style).

 

[Erzengel]

It's inevitable that Kaepernick, Wilson and Newton will take a sizable hit. It may be this year, next year, etc. It's already happened to RG3.

 

[Immortalfire]

Next Super Bowl, don't have a celebrity "sing" the national anthem. Just play this clip on the jumbotron.

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[DoomsdayApex]

What are you talking about, Matt? DCs have 'figured' out The Pistol and Read Option. Defenses have just fell short of executing the plan (with the exception of Tampa, Baltimore, Carolina, New York, Denver, etc). Like or not Matt, the scrambling QB is here to stay (been around since Warren Moon and Steve Young), especially this new batch. Out of the four, only Kaepernick and RG3 worry me, but Wilson and Newton thrived in traditional formations last year.

 

[Matt]

You're wrong. For many, many reasons. But I don't feel like arguing with you, so I will simply say, ask all the people who were claiming that the Wildcat would change the game in 2007 how that worked out.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

It's inevitable that Kaepernick, Wilson and Newton will take a sizable hit. It may be this year, next year, etc. It's already happened to RG3.

Wilson seems to be the least likely to take that hit in that he's been smart enough to get out of bounds. He'll get a nasty hit eventually, though.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

You're wrong. For many, many reasons. But I don't feel like arguing with you, so I will simply say, ask all the people who were claiming that the Wildcat would change the game in 2007 how that worked out.

Umm, no. You just hate being wrong. The Read Option and Pistol aren't cryptic offenses. A disciplined and/or athletic defense can limit these systems. Fans saw it transpire all last year. While I do view the Read/Pistol as somewhat of a gimmick, QBs like Wilson, Newton, RG3 and Kaepernick won't be dependent on the system forever. Cam and Russell are ready to move on, and RG3 doesn't have a choice after another torn ACL. Kaepernick is unknown because his mechanics are still alittle off but who knows how much he'll improve this off-season.

 

[Matt]

It's not just about stopping the scrambling. It is about what the system produces...injuries to the most valuable player on the team. Who'd you cite? Warren Moon? He was injured his fair share of times. So was Donovan Mcnabb, Michael Vick, Ben Roethlisberher and just about any other scrambling qb. And the team falls apart without the QB and even once he is back, he isn't the same. That is what the pistol produces. Factor in defensive adaptation, and it just doesn't have long term viability.

 

[zeroapoc]

Ironically Steve Young had his career ended on a regular drop back pass.

 

[Matt]

That's what happens when you keep taking hits from scrambling, eventually the body wears down.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

It's not just about stopping the scrambling. It is about what the system produces...injuries to the most valuable player on the team. Who'd you cite? Warren Moon? He was injured his fair share of times. So was Donovan Mcnabb, Michael Vick, Ben Roethlisberher and just about any other scrambling qb. And the team falls apart without the QB and even once he is back, he isn't the same. That is what the pistol produces. Factor in defensive adaptation, and it just doesn't have long term viability.

Rolling your eyes doesn't solidify your case. Are injuries a risk? Yep. It comes with the territory, but I'm having trouble comprehending your argument since scrambling QBs have been around for decades. They're not a fad. Big Ben, for instance, is withering away but he won two superbowls and Moon is a HOF'er despite suffering numerous injuries.

 

[Warhammer]

It's inevitable that Kaepernick, Wilson and Newton will take a sizable hit. It may be this year, next year, etc. It's already happened to RG3.

See, the thing about Newton in particular is that he is a huge motherf***er. The man can eat hits. He has about the same risk of being injured as any traditional QB who never runs purely by his size.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

9ers hire Eric Mangini as an offensive consultant.

 

[Hush]

Good for them?

 

[zeroapoc]

9ers hire Eric Mangini as an offensive consultant.

What the heck is that?

 

[Poetic Chaos]

To find holes in opposing defenses is what I read described.

 

[Matt]

Why on Earth would they hire Eric Mangini, a coach whose entire background is in defensive coaching as an offensive consultant?

 

[Darthphere]

"With a defensive expertise and experience as an assistant on that side of the ball, Mangini might help game plan for opposing defenses in the new role."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...e-eric-mangini-as-offensive-consultant-060113

 

[Immortalfire]

What the hell is an offensive consultant, anyway? Sounds like that made up job Jim Tressel had with the Colts.

 

[Matt]

"With a defensive expertise and experience as an assistant on that side of the ball, Mangini might help game plan for opposing defenses in the new role."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...e-eric-mangini-as-offensive-consultant-060113

I see....still seems a bit pointless to me.

 

[runawayboulder]

Mangini obviously has buddies in San Fran that are trying to help him get back into the coaching scene. It's not often guys like him get more than 2 chances in the NFL at head coaching. His friends are looking out for him trying to help him towards that 3rd shot.

 

[Lantern Venom]

That's what happens when you keep taking hits from scrambling, eventually the body wears down.

That's a leap in Young's case. He was 38, and got absolutely leveled because Lawrence Phillips missed his block. Scrambler or pocket QB, if your brain gets rattled hard enough, especially in the late 30s, your career can be over.

 

[zeroapoc]

Lawrence Phillips couldn't hit the defensive player because it wasn't a woman.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

For the most part, Kaep is smart about sliding. He took a few more risks in the playoffs but he's been pretty smart not taking shots. Also, he completely capable of winning a game entirely with his arm as the Falcons game showed.

 

[Warhammer]

Honestly, Kaepernick can only get better as he is seemingly good at playing as a pocket QB. The sky is the limit for him. I doubt he'll be better than Luck or RG3 in the pocket, but I'm hoping for the best for him.