80's Sci Fi/Action Movies Appreciation Thread

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Those are cool pictures, such a great film. I couldn't find any pictures from Predator 2. Can you?
 
Loved the first one LOVED the second one and I'm still waiting for the REAL part 3 to come out.
 
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10 years after laying waste to a central American jungle, the Predator is once again on the prowl. This brutal alien species, which uses state-of-the-art weaponry instead of teeth and claws, isn’t in Los Angeles to see the sights. Instead, this “ultimate hunter” is more interested in a human safari; killing anyone who crosses his path. In fact, the Predator never seems to do anything else. Whether battling that other alien race, or slicing up a human or two, the life of a Predator is never mundane. After all, we never see him dating, or popping down the local Indian for some grub. The Predator’s only agenda is to make mince meat out of its foes, which puts our planet on the critical list. Last time, our only hope was a determined commando in the guise of Arnold Schwarzenegger, but LA seems to be running low on beefed-up grunts, placing our fate into the hands of gruff cop Mike Harrigan (Danny Glover). A man who isn’t afraid to piss on the rule book, he’s fighting a war against the city’s drug lords; a network of criminals who are targeted by the fiend of the title. Will Harrigan uncover the true nature of this invisible killer, and more importantly, will he live to tell the tale?

Released in 1990, Predator 2 has always been overlooked. Maligned by many critics, it failed to match the claustrophobic intensity of John McTiernan’s original, yet delivered plenty of blood-splattered thrills. Helmed by the underrated Stephen Hopkins (Under Suspicion), it has remained my favourite guilty pleasure. In most respects, I feel people have treated Predator 2 rather harshly. Those expecting a sequel to match the likes of Aliens deserve to be disappointed. After all, the original concept was hardly a stroke of genius. McTiernan’s work was an efficient fusion of action, sci-fi and horror, which used its principle location to full effect. Yet, the story was nothing new, and Schwarzenegger’s role was strictly one-note. But the film worked. It was pumped-full of testosterone, and boasted a fine array of stunts and arterial spray. Therefore, it was a little mean to lament Predator 2 for being more of the same. I for one, have always enjoyed this picture, and its barrage of over-the-top carnage is a must for any fan of comic book schlock...

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Of course, it’s the setting that gets most of the attention. Trading the jungles for urban ghettos, the screenplay takes a logical route. After all, if the film merely rehashed the same location, the filmmakers would have been criticised for their lack of effort (not that Predator 2 is anything but a cash-in quickie.) Screenwriters Jim and John Thomas seem to love the urban setting, allowing Hopkins to employ a different style and tone. But the location does introduce problems. After all, the wild is scarier than civilisation, and the director can’t replicate the moody atmosphere that McTiernan delivered in spades. To his credit, Hopkins tries hard. On release, Predator 2 was considered “futuristic”. Set in 1997 (a full seven years ahead of the film), the LA seen here is one dogged by a constant heat wave, and gang warfare that threatens to blow the city apart. Such a gimmick allows the action to be explosive, giving the Predator a pretty exciting playground, if little else.

Some fans had a problem with the cast too. Stripped of Arnold’s patriotic hero Dutch, the screenwriters had to introduce new characters. Carrying the film on his shoulders, Glover does an admirable job, and he clearly relished the chance to play the flip-side of his Lethal Weapon role. While he doesn’t convince as a one-man army, and his dialogue is pretty poor, Glover keeps the material engaging. Harrigan is a tough, get-it-done kind of guy, who shows compassion for his co-workers, but would rather work alone. Naturally, we’ve seen this type of cop many times before, but Glover’s charm makes Harrigan a delightfully unpredictable hero. I also appreciated the supporting players, and thanks to some shrewd casting, the film has plenty of familiar faces; providing a neat contrast to McTiernan’s wise-cracking rogues. We have the loyal partner, Danny (Ruben Blades), the tough-as-nails Leona (Maria Conchita Alonso) and the wisecracking Jerry Lambert, played with enthusiasm by Bill Paxton (by this point in his career, he’d been killed on screen by an Alien, a Predator and the Terminator.) The characters are typical cannon fodder, and only Paxo amuses as the “comic relief cop”.

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In fact, they all play second fiddle to the late Kevin Peter Hall. Given first billing on the credits, his turn as the Predator is probably the best performance in the picture. His towering frame made the creature an imposing screen presence, performing most of the stunts with gusto. Of course, Hall had help from Stan Winston’s bravura make-up designs. Just as memorable as H.R. Giger’s Alien, the Predator is a wonderful visual. The comic book would eventually broaden the designs (and even hack-for-hire Paul Anderson played with the look), but this dreadlock-sporting terror is a true original. Drawn by heat - a fact Anderson overlooked with the snowbound AvP - he kills purely for sport, which makes the Predator unique. After all, here is a creature of honour and skill, that refuses to kill for blood alone. He’s a true hunter, even taking a trophy. His bag of tricks is intimidating too, and Hopkins takes great relish in improving his arsenal. A circular saw that flies through the air; a net that cuts through flesh; a retracting spear; all of which make Harrigan’s custom pistol fairly laughable. And lest we forget the Predator’s heat vision? It once again provides an unnerving bird’s eye view, as the creature prowls rooftops around the city. Add the invisibility cloak, and you have one formidable opponent...

The large budget allows these devices to truly impress, and it must be said that Predator 2 works best as eye candy. Still, the writers do take the time to introduce a “story”, thin as it might be. The first film played like Platoon mixed with Alien, and this time they meld the sci-fi elements with a detective story. For the first half of the film, Harrigan’s team has no clue that this visitor is from the stars, and the fact that government agent Peter Keyes (Gary Busey) is tailing the perpetrator furthers their confusion. Of course, the government has been following the Predator ever since he destroyed several acres of rain forest. It’s a little-known fact, that the character of Keyes was supposed to be Schwarzenegger’s Dutch, but in his defence, Busey does his usual best - a caricature that has become the norm for him. This adds another tantalising sub-plot to the film, but unfortunately, it never gets the pay-off it truly deserves. This picture is all about action, and in that respect, it delivers.

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The pace is set from the very first frame, and never lets up. The audience is thrown directly into a war zone, between the Colombian drug cartels and a diminishing police force. Explosions, furious gun fights, and several bloody deaths fly across the screen. Of course, the Predator swoops out of hiding to slaughter these criminals in various grisly ways. In fact, you have to wonder why Harrigan is so concerned about this “new player”, since he’s doing a better job of cleaning up the streets. But logic has no place here - it’s a one-way trip to bombast central. Hopkins goes way over-the-top, and for once, it’s just the ticket. In 1990, we weren’t so politically correct as we are now, and Predator 2 is a big-budget exploitation picture that doesn’t shy away from gratuitous violence and grand guignol gore. Speaking of blood, this sequel gets pretty nasty. Gruesome slayings are the order of the day, and no scene shows this better than when the Predator takes out a whole room of gun-toting criminals. People get pinned to the wall, skewered on the alien’s pincers, and torn to pieces. Hopkins even starts the scene with some explicit sex, and porn star Teri Weigel makes quite the impression. If you haven’t guessed, subtlety is not this films strongest point, and I’m not complaining.

The momentum reaches its peak in the final act, which starts with the famed subway train sequence. After stalking Jerry and Leona, the Predator boards the train, takes out the power, and proceeds to face his targets in total darkness. It’s the only moment in Predator 2’s run time, that possesses any considerable tension, and Hopkins milks the situation for every last drop of suspense. Of course, it’s all just a build-up for Harrigan’s confrontation with the creature, and the conclusion provides enough surprises to satisfy. The cop traces the Predator to his hide-out, which is, rather fittingly, a slaughterhouse. Another bloody battle ensues, with Busey’s government cronies thrown-in for a lively body count. Sparks fly, guns fire, and the creature is soon on the move again; resulting in the final fight aboard the Predator’s hidden space ship! There’s so much excitement to be had in the last 30 minutes, that many of the flaws are forgiven, especially when one final revelation is revealed (no, it isn’t the Alien skull neatly concealed in the Predator’s trophy cabinet.) Those who hated the rest of the film probably won’t be swayed, but the filmmakers get points for their effort. After all, it’s more involving than the bloodless and rather weak Alien Vs. Predator, which failed to capitalise on its titular stars.

15 years later, Predator 2 still carries a bad reputation. I don’t have a clue why. Is it better than the classic original? Certainly not, but it’s an exciting and fast-paced blend of detective clichés and sci-fi conventions, that makes the faults easier to bare. The action rouses, Alan Silvestri’s score sweeps, and the blood flows like fine wine. Predator 2 isn’t big, and it definitely isn’t clever, but it gets my vote as the most underrated sequel in recent times...
 
Liked the first one a lot, and I absolutely loved the second one. One of the greatest sequels in history. I've kind of forgotten about the third one. Hell, I didn't even buy the DVD. But this has been a gem in my DVD collection:

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The thing I love most about the Alien films...

Ridley Scott

James Cameron

David Fincher

Jean-Pierre Juenett

Each film showcased a different talented director, yet seemed to have perfect flow from one to another.

I love that about this series.

CFE
 
To this day, I still haven't seen the second one. I liked the first one a lot. The Predator has got to be one of the most awesome designs ever.
 
I love both of them.

I agree.

I agreed with you the second back in 2003 when I saw the name "Jonathan Mostow" where the name "James Cameron" should've been.

Hell, I would've prefered Rise of the Machines had never been made.

CFE
 
Hopefully that review I posted will convince you to at least rent Predator 2
 
Jean-Pierre Juenett has no talent and his film dosent even remotely "flow" with its predecessors. I'm trying to "appreciate" 3 of my FAVORITE films here and you keep bringing up something so horrendous that I haev been trying to block it out since '97.
 
I couldn't agree more. It basically pissed on everything James Cameron did with the first two films.

I don't consider Terminator 3 as canon.
 
"Resurrection" is like "Batman & Robin"

The weakest installment? Of course...

But it's a valid installment looking back in retrospective.

CFE
 
I couldn't agree more. It basically pissed on everything James Cameron did with the first two films.

I don't consider Terminator 3 as canon.

It is almost as if ever franchise we cherish must be destroyed in some way. Terminator 3 destroyed Terminator like Alien: Resurrection destroyed Alien. We can only hope for an H20 like retcon.
 
I cant except it as a "valid installment", I understand if you want to but for me Id rather it had never of happened. OT: I enjoyed Batman and Robin for what it was; a fun throwback to the 60's t.v series.
 
No. Alien 3 destroyed the Alien franchise for me, and i love David Fincher's work.

But i see what you mean.
 
As much as I love the first two movies, I'm having a hard time mustering up any anticipation for the "Sarah Connor Chronicles" TV show. The way I see it, if Arnold's not in it, don't bother.
 
Yeah, it looks like a disaster. Arnold? What about Linda Hamilton? She is Sarah Connor as far as I'm concerned. Just after i thought things couldn't get any worse after Terminator 3.
 
As a film student enrolled at the Art Institute I look at it this way...

As a fan, T2 is my favorite.

As a filmmaker, the 1984 original is my favorite. It's so shoe string and guerrilla in terms of production; watching the "Other Voices" documentary was such a treat. Especially Cameron's "Big Mac Coupon" story ;)

CFE
 
I can respect prefering the series to just end with Ripley's death in Alien 3, but if a fourth installment had to be made (which in this case it was) how else could the story've gone other than the way it did?

I can't for the life of me think of how else to continue beyond Alien 3 if I were commissioned to pen a draft of the fourth film.

When Alien 4 was greenlit, and a story had to be created to follow up the third film...I couldn't think of a more logical way than the way they went.

CFE
 
T2 was pure awesomeness. It had a really sad ending too.
 
There's a 3rd & 4th Alien? Wow....Unless you mean AVP & AVP:R.
 
I can respect prefering the series to just end with Ripley's death in Alien 3, but if a fourth installment had to be made (which in this case it was) how else could the story've gone other than the way it did?

I can't for the life of me think of how to continue beyond Alien 3 if I were commissioned to pen a draft of the fourth film.

CFE

The company has covered up the events of Aliens/Alien 3. Hicks older brother dosent believe the cover-up story (something to do with lv-426's cooling systems malfunctioning) He begins to investigate and discovers the company's contingency plan (which has something to do with why Ash was put on the Nostrommo) this leads to the the secrets of the space jockeys and the xeno's origins being revealed.

Or something like that. It would be a kind of "sequel trilogy" and allow Ripley's story to stay dead.

(Note this is not my idea but something I read online way back when it was a supposed failed draft for Alien 4)-- I think with work it could have made a great film. Even though my preference is that Alien 3 be the final chapter of the Alien saga (I don't think a fourth had to be made).

None of this changes the fact that A:R is just a BAD film. If it was just about some other monster and not the alien it would have still been a BAD film. It is worse than AVP and AVP is just dreadful.
 
Actually there was a story my best friend and I were working on for the possibility of an Alien 5...

The film, which we dubbed "Alien Planet" would focus on Ripley and Call from "Resurrection" finally journeying to the homeworld of the Xenomorphs, discovering that the creatures, while entirely organic, were actually instruments of biological warfare created by the space jockeys.

We'd also discover an alternate plane of time that surrounds the planet (we haven't flushed out the story yet to account for this, but with enough thought we'd make it work to help our ending)

The film would end with Ripley flying the Space Jokcey derelict off of the Alien Planet, sending a distress signal warning other ships to stay away while she crashes the ship...

...into LV-426...

The film would end with the Nostromo recieving the signal, and thus setting up a circular storyline, and give closure to Ripley's character.

CFE
 

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