2013: The Re-Up (box office predictions)

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Let's not kid ourselves into thinking a cartoon and comic book about alien machines alive in every redeeming sense who fight a civil war against military tyranny is just as basic as Pokemon, Power Rangers, Thomas the Tank Engine or Scooby Doo.
Not sure why we are comparing them to Thomas the train and scooby doo but sure, 8 year olds watched and learned about the same positive themes from the teenage power rangers fighting evil monsters and teen social problems with their giant robots as they did in the equally silly power rangers.
18 plus adults weren't the ones giving that franchise it's success. Simple point.

James Bond and POTC are different genres.

GI Joe, Transformers and Go Bots are all 80's "toy commercials".
Weren't you talking about the cinematic potential of base concepts? You said
The GI Joe concept simply doesn't offer the same big screen spectacle as giant warrior machines.
, excuse me for not knowing you meant within some base parameters....So the success of Pirates should be determined by the parameters of other "Theme Park Rides" like drop zone or that ilk. Bond isn't a spy movie but rather the genre called "book adaptation." And thus it's success is defined by book adaptation and not fun spy thriller actioner.

"80 Toy commercial" is just as much a "genre" as comic books. Which is, that it's not. If anything it's even lesser so cause most comic books have people in costumes, Saturday morning cartoons(toy commercials in that era) can range from Xmen to Carmin Sandiago, I doubt even you would consider those two the same "genre". You see where I'm going with this I hope. HellBlazer/P-rim/Ironman all have their own genre when it comes to cinema, comic books or not.


Why didn't Pain and Gain or The Island make a billion?

Bay directed them. Did he not?

Maybe GI Joe would've been more successful under Bay but it's no guarantee.
Not sure what's the bar for success for R rated black dramas with no budget. As for the island, I suppose you have a point there. Perhaps if they called that film "Transformers" it would have raked in the dough.
I'd love to see that happen cause I'm certain there would be a disconnect with the general public. Even before Bayformers, Optimus Prime was a household name. Hardly anyone can name a single character from Go Bots.
You don't need a name character(s) to guarantee a hit. Take a look over at our world wide box office. Specifically the first two. There's obviously more to it than that.

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As you can see your defense of Bayformers could be used to defend Joel Schumacher's tacky Batman movies.

Which fits because they both cheat the audience.
Cheat the audience? The second movie was a rush job no doubt but ask the 8 year old with a BTAS toy in his hand sitting in the first row watching the first two acts of nolans last batfilm who feels "cheated". The thing there however is, that 8 year old kid isn't the singular reason the Bat franchise has mass relevance. Bat's equally owes his success to many different levels of interpretation. The batman comics of today are pretty mature top sellers in their industry and they make their time warners alot of money. The TF comics of today are pretty mature and they make Hasbro alo.......:whatever:

And yes, I'm sorry, I'm not sure what else I would call the Schumacher bat films. Certainly not the Adventures of Thomas the wordsmith. I saw alot of batman and stuff in there. If I had to I would probably call it, what ever the Adam West Batman show was called.
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I assume there are better places to discuss this topic, no need to hijack this thread(that I started :yay:). See you next year in the TF thread where we can dance this same dance we've been dancing for a while now.
 
Have the Croods really had any competition?

I mean not to knock it because it's clearly doing well, but what other animated films have been released this year? But with numbers like that I bet Despicable Me 2 will be even bigger

Despicable Me 2 might end up being one of the biggest movies of the year. Boxoffice.com are predicting over $350 million for it domestically. If (a big "if" perhaps) it can do that, then a billion worldwide might be possible.
 
Not sure why we are comparing them to Thomas the train and scooby doo but sure, 8 year olds watched and learned about the same positive themes from the teenage power rangers fighting evil monsters and teen social problems with their giant robots as they did in the equally silly power rangers.
18 plus adults weren't the ones giving that franchise it's success. Simple point.


Weren't you talking about the cinematic potential of base concepts? You said
, excuse me for not knowing you meant within some base parameters....So the success of Pirates should be determined by the parameters of other "Theme Park Rides" like drop zone or that ilk. Bond isn't a spy movie but rather the genre called "book adaptation." And thus it's success is defined by book adaptation and not fun spy thriller actioner.

"80 Toy commercial" is just as much a "genre" as comic books. Which is, that it's not. If anything it's even lesser so cause most comic books have people in costumes, Saturday morning cartoons(toy commercials in that era) can range from Xmen to Carmin Sandiago, I doubt even you would consider those two the same "genre". You see where I'm going with this I hope. HellBlazer/P-rim/Ironman all have their own genre when it comes to cinema, comic books or not.



Not sure what's the bar for success for R rated black dramas with no budget. As for the island, I suppose you have a point there. Perhaps if they called that film "Transformers" it would have raked in the dough.

You don't need a name character(s) to guarantee a hit. Take a look over at our world wide box office. Specifically the first two. There's obviously more to it than that.


Cheat the audience? The second movie was a rush job no doubt but ask the 8 year old with a BTAS toy in his hand sitting in the first row watching the first two acts of nolans last batfilm who feels "cheated". The thing there however is, that 8 year old kid isn't the singular reason the Bat franchise has mass relevance. Bat's equally owes his success to many different levels of interpretation. The batman comics of today are pretty mature top sellers in their industry and they make their time warners alot of money. The TF comics of today are pretty mature and they make Hasbro alo.......:whatever:

And yes, I'm sorry, I'm not sure what else I would call the Schumacher bat films. Certainly not the Adventures of Thomas the wordsmith. I saw alot of batman and stuff in there. If I had to I would probably call it, what ever the Adam West Batman show was called.
:cwink:

I assume there are better places to discuss this topic, no need to hijack this thread(that I started :yay:). See you next year in the TF thread where we can dance this same dance we've been dancing for a while now.



Judging the storytelling potential for Transformers strictly on a kid's cartoon while ignoring hundreds of comics is like judging Batman's potential (pre-Burton) strictly on Super Friends.

Anyway we can continue this on another thread like you said.
 
Judging the storytelling potential for Transformers strictly on a kid's cartoon while ignoring hundreds of comics is like judging Batman's potential (pre-Burton) strictly on Super Friends.

Anyway we can continue this on another thread like you said.

Never knew the majority of batman's success came from Super friends. Just saying. You love claiming that Optimus is a house hold name...I'm sure that's cause everyone and their mother picked up these great comic books.
The batman comparison falls apart here cause his mature books have defined as much of his main stream success as his more colourful interpretations.

Anyways, I anticipated the hype for MoS to be much higher at this point. It's def not in the Avengers or TDKR range of hype.
 
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Anyways, I anticipated the hype for MoS to be much higher at this point. It's def not in the Avengers or TDKR range of hype.

Why would it be? MOS is not a team up of popular superheroes nor is it the sequel to one of the most popular movies ever made.
 
and the MoS hype is still pretty high. its the summer movie I hear everyone talking about (well after Fast 6, Iron Man 3 and Despicable Me 2)
 
Why would it be? MOS is not a team up of popular superheroes nor is it the sequel to one of the most popular movies ever made.

I'm just using those as a bar for really really high. I didn't expect that however, perhaps Spiderman one...Though you need a hit song on radio for that:yay:

Something seems off here. There definitely is a surge though.
 
I didn't expect that however, perhaps Spiderman one...
Which Spider-man? If you mean the original Raimi-man then you are still shooting way too high. Spider-man had humongous hype for being the first ever live action film for one of the most popular heroes ever. MOS doesn't have that kind of luxury. If you mean Webb-man, then I would say Spider-man even at his lowered popularity still outsells Supes overseas.
 
Which Spider-man? If you mean the original Raimi-man then you are still shooting way too high. Spider-man had humongous hype for being the first ever live action film for one of the most popular heroes ever. MOS doesn't have that kind of luxury. If you mean Webb-man, then I would say Spider-man even at his lowered popularity still outsells Supes overseas.

Wether a good great modern spiderman outsells a great superman over seas is up for debate. Quite frankly we just haven't seen the latter scenario in action. Moreover Inception(of all film) made a really really immense amount overseas and most of this speaks to the staying power of Nolan post Ledger.

But that's besides the point. I was talking about Raimi one's antip and buzz. I can't shake the feeling that a different marketing approach(right down to a hit song on radio) would have had this films buzz in that 2002 range.

Of course these is the little issue of the damage Singer and co have done to the brand. But that aside. WB's one big play should have been selling this as the "what happens next" in the DCU ala Ironman3. Seems like a no brainer.
 
I'm really wondering about how THIS IS THE END is going to do. While many people seem like they want to see it, I just don't see it gaining that much ground at all in it's opening weekend because the hype around MAN OF STEEL seems to be overshadowing it.

I'm not saying I think THIS IS THE END is going to bomb or flop, but I do think the studios are kicking themselves in the foot for releasing it on the same weekend as MAN OF STEEL now. And that it will most likely perform almost like a sleeper hit over the summer rather than getting it's money in opening weekend it's looking at getting that money over the weeks to come in a steady fashion.

I'm just really interested in seeing what's going to happen next week.
 
Well these days I don't think it does exist that much. I'm in small town suburbia where MOS will have 3 screens in one theater and about a showtime every 20 minutes. so while it's there, don't think movies can make as much money just off of that. Also largely same demographic.
 
Doesn't that joss whedon movie open with MoS as well?
 
It looks like almost no one saw The Internship
 
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If only people could simply accept or rather admit the same about bay movies. There would be alot less rants on the internet.

Difference being there's heart with the Fast franchise. Bay's movies have zero heart.
 
Difference being there's heart with the Fast franchise. Bay's movies have zero heart.

Sure thing.

Luckily this isn't a science and everyone's entitled to their opinion. Then again, there are numbers.
 
Sure thing.

Luckily this isn't a science and everyone's entitled to their opinion. Then again, there are numbers.

Just because McDonalds makes a billion dollars a year doesn't make it good food.
 
Just had an epiphany. MOS is going to open huge.
143 is my OW number.
 
Just because McDonalds makes a billion dollars a year doesn't make it good food.

No, that makes it bad food.
How's about you take a second to compare what that makes McDonalds in relation to it's numerous competition of the same nature.
 
Is that the one from the autotune youtube viral?
Never seen one here in Canada.
 
Difference being there's heart with the Fast franchise. Bay's movies have zero heart.

You don't get it, man.

Bay has to add adult potty humor, adult sexuality and adult violence in the Transformer films but he can't add adult depth or adult sci-fi.

It's not some completely hypocritical approach to something supposedly intended only child consumers.

Oh...wait.
 
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