6.05 - Reunion - Discussion Thread - "Spoilers"

[avidreader]

In so many words....


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yes.

Ha ha!

But you know, putting it simply like that, I think I've got it.

Lex realises that the reason why Clark broke it off with Lana was because he always felt like he was putting her in danger or hurting her, so Lex is just adding more salt to Clark's wounds by rubbing it in Clark's face.

Bad Lex. Bad, bad, bad Lex.

 

[Kaboom]

Ha ha!

But you know, putting it simply like that, I think I've got it.

Lex realises that the reason why Clark broke it off with Lana was because he always felt like he was putting her in danger or hurting her, so Lex is just adding more salt to Clark's wounds by rubbing it in Clark's face.

Bad Lex. Bad, bad, bad Lex.

ha ha the aussie uses "s"s instead of "z"s.

 

[avidreader]

ha ha the aussie uses "s"s instead of "z"s.

You just REALISED this now.

And its not zee its zed.

 

[Kaboom]

LOL....i bet you get in queue too!

 

[Brainiac 8]

Ha ha!

But you know, putting it simply like that, I think I've got it.

Lex realises that the reason why Clark broke it off with Lana was because he always felt like he was putting her in danger or hurting her, so Lex is just adding more salt to Clark's wounds by rubbing it in Clark's face.

Bad Lex. Bad, bad, bad Lex.

Bad Lex....but Good Sex....

 

[avidreader]

LOL....i bet you get in queue too!

My hubby cant get out of the habit of saying that, but I've adapted to "line".

 

[NHawk19]

I was thinking about that. She wasnt hurt, physically because of anything Clark did, except for one episode and that was Splinter. I dont know where Lex got off saying that she'd been in hospital so many times because of him.

And I think I need to watch it again, because I missed the Warrior Angel/Reckoning analogy.

Maybe someone could fill me in, so I know what to look for.

Well that's cause you know the back story on how Lana was hurt. Remember not everyone does so it looks more suspicious.

And Warrior Angel was the comic they were reading in the opening.

 

[Brainiac 8]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]In the flashback at the start of the episode, Lex and Duncan are discussing the comic book previously referred to a couple seasons ago.
Lex updates Duncan on why the two main characters ( Warrior Angel and Black Diamond ) are enemies now. He says the evil father of the Black Diamond breaks out of prison and Warrior Angel "takes him down...then there's this accident and the guy dies".

The issue # Lex refers to is 126.

Episode 126 is coming up just past midseason.

Hmm?

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I was lurking the K-Site forums and checking out their rants. But this one comment caught my eye, and while it's probably nothing, I found it an interesting thought.

 

[Kaboom]

Quote:
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]In the flashback at the start of the episode, Lex and Duncan are discussing the comic book previously referred to a couple seasons ago.
Lex updates Duncan on why the two main characters ( Warrior Angel and Black Diamond ) are enemies now. He says the evil father of the Black Diamond breaks out of prison and Warrior Angel "takes him down...then there's this accident and the guy dies".

The issue # Lex refers to is 126.

Episode 126 is coming up just past midseason.

Hmm?[/FONT]


I was lurking the K-Site forums and checking out their rants. But this one comment caught my eye, and while it's probably nothing, I found it an interesting thought.

that will be the as of yet untitled episode 6-16.

maybe lionel dies in accident having to do with the black box and restroing power to the FOS and Lex blames clark.

 

[Brainiac 8]

that will be the as of yet untitled episode 6-16.

maybe lionel dies in accident having to do with the black box and restroing power to the FOS and Lex blames clark.

If it was a clue or something, which it probably isn't, maybe they just told us when Lionel will be done away with by Lex.

 

[Kaboom]

except the dad is taken down by warrior angel.

 

[Brainiac 8]

except the dad is taken down by warrior angel.

Maybe Lionel gets caught in the middle of a fight between Clark and a Zoner.

Clark pulls a Spider-Man and takes Lionel's body back so Lex can bury it, but it just makes Lex blame Clark for the death. I don't know.

 

[avidreader]

Maybe Lionel gets caught in the middle of a fight between Clark and a Zoner.

Clark pulls a Spider-Man and takes Lionel's body back so Lex can bury it, but it just makes Lex blame Clark for the death. I don't know.

Its an interesting theory, but I tend to think that Lionel, if he does go, will die protecting Clark from Lex and that will be what angers Lex.

Lionel loved Clark more than Lex.

That's a definite woobie Lex. :heart:

 

[Brainiac 8]

I agree, that is probably how they'll play the Lionel death, the villain through most of the story dieing to protect the hero.


heh...woobie.t:

 

[The Sage]

The SmarkVille Rant - "Reunion"

And Arrow gave me so much hope...

Memoria, this episode was not. Not even 50% Color me disappointed.

The business...

The Good:

Lex's flashbacks - Good for what they were. I'm getting sick of Lex being such a victim as if he didn't have an iota of evil in him, that it's all because of Daddy Lionel and his environment. But this works, as we see Lex as a kid trying to fit in. It's been years since the meteor shower that robbed him of his hair, and he's still ashamed of it, keeping his cap on at all times. We also see the Warrior Angel comic, the one that Ryan from seasons 1 and 2 read that Lex mentioned he collected. Nice continuity as it shows some things aren't forgotten. Some being the key word, which I'll expound on later. Lex wanted his name to be first in the name of the law firm when he and Duncan planned to go into law together upon graduation. That good 'ole Luthor arrogance.

Lois was on fire this episode. She redeems Clark's stupidity by telling him that Lana made her questionable choices on her own and that Clark should stop beating himself over it. If Clark would listen to her...

Phantom Zone stuff - Yes, Zoners is a lame name, but everything else was cool, with the crater impacts, Chloe, and Ollie providing the images for them. If there was more focus on this, it could've lifted this episode from where it was.

Oliver Queen - No, not the young Ollie, the adult one. Ollie regrets what he did when he was kid, sweet. Though if you think about it, there's no other choice, since he's supposed to be a good guy and if he didn't regret it, Ollie would be an ass. But he apologized to Lex and got closure. The boxing arrow mention was nice, but no visual so no count.

Gotham reference was nice for what it was. Not enough to move me to grab a Batman comic since the guy gets fried a few seconds later.

After Ollie says Lex loves Lana too much to risk her life, there's a moment when Clark stands there, as if he's contemplating Ollie's words. Either that, or Welling was trying to remember his lines. I'll say it's the former, and good job by Welling.

Ollie whips Lex's ass. Made perfect sense, and if Lex had whipped Ollie's I would've thrown a batarang at my monitor.

The Bad:

Alden's death is funny as hell. A piece of the roof nearly falls on him. And like a dumbass, he stands in the same spot instead of moving, pretty much leaving himself open for another piece of the roof to fall on him, which it did, except it was a sword that plunged into his chest. Maybe I'm cynical, but watching it a second time, it looked silly. Why that clown didn't move out of the way is beyond me. And there was a delay to when the blood splattered on Lex too.

Lionel calls Lex's joke about Aldan's death distasteful. From the same guy who left Adam Knight in a dark room to die, had his research team killed, had the Angel of Vengeance's mom killed. Took me out of the scene.

Zoners? Lame name. If Lois will eventually come up with names like Superman and I think kryptonite, why can't Chloe create better ones? "Phantom Zone criminals" is really a mouthful? Weak attempt at being cool that fails.

The flashbacks did more good for Lex than they did for Ollie. After coming across as the good guy last week, he now looks like an *******. Ollie comments that he's known Lex longer than Clark, so he knows who he really is. But look at it. From that point with young Ollie to now, Lex comes across as a good guy who got bullied by his peers, media, his father, and that's why he is who he is. Ollie on the other hand, from that point in his youth to now, comes across as a jackass who has reformed. Who looks good and easily sympathetic? The victim, Lex. Who looks bad and even now has a reason to not like him? Ollie. He's supposed to be the good guy?

Clark is like a doormat. Lana gets hurt as in the hospital. Clark goes there to see her. Why? Just why? First, he had to have known Lex would be there, which would make it an even major "no". I mean, if Lana treats Clark like **** when he visits to the mansion asking about Lex's whereabouts to help him, then Lex removes Clark's rights to come to the mansion, logic would dictate that Clark would think to stay away from them. Why not ask Chloe or Martha to ask? Or Lois, who did?

Clark tells Lionel to help him solve the murder case, because Lex could get added to the body count. Three weeks ago, Lionel asked for Clark's help to find Lex, and Clark could give a damn about Lex and said they're not friends, therefore he doesn't care what happens to Lex. I'm surprised Lionel didn't mention it. Character inconsistency.

And of course, the big star killer, the FOTW. Duncan is the cause of the killings, still alive in a vegetative state thanks to being injected by a kryptonite solution. What's this, kryptonite injection # 2? Last one I remember is Lana injecting herself to see her dead parents. Anyway, this was predictable. Almost from the get go you know almost can tell Duncan is the culprit and that this is a revenge plot. Gah. Why didn't Lionel try the "wake the dead" shot from Season Three?

Brainwaves & astral projection - What about them? No explanation about how the former leads to the latter? Is the audience supposed to know? So because the deaths occur at the same time as Duncan's injections, he must be using astral-projection? HAHAHAHAHA!

Not to mention Lois learns this from the Inquisitor, a tabloid. Why? Why? Why?

Lex says to Ollie that since Ollie came to Metropolis, he's been kidnapped, his life has been put in jeopardy, and the woman he loves is now lying in a hospital. Which is hilarious considering all of that happened numerous times before Ollie stepped foot in Metropolis. Well **** Lex, what do you call the events in Zero? A practical joke? Not to mention when Lex went insane briefly, incited the horse in the stable that stomped on Lana and put her in the hospital.

Other Thoughts:

Ollie the bully tells Lex there's something wrong with him. Yeah, the bully tells him that, after being shown intimidating people and stealing test scores. It's funny seeing the guy who's supposed to be the defender of the little people making fun of them. They need to show now why Ollie became Green Arrow, and they can't say because his parents drowned at sea. Nor can it be Duncan's death.

Scholarship - Laughable? This will probably sound like I'm ranting, but that's what this review is anyway. Duncan gets a scholarship to Excelsior since his mother couldn't pay for it, and this is funny. To an extent, until you realize that scholarships are also about grades and test scores. Meaning, Duncan must've had high enough test scores not only to get into the school, but also a free ride. Laughable? Not at all IMO. Maybe that's part of being rich, but this poor kid is in a rich school for free. The boy must be smart as hell. No one mentions this?

Lex's last line: "Only thing I can do is look forward."

Darn straight, because after this I need to look forward and hope to see a good episode next week. Fallout needs to be really good. Maybe after power is restored to the FOS, the season will kick into high gear...HAHAHAHAHA, I forgot who I was talking about!!

Call it ** out of 5 stars for this week.

Looking at next week, it looks promising, except for one thing: BOW WOW GUEST STARS AS A KILLER FROM THE PHANTOM ZONE.
They're gonna push Bow Wow as a killer? Who's idea was this?

 

[avidreader]

Does anyone think that they are setting up a Chloe/Ollie relationship?

First last week we had Chloe agreeing with the "end justifies the means" and then this week the dialogue in that scene with Chloe/Clark/Ollie not only suggested that Chloe found him cute but there was mention of second goes or something like that. I'll have to rewatch to get the exact exchange.

But I must say it has me a little curious.

 

[thebigtree95]

The SmarkVille Rant - "Reunion"

The Bad:

Alden's death is funny as hell. A piece of the roof nearly falls on him. And like a dumbass, he stands in the same spot instead of moving, pretty much leaving himself open for another piece of the roof to fall on him, which it did, except it was a sword that plunged into his chest. Maybe I'm cynical, but watching it a second time, it looked silly. Why that clown didn't move out of the way is beyond me. And there was a delay to when the blood splattered on Lex too.

This appears to be critical just to be critical. It wouldn't matter where the guy was standing, he was still going to be stabbed. And there has to be a delay if your going to see the stabbing, and see where the blood goes.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Ah Sage your reviews always puts a smile on my face .

 

[Cmill216]

Ollie whips Lex's ass. Made perfect sense, and if Lex had whipped Ollie's I would've thrown a batarang at my monitor.

Yeah, I was happy about that, as well. Would've taken me out of the episode a bit if it was otherwise.

Lionel calls Lex's joke about Aldan's death distasteful. From the same guy who left Adam Knight in a dark room to die, had his research team killed, had the Angel of Vengeance's mom killed. Took me out of the scene.

I don't see how that line and knowing what Lionel has done could have taken you out of the scene. If anything, as a fan of the show, I'd find it simple irony.

Zoners? Lame name. If Lois will eventually come up with names like Superman and I think kryptonite, why can't Chloe create better ones? "Phantom Zone criminals" is really a mouthful? Weak attempt at being cool that fails.

Is this a critque of the episode or just a silly fan nitpick? I'll put it in the latter box.

The flashbacks did more good for Lex than they did for Ollie. After coming across as the good guy last week, he now looks like an *******. Ollie comments that he's known Lex longer than Clark, so he knows who he really is. But look at it. From that point with young Ollie to now, Lex comes across as a good guy who got bullied by his peers, media, his father, and that's why he is who he is. Ollie on the other hand, from that point in his youth to now, comes across as a jackass who has reformed. Who looks good and easily sympathetic? The victim, Lex. Who looks bad and even now has a reason to not like him? Ollie. He's supposed to be the good guy?

Yeah I kinda felt the same way here. "Sheesh, Oliver was a *****e."

Clark is like a doormat. Lana gets hurt as in the hospital. Clark goes there to see her. Why? Just why? First, he had to have known Lex would be there, which would make it an even major "no". I mean, if Lana treats Clark like **** when he visits to the mansion asking about Lex's whereabouts to help him, then Lex removes Clark's rights to come to the mansion, logic would dictate that Clark would think to stay away from them. Why not ask Chloe or Martha to ask? Or Lois, who did?

Close your eyes and think: could you really see Clark not visiting her in the hospital AT ALL? He's not thinking about whether or not Lex will be there, he just wants to know for himself if she's okay. A typical Clark move that, of course, didn't end particularly well.

Clark tells Lionel to help him solve the murder case, because Lex could get added to the body count. Three weeks ago, Lionel asked for Clark's help to find Lex, and Clark could give a damn about Lex and said they're not friends, therefore he doesn't care what happens to Lex.

Well, Lana was in the hospital and Oliver asked him to help solve this thing. I think those are two solid enough reasons for Clark to care about what's happening with Lex.

Maybe that's part of being rich, but this poor kid is in a rich school for free.

I felt like they should have been merely ticked off by his presence if anything; "a lucky little poor kid amongst us wealthy." *shrugs shoulders* It was odd to me, as well.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Does anyone think that they are setting up a Chloe/Ollie relationship?

First last week we had Chloe agreeing with the "end justifies the means" and then this week the dialogue in that scene with Chloe/Clark/Ollie not only suggested that Chloe found him cute but there was mention of second goes or something like that. I'll have to rewatch to get the exact exchange.

But I must say it has me a little curious.

I hope not.

Last night episode [shows me that Chloe really isn't needed anymore]
Now that Lois is moving a head towards her Destiny and Clark is becoming more and more like SUPERMAN .

Chloe's importance is becoming less & less of an importance [She's done nothing at the planet as a so called reporter.] If anything the only reason She at the planet [to show The Daily Planet] & [For Clark to have a place get the latest news on the major things that happen both Metropolis, as well as a place for him to research infomation] Other than that Chloe really doesn't do a damn thing in the basement of the planet .

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Chloe/Ollie wouldnt make much sense especially with Jimmy on the show..

Speaking of which, has anyone seen Jimmy? Hello? Anybody?

 

[Kaboom]

TPTB like chloe too much not to have big plans for her. Remeber she knows Clarks secret, has had a crush on Clark, shes dating jimmy, and shes Lois's cousin.

how would you feel if you think the kid you've always had a crush on starts digging your cousin, your cousin is dating a super hot guy, your cousin is now beocming the ace reporter that youve always defined yourself as, and your bf starts idolizing the one guy in the middle of it all?

recipe for disaster if you ask me.

 

[Cmill216]

Speaking of which, has anyone seen Jimmy? Hello? Anybody?

He's supposed to be back next week. But honestly, so far he hasn't served any sort of dramatic function other than to give Chloe a companion.

 

[Red]

I really liked this episode, the only lame part was the villian.

 

[The Caped Knight]

TPTB like chloe too much not to have big plans for her. Remeber she knows Clarks secret, has had a crush on Clark, shes dating jimmy, and shes Lois's cousin.

how would you feel if you think the kid you've always had a crush on starts digging your cousin, your cousin is dating a super hot guy, your cousin is now beocming the ace reporter that youve always defined yourself as, and your bf starts idolizing the one guy in the middle of it all?

recipe for disaster if you ask me.

Ok Before The Arrival of Lois [She served a huge purpose in the show] as The One to introduce Clark to the World Of Journalism. [Season 1-3]

When Lois arrived in Season 4 [Chloe still seved a purpose] to Get Lois involed in Journalism in which she her self said many time both in [season 4 & 5] Lois would be prefect at.

Now this season With both Lois & Clark becoming more independant and getting closer towards their ultimalty destinies Chloe's purpose on the show is fading fast .