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I just saw Superman Returns, and let me tell you that, it SUCKS!!





:p



Ok, no it didn´t.
Now, that i got that out of my system, Superman Returns was everything i was expecting it to be.
Was it a good movie? Yes!
Was it an interesting take on the Man of Steel mythos? Yes!
Was it a good Superman movie? No!
It´s an amazing sequel to the Donner movie, it´s the best comic book movie so far, when it comes to having unanswered questions for a sequel (how is he going to handle being a father, how is the kid going to handle being Superman´s son, how is Superman and Lois relation be after this, how is it going to be Luthor´s return, after nearly killing the Man of Steel,...), but, the problem is, it´s an Elseworld kind of movie, it´s not a good and faithful adaptation.
Superman Returns was not the movie Superman needed or deserved, Superman Returns was not the movie we deserved after 20 years waiting, someone has to shout in Singer´s ear to let the Donner´s movie die in piece, and someone has to teach Singer that Superman is not an idea, but a person, with a history and a life, that can´t just be scrapted, for him to make whatever he pleases (and i´m not talking about giving him a son), even if it is a "love letter" to Donner´s Superman and Superman is not, never was, and never will be, Christ in a cape, so, stop trying to make it so.
Since day one i´ve been saying this, anyone that have read my posts knows that, it will be a great movie, but a lousy adaptation....so, who was right from the start? :D
But, let´s get to the movie itself...

So, where to begin?
First of all, i have to take my hat off to Singer, for at least, he tried to make something diferent.
And that is, IMO, what saved the movie from being a piece of crap, because he tried to make a serious movie, to make it a romance, not falling into the irrelevant action sequences.
The thing is, like i stated above, and been saying it since ever, is that he made a continuation of something extremely outdated.
By making it a "vague sequel", he totally alienated the average joe, that never saw the Donner´s movie or saw it once or twice, and made a movie solely for fans, that´s why the movie failed at the box office.
When i watch a comic book movie, i can easily and utterly forget what i know, and watch the movie expecting to learn about the characters, the movie failed there too.
The movie is not interesting to watch to a non-fan, because everything that happens, every bit of drama, almost every bit of dialogue, is about something that happend more than 25 years ago, things that you didn´t saw happening, and you don´t care anymore, you can´t feel it.
For drama to be effective, you need background, information, you need a start, a base for it to grow on, you don´t have that in Superman Returns, which makes the movie empty and sterile, so, you just take things for granted.
It just seems exactly what it is, that there is a trilogy, and you missed the first movie....
Superman and Lois are in love. Have in seen that love blossom? No. Have you understood whay the love each other? No. You just go with it.
Luthor hates Superman. Have you seen why? No. Have you seen how it all started? No. You just go with it.
The movie that just proved what i was saying since day one, that it was a ridiculous move to revive a dead franchise.
Now, let´s jump to the characters...

Clark Kent/Superman
It´s not that Routh makes a bad job at it, he just tries to hard to make a "Reeve´s playing Clark Kent and Superman", and not be himself.
There are parts where you close your eyes, and you think that Reeve is there; but there are others where Routh just let´s it go, and those are the better ones, when he does his own thing.
He looks the part, that´s another thing going for him.
Clark Kent is a totally forgettable character in this movie, he doesn´t do anything particulary memorable, he is totally put aside, which is a shame, because Clark is a crucial part of Superman.
One thing i was happy about, lost is the all "moronic" Clark Kent of Reeve, but, at the same time, the screen time of Clark is so small that we don´t really a notion of how moronic free he is.
All in all, Clark Kent isn´t still perfect, and far from it, which makes me think that people still don´t understand Clark.
Superman....i watched the movie twice already, and the first time, he just came across as unsympathetic, almost robotic like; the second time, he seemed much better, but even so, there is something missing, something i can´t place my finger on, but it´s there.
I never got the notion that he was in love with Lois, but rather it was all an ego thing.
He loved Lois once, not anymore, because he never says anything to Lois that makes you think otherwise, the only thing he does is taking her flying, which just comes off as arrogant, like he will win her heart again if she flies with him.
Once again, we return to what i was talking about back there, that the movie plays with what we know of the characters, rather than show us.
Superman is not Christ in a fricking cape!!
"You wrote that the world doesn't need a saviour, but every day I hear people crying for one."
WTF is that??
Superman is not a saviour, he is not here to save us from our sins.
After Lois removed the Kryptonite shard from his back (and don´t make me talk about the shard that was removed in the hospital, which would have killed Superman a long time ago), Superman went to the heavens to get bathed by sunlight. When he returns, the heavens open up and light comes out....
WTF is that??
When he falls from the space, after throwing New Krypton, he falls with his arms open wide and his legs together, exactly like Christ in the cross...
WTF??
The Jor-El monologues.....
WTF? So, Jor-El is God to Superman´s Christ?
And don´t tell me that those monologues are from the first, because that´s the main problem.
And it goes on and on....

Lois Lane
Does Bosworth makes a good job?
Yes, absolutely!
Is she good for the part?
No, she is better suited for Gwen Stacy.
Lois Lane biggest flaw, IMO, is that she doesn´t give a rat´s ass to Clark Kent, he is totally invisible to her.
The last time i checked, they were friends...
Second flaw, she never shows any affection to Richard White.
Sure, she is in love in Superman, but, god damn it, he lives with her for the last 5 years, there has to be more than just friendship.
Once again, the movie plays with what he know, not what we see.

Richard White
IMO, the best character in all the movie, better even than Kal-El.
caring, sympathetic, someone you can care about. He is more interesting that Superman, because, at least, he is more than 2 dimensional, more than "i save the world and love Lois".
Amazing job by Mardsen, his best role to date...

Jimmy Olsen and Perry White
Perry doesn´t do anything.
Huntington goes a good job, but he is totally irrelevant for the movie.

Jason White
I didn´t liked the idea of the kid, specialy being Superman´s kid, but, because i didn´t liked Singer´s vision, the kid was the least of my problems.
Now, after seeing the movie i can say that, Jason is one of the best things about the movie.
I still don´t like Singer´s vision, but, having that, i liked the kid.

Lex Luthor
And here comes, once again, the weakest part of Superman Return, of any Superman movie...Luthor.
Smallville can have all the problems in the world, but one thing it has in it´s favor, is the best Lex Luthor since the comics (i can´t talk about TAS).
Once again Luthor is nothing more than a 2nd rate criminal to whom was given the most powerful key in the world.
A wonderful actor like Kevin Spacey deserved a lot more than that.
All he does his plan the most moronic and extravagant plan i ever heard, to build a continent to sell land.
And the first time i comes face to face with the Man of Steel, he almost kills him, in the best scene in all the movie, but, at the same time, weird as hell, because it comes out of nowhere, all that hate is totally weird because we don´t have nothing to back it up.
Once again, the movie plays with what we know, rather than what we see.

Kitty Kowalski
I liked Kitty!
She is not a great character, because she doesn´t do anything, except driving without brakes, but she is not 2 dimensional, the moment she shows that she is not at ease with Luthor´s plan on "killing billions", and she cries when Luthor almost kills Superman.
And, yeah, she is funny, expecially when Luthor asks her what his father as said to him.


All in all, it´s a very good movie, but a lousy Superman movie, at least, not one that the character deserved.
And then, you have a lot of flaws, like Luthor stealing the Krytonite, and no security guard stoping him; having Luthor stealing the crystals with the most extreme ease i´ve ever seen...
Out of 10, i give it 7

Oh, by the way, C. Lee, if you want, feel free to merge this to the review thread, but, because that´s two month old, i see no point.
 
I like only the kid. The rest is just there... blah...blah rehash rehash.

Dude...You should have jumped on the kid bandwagon with me from the start.
 
I don't really agree that this wasnt a Superman movie. Many Superman comics have departed more than this movie, and this stayed true to the core of the characters, imo. Sure, it was a slightly different take than you probably wanted, but it worked (for me, at least).
 
Its nice you are sharing your review and you are excited, but if you would look up to the top of the threads, there is a review thread.
 
but the movie made superman look like an idiot.
 
but he left his girl for half a decade based on a tabloid rumor and happily walked straight into his nemesis's trap.
 
Wesyeed said:
but he left his girl for half a decade based on a tabloid rumor and happily walked straight into his nemesis's trap.

Kind of like when Superman reveals that he can't see through lead in STM and then falls for Luthor's antics in his lair?

Neither plot is iron clad, so goes the comic book movie.
 
Showtime029 said:
Kind of like when Superman reveals that he can't see through lead in STM and then falls for Luthor's antics in his lair?

Neither plot is iron clad, so goes the comic book movie.

But these are not the same. he told the truth. so what. I don't understand what you mean by 'falls for his antics.' He thought the led box contained a deactivation doohickey. But of course it wasn't; and the first time he's ever seen kryptonite was when he opened the box. He should be wiser about luthor's little tactics by now.

I honestly don't think Comicbook movies are supposed to make the lead hero look stupid.

Superman really seemed out of it in this. He forgets led blocks kryptonite. He spies on Lois. breaks planes apart. Plays around with some dumbass with a gun, Tells lois he's always around... he's being a superdickerishly stupid here. I believe only Jason will help his father be a smarter hero.
 
Wesyeed said:
But he told the truth. so what. I don't understand what you mean by 'falls for his antics.' He thought the led box contained a deactivation doohickey. But of course it wasn't; and the first time he's ever seen kryptonite was when he opened the box. He should be wiser about luthor's little tactics by now.

I honestly don't think Comicbook movies are supposed to make the lead hero look stupid.

Superman really seemed out of it in this. He forgets led blocks kryptonite. He spies on Lois. breaks planes apart. Plays around with some dumbass with a gun, Tells lois he's always around... he's a beeing a little stupid here. I believe only Jason will help his father be a smarter hero.

There were a large number of flaws. In both movies IMO, not trying to justify the flaws in Returns by pointing out other movies. They were different flaws.
 
Showtime029 said:
There were a large number of flaws. In both movies IMO, not trying to justify the flaws in Returns by pointing out other movies. They were different flaws.

Of course two wrongs don't make a right and all that, but I do not understand why you want to do that.
 
Wesyeed said:
Of course two wrongs don't make a right and all that, but I do not understand why you want to do that.

I feel like you're posting to me in riddle form. :wow:

Are these new smilies?
 
Showtime029 said:
I feel like you're posting to me in riddle form. :wow:

ah ha, well then riddle me this...

If you can insert into an outlet, can we also outsert out of an inlet?:confused:

I've been mulling over that one for weeks.
 
I get that interview actually...it wasn't the most faithful adaptation to the comics, but it was a unique(in Donner terms) addition, and a great one at that! I would've enjoyed Superman Lives also, but that's just because I'm a Tim Burton fan...there will probably never be a truly faithful adaptation(like Batman Begins) to the Superman legacy, but there are always liberties taken with every adaptation...
 
Showtime029 said:
I feel like you're posting to me in riddle form.

Are these new smilies?
Yes, there are numerous new smilies. :):super: :ninja: :meow: :oldrazz: :bat: :dew:
 
Wesyeed said:
I like only the kid. The rest is just there... blah...blah rehash rehash.

Dude...You should have jumped on the kid bandwagon with me from the start.

Why do you like that pikey kid so much?
 
BatFitz said:
I get that interview actually...it wasn't the most faithful adaptation to the comics, but it was a unique(in Donner terms) addition, and a great one at that! I would've enjoyed Superman Lives also, but that's just because I'm a Tim Burton fan...there will probably never be a truly faithful adaptation(like Batman Begins) to the Superman legacy, but there are always liberties taken with every adaptation...
Thank god for the animated show! Now THESE clips are epic! I don't want ALL fighting (in the movies) but when there IS action, i want it on THIS scale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0VNjribyY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Pzv9u9nEs

A lot of the cartoons are great. The animated Superman comes off down to earth, oldfashioned but still kicks a$$ if need be. basically the producers od the toons have respect for the legend by looking at the source material.

It's mostly chicks that like the chick flick (that they call Superman Returns) and their boyfriends who are whipped into liking it.
But even that aside, it's a bad chick flick, bad pacing, bad acting, no tension, zero chemistry between the bad actors, ridiculous plot, silly ending and dumb beginning.
Oh, how I hate Superman Returns
 
Isildur´s Heir said:
I just saw Superman Returns, and let me tell you that, it SUCKS!!





:p



Ok, no it didn´t.
Now, that i got that out of my system, Superman Returns was everything i was expecting it to be.
Was it a good movie? Yes!
Was it an interesting take on the Man of Steel mythos? Yes!
Was it a good Superman movie? No!
It´s an amazing sequel to the Donner movie, it´s the best comic book movie so far, when it comes to having unanswered questions for a sequel (how is he going to handle being a father, how is the kid going to handle being Superman´s son, how is Superman and Lois relation be after this, how is it going to be Luthor´s return, after nearly killing the Man of Steel,...), but, the problem is, it´s an Elseworld kind of movie, it´s not a good and faithful adaptation.
Superman Returns was not the movie Superman needed or deserved, Superman Returns was not the movie we deserved after 20 years waiting, someone has to shout in Singer´s ear to let the Donner´s movie die in piece, and someone has to teach Singer that Superman is not an idea, but a person, with a history and a life, that can´t just be scrapted, for him to make whatever he pleases (and i´m not talking about giving him a son), even if it is a "love letter" to Donner´s Superman and Superman is not, never was, and never will be, Christ in a cape, so, stop trying to make it so.
Since day one i´ve been saying this, anyone that have read my posts knows that, it will be a great movie, but a lousy adaptation....so, who was right from the start? :D
But, let´s get to the movie itself...

So, where to begin?
First of all, i have to take my hat off to Singer, for at least, he tried to make something diferent.
And that is, IMO, what saved the movie from being a piece of crap, because he tried to make a serious movie, to make it a romance, not falling into the irrelevant action sequences.
The thing is, like i stated above, and been saying it since ever, is that he made a continuation of something extremely outdated.
By making it a "vague sequel", he totally alienated the average joe, that never saw the Donner´s movie or saw it once or twice, and made a movie solely for fans, that´s why the movie failed at the box office.
When i watch a comic book movie, i can easily and utterly forget what i know, and watch the movie expecting to learn about the characters, the movie failed there too.
The movie is not interesting to watch to a non-fan, because everything that happens, every bit of drama, almost every bit of dialogue, is about something that happend more than 25 years ago, things that you didn´t saw happening, and you don´t care anymore, you can´t feel it.
For drama to be effective, you need background, information, you need a start, a base for it to grow on, you don´t have that in Superman Returns, which makes the movie empty and sterile, so, you just take things for granted.
It just seems exactly what it is, that there is a trilogy, and you missed the first movie....
Superman and Lois are in love. Have in seen that love blossom? No. Have you understood whay the love each other? No. You just go with it.
Luthor hates Superman. Have you seen why? No. Have you seen how it all started? No. You just go with it.
The movie that just proved what i was saying since day one, that it was a ridiculous move to revive a dead franchise.
Now, let´s jump to the characters...

Clark Kent/Superman
It´s not that Routh makes a bad job at it, he just tries to hard to make a "Reeve´s playing Clark Kent and Superman", and not be himself.
There are parts where you close your eyes, and you think that Reeve is there; but there are others where Routh just let´s it go, and those are the better ones, when he does his own thing.
He looks the part, that´s another thing going for him.
Clark Kent is a totally forgettable character in this movie, he doesn´t do anything particulary memorable, he is totally put aside, which is a shame, because Clark is a crucial part of Superman.
One thing i was happy about, lost is the all "moronic" Clark Kent of Reeve, but, at the same time, the screen time of Clark is so small that we don´t really a notion of how moronic free he is.
All in all, Clark Kent isn´t still perfect, and far from it, which makes me think that people still don´t understand Clark.
Superman....i watched the movie twice already, and the first time, he just came across as unsympathetic, almost robotic like; the second time, he seemed much better, but even so, there is something missing, something i can´t place my finger on, but it´s there.
I never got the notion that he was in love with Lois, but rather it was all an ego thing.
He loved Lois once, not anymore, because he never says anything to Lois that makes you think otherwise, the only thing he does is taking her flying, which just comes off as arrogant, like he will win her heart again if she flies with him.
Once again, we return to what i was talking about back there, that the movie plays with what we know of the characters, rather than show us.
Superman is not Christ in a fricking cape!!
"You wrote that the world doesn't need a saviour, but every day I hear people crying for one."
WTF is that??
Superman is not a saviour, he is not here to save us from our sins.
After Lois removed the Kryptonite shard from his back (and don´t make me talk about the shard that was removed in the hospital, which would have killed Superman a long time ago), Superman went to the heavens to get bathed by sunlight. When he returns, the heavens open up and light comes out....
WTF is that??
When he falls from the space, after throwing New Krypton, he falls with his arms open wide and his legs together, exactly like Christ in the cross...
WTF??
The Jor-El monologues.....
WTF? So, Jor-El is God to Superman´s Christ?
And don´t tell me that those monologues are from the first, because that´s the main problem.
And it goes on and on....

Lois Lane
Does Bosworth makes a good job?
Yes, absolutely!
Is she good for the part?
No, she is better suited for Gwen Stacy.
Lois Lane biggest flaw, IMO, is that she doesn´t give a rat´s ass to Clark Kent, he is totally invisible to her.
The last time i checked, they were friends...
Second flaw, she never shows any affection to Richard White.
Sure, she is in love in Superman, but, god damn it, he lives with her for the last 5 years, there has to be more than just friendship.
Once again, the movie plays with what he know, not what we see.

Richard White
IMO, the best character in all the movie, better even than Kal-El.
caring, sympathetic, someone you can care about. He is more interesting that Superman, because, at least, he is more than 2 dimensional, more than "i save the world and love Lois".
Amazing job by Mardsen, his best role to date...

Jimmy Olsen and Perry White
Perry doesn´t do anything.
Huntington goes a good job, but he is totally irrelevant for the movie.

Jason White
I didn´t liked the idea of the kid, specialy being Superman´s kid, but, because i didn´t liked Singer´s vision, the kid was the least of my problems.
Now, after seeing the movie i can say that, Jason is one of the best things about the movie.
I still don´t like Singer´s vision, but, having that, i liked the kid.

Lex Luthor
And here comes, once again, the weakest part of Superman Return, of any Superman movie...Luthor.
Smallville can have all the problems in the world, but one thing it has in it´s favor, is the best Lex Luthor since the comics (i can´t talk about TAS).
Once again Luthor is nothing more than a 2nd rate criminal to whom was given the most powerful key in the world.
A wonderful actor like Kevin Spacey deserved a lot more than that.
All he does his plan the most moronic and extravagant plan i ever heard, to build a continent to sell land.
And the first time i comes face to face with the Man of Steel, he almost kills him, in the best scene in all the movie, but, at the same time, weird as hell, because it comes out of nowhere, all that hate is totally weird because we don´t have nothing to back it up.
Once again, the movie plays with what we know, rather than what we see.

Kitty Kowalski
I liked Kitty!
She is not a great character, because she doesn´t do anything, except driving without brakes, but she is not 2 dimensional, the moment she shows that she is not at ease with Luthor´s plan on "killing billions", and she cries when Luthor almost kills Superman.
And, yeah, she is funny, expecially when Luthor asks her what his father as said to him.


All in all, it´s a very good movie, but a lousy Superman movie, at least, not one that the character deserved.
And then, you have a lot of flaws, like Luthor stealing the Krytonite, and no security guard stoping him; having Luthor stealing the crystals with the most extreme ease i´ve ever seen...
Out of 10, i give it 7

Oh, by the way, C. Lee, if you want, feel free to merge this to the review thread, but, because that´s two month old, i see no point.

Very nice man. :up:
 
The Game said:
Why do you like that pikey kid so much?

One word: Potential.

theres just so many possibilities with a new superman.
 

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