4th VILLIAN IS THERE!!!

[Creative Genius]

Now that was just unreasonable what you said, I can see how you can adapt things to make more organic and beliveable, but changing Gwen stacy into Mary Jane, and Ock arms controlling him, just was making harder on themselves, they could have make is simple. Now I think Sandman is going to up stage Harry Osborn and know one is going to care about the conflict between Harry and Peter like they did in 2, which Raimi drop the ball on, Now people want to see Sandman and Venom, Goblin should have ended in 2, so we can put more time maybe in Sandman or Venom. Just Doc Ock kinda upstage Harry in Part 2, Harry does not suppose to have a supporting roll, if you put his story in the back he's going to be in the back. So they are not taking there time in the movies and I don't think they have much confidence in the stories or movies that why they are putting so many people in like, Batman and Robin, they don't even believe in the story that they wrote. Now they put Gwen in and Captain Stacy, just because the fans, just like all the other villians. and a 4th villian, People have already forgotten about the originals conflicts in Spidey1and 2 now they are really going to forget and so when harry dies, people are going to say so what!! Bring on Venom, so why make this the last, they didn't care about building tension and stories anyway, that they have the audacity to talk about Mysterio, because they have no foundation, next they are going to bring up Medusa

 

[Venom 1988]

Hey I understand what ur saying Creative Genius, believe me I do, but yea the only comic book movie thats gonna be real close to the source is Sin City. Like someone else said, theres not gonna be a perfect comic book movie, like there will never be a perfect video game movie, etc..

 

[Hotwire]

Now that was just unreasonable what you said, I can see how you can adapt things to make more organic and beliveable, but changing Gwen stacy into Mary Jane, and Ock arms controlling him, just was making harder on themselves, they could have make is simple. Now I think Sandman is going to up stage Harry Osborn and know one is going to care about the conflict between Harry and Peter like they did in 2, which Raimi drop the ball on, Now people want to see Sandman and Venom, Goblin should have ended in 2, so we can put more time maybe in Sandman or Venom. Just Doc Ock kinda upstage Harry in Part 2, Harry does not suppose to have a supporting roll, if you put his story in the back he's going to be in the back. So they are not taking there time in the movies and I don't think they have much confidence in the stories or movies that why they are putting so many people in like, Batman and Robin, they don't even believe in the story that they wrote. Now they put Gwen in and Captain Stacy, just because the fans, just like all the other villians. and a 4th villian, People have already forgotten about the originals conflicts in Spidey1and 2 now they are really going to forget and so when harry dies, people are going to say so what!! Bring on Venom, so why make this the last, they didn't care about building tension and stories anyway, that they have the audacity to talk about Mysterio, because they have no foundation, next they are going to bring up Medusa

The only thing I have left to say is, "You can't call yourself Genius with that sorry excuse for grammer."

 

[Creative Genius]

I said creative genuis , not spelling bee champion. I am a creative genuis not Grammar Genuis, get it right. lol!

 

[3 Dev Adam]

HERE's the 4th Villain: http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=gls====197373&nbc1=1

 

[Majik1387]

It's all the villains listed in the poll mixed into one character.

 

[Amm-arD]

Someone said the fight schenes using Mysterio would be brill, what are his powers and what can he do?

 

[GoldGoblin]

Someone said the fight schenes using Mysterio would be brill, what are his powers and what can he do?

^In the 90's cartoon he can turn invisible,make illusions,and shoot a laser out of his gloved hand.

 

[DOG LIPS]

^In the 90's cartoon he can turn invisible,make illusions,and shoot a laser out of his gloved hand.

They did an awesome job with him in the 90's series.


Let's not talk about the 60's series.

 

[Flash Fearless]

HERE's the 4th Villain: http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=gls====197373&nbc1=1

That actually makes a lot more sense than Mysterio, or even "Spidey himself." The Burglar is the fourth villain.

 

[Monkeychow01]

Just a little something to egg on these thoughts. Bruce Cambell came to Raleigh to promote his Man with a Screaming Brain movie, and he was asked about his role in Spiderman 3. He said "I will be spiderman. Take that how you want."

We had originally thought he meant that the villian would be the Chameleon *sp?* and it would morph into him at some point as a disguise. It would then put him in spiderman's body or whatnot for a laugh.

Now that I know he is Mysterio, it makes more sense what he said. Quenton Beck did a whole mechanical thing to BE spiderman. So I'm sure that he will be the non-dommed version of Mysterio with all the gadgets on him to be like spiderman.

 

[weezerspider]

Just a little something to egg on these thoughts. Bruce Cambell came to Raleigh to promote his Man with a Screaming Brain movie, and he was asked about his role in Spiderman 3. He said "I will be spiderman. Take that how you want."

We had originally thought he meant that the villian would be the Chameleon *sp?* and it would morph into him at some point as a disguise. It would then put him in spiderman's body or whatnot for a laugh.

Now that I know he is Mysterio, it makes more sense what he said. Quenton Beck did a whole mechanical thing to BE spiderman. So I'm sure that he will be the non-dommed version of Mysterio with all the gadgets on him to be like spiderman.

Makes sense, I still am not beleiveing it until Sam says it himself.

 

[The Shadow]

The only way I could see this possibly working is if Sam does a James Bond / Indiana Jones type beginning with this last one. Indy and Bond movies always began with them finishing up some other adventure before the main one starts...

If 3 starts with Spidey finishing up a fight with Mysertio or whoever before going home to MJ and the "main" plot starts I can live with that.

If they plop a "4th villain" cameo in the middle of the film it's going to be a cluttered mess.

It could also be something like part of a montage of Spidey being a hero too. Someone dressed as Spidey robbing a bank. Spidey stops him and the cops pull the mask off and it's Bruce and someone says "Hey, isn't that Quentin Beck the famous Hollywood FX guy!" Something small like that....

I still think Sam was messing with the fans and press and this "4th" villain is not what people are thinking and he's either referring to "Dark Spidey" or the burgler cameo.

 

[Venom 1988]

The only way I could see this possibly working is if Sam does a James Bond / Indiana Jones type beginning with this last one. Indy and Bond movies always began with them finishing up some other adventure before the main one starts...

If 3 starts with Spidey finishing up a fight with Mysertio or whoever before going home to MJ and the "main" plot starts I can live with that.

It could also be something like part of a montage of Spidey being a hero too. Someone dressed as Spidey robbing a bank. Spidey stops him and the cops pull the mask off and it's Bruce and someone says "Hey, isn't that Quinten Beck the famous Hollywood FX guy!" Something small like that....

I agree, in my opinion these are the only good ways I could see the 4th villain in the movie.

 

[The Shadow]

I just read anothe "rumor summary" and that to has Bruce showing up briefly as Mysterio.

The problem with the net is that any rumors posted not matter what they are get sent all over the place. Pretty soon you have two or three sites reporting the same rumor and then people begin to think it's legit because more than one person is saying it.

IF their going to do this and use Mysterio then I hope it's nothing that's going to effect how or if he could be used down the road. It's bad enough to have continuity problems with the books, don't start it with the film franshise.

The same goes for the "Death of Venom" rumor. Why use it and then kill it off? Didn't anyone learn anything from the previous Batman franchise. It got so bad that they had to start from scratch!

 

[GoldGoblin]

Guys looks like alot of work was already done for the Lizard when S-M2 came out,check it out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldGoblin
-You have a source that says the fourth villain will be the Lizard?

-When you say that the Lizard will be like Toad from X-Men,do you mean his appearance,or his size,do you have a description of what he would look like,is it the full transformation of the Lizard,or just half the transformation,and does spidey fight him?

Answered by(echostation)

Yes this source doesn't exactly work on the production of this film but he works on different projects, he does have friends though who tell him stuff so he's kind of a low key source.. he's the same source that reported first to me that Zack Snyder was 2nd top dog to direct X-3 as NO one knew who was the 1st place choice until AICN and the Hype broke it with Brett Ratner, also the same fellow who mentioned some of the lame lower down WB execs who genuinely felt that Vin Diesel would be an excellent Lex Luthor and were pitching him for the role during the McG days.

He didn;'t get that much info, but apparantly the R&D and a lot of the CG stunt double work that they developed for the Lizard to be used on Spidey 2 (there was LOADS of it done apparantly before Kirsten dropped the bomb like a ****** and there were then massive changes made to the intial treatment by Chabon I believe at the time). But the description he had of the minor Mo-cap work and CG test double models was that Lizard was NOT huge at all like in the comics... his face was also somewhat shorter, more akin to Kenneth Johnsons Lizards from the old series V.

He was shorter like Ray Park but pretty damn ripped although much of the body was covered by a torn grungy dirt fested white coat... he had a very comic book lizard like look with regards to the scaling/skin of the character apparantly.

Now early rumors and info he got was that several of the effects artists did NOT want all that stuff to go to waste (much like the brilliant effects work that was done on Jona Hensleigh's scrapped Hulk, I've never seen it but those who have seen the actual motion of the large exoskeleton mechanically controlled model said it looked amazing in close ups), so they were really hoping for Lizard to be used in the 3rd spidey film to SOME extent which is why I think he'll be the 4th villain and so does my source. He heard there definitely was some writing going on in some fashion to try to fit Curt Connors in especially with the analysis of the symbiote suit.. something about giving the symbiote suit an extra power, the power of regeneration and this is what Connors tampers with during the story to develop into the Lizard

Whether spidey fights him or not I have no clue. My source doesn't get the best of information at times and whenever he does it'll be more minor related stuff and he'll miss the big scoops but I'm hoping he got this one right from his contacts as well but who knows.

 

[The Shape]

Answered by(echostation)

Yes this source doesn't exactly work on the production of this film but he works on different projects, he does have friends though who tell him stuff so he's kind of a low key source.. he's the same source that reported first to me that Zack Snyder was 2nd top dog to direct X-3 as NO one knew who was the 1st place choice until AICN and the Hype broke it with Brett Ratner, also the same fellow who mentioned some of the lame lower down WB execs who genuinely felt that Vin Diesel would be an excellent Lex Luthor and were pitching him for the role during the McG days.

He didn;'t get that much info, but apparantly the R&D and a lot of the CG stunt double work that they developed for the Lizard to be used on Spidey 2 (there was LOADS of it done apparantly before Kirsten dropped the bomb like a ****** and there were then massive changes made to the intial treatment by Chabon I believe at the time). But the description he had of the minor Mo-cap work and CG test double models was that Lizard was NOT huge at all like in the comics... his face was also somewhat shorter, more akin to Kenneth Johnsons Lizards from the old series V.

He was shorter like Ray Park but pretty damn ripped although much of the body was covered by a torn grungy dirt fested white coat... he had a very comic book lizard like look with regards to the scaling/skin of the character apparantly.

Now early rumors and info he got was that several of the effects artists did NOT want all that stuff to go to waste (much like the brilliant effects work that was done on Jona Hensleigh's scrapped Hulk, I've never seen it but those who have seen the actual motion of the large exoskeleton mechanically controlled model said it looked amazing in close ups), so they were really hoping for Lizard to be used in the 3rd spidey film to SOME extent which is why I think he'll be the 4th villain and so does my source. He heard there definitely was some writing going on in some fashion to try to fit Curt Connors in especially with the analysis of the symbiote suit.. something about giving the symbiote suit an extra power, the power of regeneration and this is what Connors tampers with during the story to develop into the Lizard

Whether spidey fights him or not I have no clue. My source doesn't get the best of information at times and whenever he does it'll be more minor related stuff and he'll miss the big scoops but I'm hoping he got this one right from his contacts as well but who knows.

ok, that's all in good fun and everything but HOW DOES HE FIT INTO THE STORY?

he doesn't. sure, the symbiote could have an "extra power", but how does connors becoming the lizard in SM3 work with the story they are trying to tell? what relation does he has to any of the characters, aside for barely knowing peter? how would his transformation affect the story? how could his story be resolved?

it judt doesn't make any sense. people seem to think he's the most logical choice just because connors is already there, but he honestly is not. a quentin beck cameo is more logical than that. i won't believe this until someone logically explains how he would fit into the story. sure, they could just show him transforing and not interacting with peter, but how random is that for an audience? in the midst of the story of SM3, this dude turns himself into a lizard for 2 minutes. MAKES NO SENSE.

and we can rule out some crazy lizard cliffhanger, cause that's just not happening.

 

[GoldGoblin]

^If Raimi does want S-M3 to be his last movie,then adding the Lizard makes sense since he wanted to have the Lizard in part 2.It doesn't need to take the whole movie to tell his story.

A guy who is missing a limb injects himself with the DNA of a lizard because lizards regrow limbs,but instead of just regrowing his limb,he becomes the Lizard.(That wouldn't even take 5 minutes to explain it to moviegoers)

Dr.Connors studies a piece of the symbiote that spidey gives him and Dr.Connors finds out that it can regenerate cells,so he mixes it with lizard DNA and creates the monster the Lizard.

The Lizard could fight spidey in a little action scene in Dr.Connors lab when spidey comes back to meet Dr.Connors for the symbiote results.In the spidey movies the Lizard couldn't be a main villain anyway since he wouldn't be able to talk.

 

[Naite22]

Spider-Man 3 WON'T be the last LOL... This franchise will go on for another couple of sequels, there's so much to tell.

 

[Naite22]

^If Raimi does want S-M3 to be his last movie,then adding the Lizard makes sense since he wanted to have the Lizard in part 2.It doesn't need to take the whole movie to tell his story.

A guy who is missing a limb injects himself with the DNA of a lizard because lizards regrow limbs,but instead of just regrowing his limb,he becomes the Lizard.(That wouldn't even take 5 minutes to explain it to moviegoers)

Dr.Connors studies a piece of the symbiote that spidey gives him and Dr.Connors finds out that it can regenerate cells,so he mixes it with lizard DNA and creates the monster the Lizard.

The Lizard could fight spidey in a little action scene in Dr.Connors lab when spidey comes back to meet Dr.Connors for the symbiote results.In the spidey movies the Lizard couldn't be a main villain anyway since he wouldn't be able to talk.

Please, no more DUMB scientists that gets ****ed up by there own little experiment!!!!! That's the case in both spidey 1 AND 2! Having Connors become the Lizard from his own experiment will only do, ONES AGAIN, what the previous two films also did. And no more ****ing "semi"-villains with a conscience!!! We want fully blown bad-ass PSYCHO villains!, and that we will get in spidey 3! (about time!)

 

[Rated-X]

My question is, how can you not at least put the Man Wolf in your poll. John was in the second movie and will be in the third one. If that would have been anyone else, you would have included him on the poll.

 

[Venom 1988]

My question is, how can you not at least put the Man Wolf in your poll. John was in the second movie and will be in the third one. If that would have been anyone else, you would have included him on the poll.

Cause everyone in the poll is on a list on the official site as who could be the next villain. Though I think Shocker should be there.

 

[Denny67]

Spider-Man 3 WON'T be the last LOL... This franchise will go on for another couple of sequels, there's so much to tell.

Agreed


http://www.movieweb.com/news/24/7724.php

 

[lordofthenerds]

Cause everyone in the poll is on a list on the official site as who could be the next villain. Though I think Shocker should be there.

That list was for Venom and Sandman I think. Shocker definitely needs to be put on the poll.

 

[jay74]

I honestly believe that the 4th villian is..... THE GREEN GOBLIN! Not Harry but his father Norman! When you see him "die" in the first movie look at it again. He wasn't hit in any vital areas (Below abdomen) as far as I can see. In Spiderman 2 Norman shows up again to taunt Harry into taking up the goblin mantle. I believe in the 3rd one Harry will obviously wrestle with his consience over Peter killing his father but overall will realize that Peter did the right thing. I think that Norman will attack Peter and lead him to believe that it was Harry. But in the end you will see Harry stop his father as his version of the goblin. He then decides to help Spiderman because he knows it's the right thing to do. And as for the Sandman to me it doesn't honestly look like he's attacking Uncle Ben. He seems to have arrived after the shooting and Uncle Ben staggers to him. But the fact that Flint Marko is already a petty crook or whatever he offers little to no help whatsoever fearing he will be blamed for the shooting. I'm betting he leaves Ben to die and flees the scene. Of course I could be completey waaaay off...