2016/2017 NFL thread: The Final Countdown

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Again, GB taking forever to pass, Rodgers runs to no gain in one play, pass to nowhere and gets a penalty in the next :cmad:

threw that ball like he spent a day on a boat in Miami

suck it AA Ron

Lets Go Giants
 
TD Packers, after Rodgers waited forever to pass, again almost got sacked... Packers leading 7-6
 
I wonder why guys like McDaniel's are getting 2nd chances at HC, and others like Steve Spagnuolo have not.


McDaniels only had a season and a half in Denver before he was fired mid-season for a videotaping scandal. I think he went to head coaching WAY too soon and it resulted in a huge mess for the Broncos, which included drafting Tim Tebow. I think McDaniels still being young and on a very well run franchise has his name at the top of people's list.


Spagnuolo took over a 2-14 team, went 1-15, to 7-9 and then back to 2-14. I think it leaves a bit of a sour taste in teams mouth seeing those two horrible seasons.
 
I wonder why guys like McDaniel's are getting 2nd chances at HC, and others like Steve Spagnuolo have not.

Probably a lot goes into it, like how the person worked with their front office (NFL is a small circle, people talk), how much potential they have shown since losing their HC gig (McDaniels is one of the top coordinators in the league), and I am sure other intangible factors. For example, McDaniels was young and immature when he took over the Broncos. Many felt it was just too soon. Since then, nearly everyone whose worked with him has said how much he has matured and developed. There is no questioning that he is a top offensive mind. Its worth rolling the dice to see if maturity has transformed that offensive guru into head coaching material or if he is destined to be a Dom Capers/Dick LeBeau figure (great coordinator but simply not suited to be an HC). Plus the Belichick factor has to be intriguing to GMs. McDaniels is viewed by many as Belichick's most devoted student, whom Belichick has given the most time to mentoring. That alone almost makes it worth a second shot. Who wouldn't want to take a chance on the protege of the best coach in the game's history? And not for nothing, but wasn't McDaniels ultimately validated in the Cutler trade when Cutler turned out to be a whiny diva in Chicago too?

Also, while perhaps unfair, Spagnulo is old. He is 57. Bruce Arians took over The Cards at age 60 and is already talking retirement next season. Gary Kubiak is 55 and retired due to health concerns caused by the stress of coaching. Being an NFL head coach is a tough job that drains a lot of people. During the regular season, you are working 16-18 hour days in a high pressure, high stress environment. Very few fall into the category of Belichick and Coughlin where they can keep doing this in perpetuity forever. That takes a special kind of guy. So maybe GMs just don't want to roll the dice on someone who will only last 4 or 5 years, even if things go good. Flip side of that, maybe Spags doesn't want the kind of stress that comes with being an HC. He has the next best thing (a coordinator position) with none of the headaches and blame that comes with being top dog.

Finally, McDaniels did pretty bad in Denver, but he went 8-8 with Kyle Orton under center. That's not too shabby. What he never did was have a team that went 1-15 or 2-14. Spags had a season of each. Just one of those would be enough to kill most coaches careers. 2? Forget it.
 
McDaniels only had a season and a half in Denver before he was fired mid-season for a videotaping scandal. I think he went to head coaching WAY too soon and it resulted in a huge mess for the Broncos, which included drafting Tim Tebow. I think McDaniels still being young and on a very well run franchise has his name at the top of people's list.


Spagnuolo took over a 2-14 team, went 1-15, to 7-9 and then back to 2-14. I think it leaves a bit of a sour taste in teams mouth seeing those two horrible seasons.

Probably a lot goes into it, like how the person worked with their front office (NFL is a small circle, people talk), how much potential they have shown since losing their HC gig (McDaniels is one of the top coordinators in the league), and I am sure other intangible factors. For example, McDaniels was young and immature when he took over the Broncos. Many felt it was just too soon. Since then, nearly everyone whose worked with him has said how much he has matured and developed. There is no questioning that he is a top offensive mind. Its worth rolling the dice to see if maturity has transformed that offensive guru into head coaching material or if he is destined to be a Dom Capers/Dick LeBeau figure (great coordinator but simply not suited to be an HC). Plus the Belichick factor has to be intriguing to GMs. McDaniels is viewed by many as Belichick's most devoted student, whom Belichick has given the most time to mentoring. That alone almost makes it worth a second shot. Who wouldn't want to take a chance on the protege of the best coach in the game's history? And not for nothing, but wasn't McDaniels ultimately validated in the Cutler trade when Cutler turned out to be a whiny diva in Chicago too?

Also, while perhaps unfair, Spagnulo is old. He is 57. Bruce Arians took over The Cards at age 60 and is already talking retirement next season. Gary Kubiak is 55 and retired due to health concerns caused by the stress of coaching. Being an NFL head coach is a tough job that drains a lot of people. During the regular season, you are working 16-18 hour days in a high pressure, high stress environment. Very few fall into the category of Belichick and Coughlin where they can keep doing this in perpetuity forever. That takes a special kind of guy. So maybe GMs just don't want to roll the dice on someone who will only last 4 or 5 years, even if things go good. Flip side of that, maybe Spags doesn't want the kind of stress that comes with being an HC. He has the next best thing (a coordinator position) with none of the headaches and blame that comes with being top dog.

Finally, McDaniels did pretty bad in Denver, but he went 8-8 with Kyle Orton under center. That's not too shabby. What he never did was have a team that went 1-15 or 2-14. Spags had a season of each. Just one of those would be enough to kill most coaches careers. 2? Forget it.

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Rodgers is so dreamy.
 
Amazing TD with no time left in the clock... The Giants are losing big now, after dominating almost all first half. 14-6
 
What is that, like 3 to 5 successful Hail Mary's dating back to last season? Amazing.
 
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It is not an accident with Rodgers. He is just that good.
 
I avoid them whenever possible, but I must say, Fox's studio team is awful. All are legends but they are all too old and have been out of the game for too long. I want some people with more recent and relevant experience. The game has evolved so much in the past 10-15 years. And unlike someone such as Boomr Esiason, who has actually worked to be a credible sports journalist who can get scoops and stay up on the evolving game, these guys have taken no such steps. It is just a bunch of old men rambling. And all try way too hard to be zany. Fox needs to upgrade.
 
Would have been disastrous for the Giants to have given up a score there.
 
I avoid them whenever possible, but I must say, Fox's studio team is awful. All are legends but they are all too old and have been out of the game for too long. I want some people with more recent and relevant experience. The game has evolved so much in the past 10-15 years. And unlike someone such as Boomr Esiason, who has actually worked to be a credible sports journalist who can get scoops and stay up on the evolving game, these guys have taken no such steps. It is just a bunch of old men rambling. And all try way too hard to be zany. Fox needs to upgrade.

It's why I watch CBS. They upgraded big time when they got rid of Shannon Sharpe and replaced him with the more articulate Bart Scott.
 
I avoid them whenever possible, but I must say, Fox's studio team is awful. All are legends but they are all too old and have been out of the game for too long. I want some people with more recent and relevant experience. The game has evolved so much in the past 10-15 years. And unlike someone such as Boomr Esiason, who has actually worked to be a credible sports journalist who can get scoops and stay up on the evolving game, these guys have taken no such steps. It is just a bunch of old men rambling. And all try way too hard to be zany. Fox needs to upgrade.

They are more 'personalities' than experts. Michael Straham is an A-Lister from his transition into morning talk shows with a freaking former soap *****y opera star.

But I see your point.
 
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They are more 'personalities' than experts. Michael Straham is an A-Lister from his transition into morning talk shows with a freaking former soap *****y opera star.

But I see your point.

Yeah, the two shows are definitely different in terms of tone. CBS is more like a Meet the Press of football. Its meant to give news and analysis. Meanwhile, as you said, Fox focuses more on personality. It is the Today Show of sports filled with puff pieces and antics rather than true analysis. I suppose I just prefer the former.

I will say this, both are better than NBC, which is so boring. Tony Dungy is so painfully dull and is so afraid to say anything that may upset anyone. Meanwhile, Harrison just kinda puppets Dungy, like he is desperate for his approval or something. It turns into segments like:

Dan Patrick: "I can't believe Mike Zimmer decided to throw the ball on 4th and 10, in the second quarter, with the ball on the Minnesota 30. What do you think of that questionable decision coach?"

Tony Dungy: "Well Dan, Mike Zimmer is a very nice man and I respect his abilities as a coach. But regardless of his decision, in football you have to get to the first down marker to get a first down."

Rodney Harrison: HAHAHAHA! THAT'S SO TRUE COACH!

Plus they completely waste Dan Patrick and limit him to mediating the discussion. Patrick is one of the best commentators in sports. He should be more active in the conversation but NBC keeps him on a leash. It all adds up to a terrible show.
 
TD Giants! (after a sweet turnover on downs :D )

Packers 14-13
 
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