82nd Annual Academy Awards

What? It's not Bigelow's job to champion the cause for women just because she happens to be one. She just need to keep making good films regardless of whether men or women are prominent in them. Her win counts equally to all the other wins.

You nailed it perfectly Zeus Iceman. It shouldn't matter what sex or race you are as long as you can create a great film most. My exceptions would be the race specific historical films like Schindler's List and the upcoming MLK biopic.

However, I still wish more black directors would be able to create blockbuster films and do more than "black family struggle" or inner city films.
 
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Entertainment is always gonna be a male dominated industry, that's just how it is. When a chick(that's right, I said a chick) does do something successful, suddenly it's out of the dudes' comfort zone.
 
To be completely honest with you I think Bigelow’s win didn’t COUNT PERIOD!!!

The main reason why is because she didn’t direct a female-centric movie. On top of that most of her movies are male-centric. Future female directors will realize the hard way that in order for women to rise to the top they need to learn how to please men. The only way a female director can truly WIN is when she makes a movie centered around women.

Oh and I did see THL great movie by the way!

are you kidding me? a good movie is a good movie regardless of what its centered around. all you apparently see are genders, which is a shame that you feel her merits are based on them.

she is an oscar winner because she's a good director, not because she's a man or a woman
 
are you kidding me? a good movie is a good movie regardless of what its centered around. all you apparently see are genders, which is a shame that you feel her merits are based on them.

she is an oscar winner because she's a good director, not because she's a man or a woman

Exactly.
 
it sucks how the oscars did a horror tribute yet they never even nominate anyyy horror movies ever....

...thats like some nazi soldier award show paying tribute to jews.. lol
 
To be completely honest with you I think Bigelow’s win didn’t COUNT PERIOD!!!

The main reason why is because she didn’t direct a female-centric movie. On top of that most of her movies are male-centric. Future female directors will realize the hard way that in order for women to rise to the top they need to learn how to please men. The only way a female director can truly WIN is when she makes a movie centered around women.

Oh and I did see THL great movie by the way!



It’s nearly unavoidable, because 99.9% of the articles I’ve read on the web about the award show mentions Bigelow and Cameron’s former marriage. Therefore other people reading about the historic event that took place during the 82nd Annual Academy Awards will come across the same exact thing. As a result people will remember Bigelow for being the first woman to win an Oscar for directing and beating her ex-husband Cameron at the same time. :hehe:

:doh::doh::doh::doh:
 
it sucks how the oscars did a horror tribute yet they never even nominate anyyy horror movies ever....

...thats like some nazi soldier award show paying tribute to jews.. lol

no wonder why Ben stiller said the show was "Hitler heavy" :hehe:
 
are you kidding me? a good movie is a good movie regardless of what its centered around. all you apparently see are genders, which is a shame that you feel her merits are based on them.

she is an oscar winner because she's a good director, not because she's a man or a woman

Exactly. Her being Cameron's ex is a footnote, not a major part of the award.

And when you think about it....Cameron won it for what many consider the biggest 'chick flick' of all time. Bigelow made a war movie. :up:
 
You nailed it perfectly Zeus Iceman. It shouldn't matter what sex or race you are as long as you can create a great film most. My exceptions would be the race specific historical films like Schindler's List and the upcoming MLK biopic.
No. That's also bulls**t.
 
Exactly. Her being Cameron's ex is a footnote, not a major part of the award.

And when you think about it....Cameron won it for what many consider the biggest 'chick flick' of all time. Bigelow made a war movie. :up:



Lol , so true.
 
Cameron must be seething with rage that his Ferngully remake only won two technical awards and was beaten by a relative newcomer AND his ex who made a moving war movie

OSCAR BURN!
 
It doesn't count? That...doesn't make sense. At all.

You claim this because she directed a movie about men? While that may be the first movie directed by a woman to win, I would argue it disspells the rather sexist notion that women can only direct movies about other women in romantic comedies or overwrought dramas. Look at past nominees, they all directed romantic period pieces. The Piano is a terrible movie about female angst in the 19th century. But it played into the idea that women can only direct movies about women in what are usually considered feminine topics.

Bigelow makes movies that prove all those clichés wrong. She can make movies that appeal to all audiences, have male protagonists (as well as female protagonists) without becoming schmultzy or obsessing over her male lead's rear ends (which is a stupid film critic theory about how women can only shoot their male leads by objectifying them).

Bigelow made a tight-as-nails war movie, probably the best since Blackk Hawk Down. And she did it her way.

Which managed to win awards for best original screenplay, best actress and best supporting actress. If a viewer can’t identify with the character or get drawn into a movie about a female protagonist, I wouldn’t dismiss it as being terrible. Obviously the academy didn’t think it was terrible, it just wasn’t your kind of movie.

So in your case movies about women appeal only to women and movies about men can appeal to all audiences. Therefore you think movies about men are far more interesting than movies about women.

Are u serious about this? :huh: i dont mean to be rude, but that seems extremely narrow minded and discriminatory. Women shouldnt be limited to making female-centric movies in order to be recognized. If a woman makes a damned good movie, it shouldnt matter if it's male centric or female centric. If ur gonna apply this "concept" to women, then ur gonna have to do it with the men too. Men who make female-centric movies and get nominated for awards and win shouldnt count. :dry: :doh:

Sorry, i just disagree with ur idea so much i cant even see straight :hehe:

On the contrary Hollywood is extremely narrow minded and discriminatory not the viewers, because most of the stories being told are about men. Therefore I think female directors have a responsibility to make good movies about women. Women deal with double standards in the motion picture industry, because it’s much harder for women to make movies that appeals to all audiences when the majority of good parts are given to men.

That doesn’t apply to men, because they dominate the industry. Men do the nominating and men give out the awards to any film they choose. They make all the rules and can change them as they please such as nominating 10 movies for best picture instead of the usual 5 this time around.

are you kidding me? a good movie is a good movie regardless of what its centered around. all you apparently see are genders, which is a shame that you feel her merits are based on them.

she is an oscar winner because she's a good director, not because she's a man or a woman

My point is that in order for a woman to FINALLY win top honors she MUST tell stories about men. So what does that say to all the aspiring female filmmakers out there. Simple create MORE stories about men to appeal to male audiences. Why can’t a woman carve her own place in Hollywood? Bigelow was just copying what the boys do nothing more nothing less.

As a result guys usually have it much easier, because the majority of films are written, directed, and produced by men. It’s an old boys club and women aren‘t given many opportunities to succeed behind the scenes. I highly doubt Bigelow’s win will open doors for more female filmmakers in the future and I predict there will be a huge gap in the coming years when people will see another woman win top honors at the Oscars.

What? It's not Bigelow's job to champion the cause for women just because she happens to be one. She just need to keep making good films regardless of whether men or women are prominent in them. Her win counts equally to all the other wins.

Then her historic win becomes a lost cause and women are back at square one. She at least could’ve mentioned something about being a female filmmaker during her acceptance speech. I feel as if women will never amount to anything unless they make something for the MEN in Hollywood.
 
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I'd like to suggest people ignore san15's comments regarding Bigelow's Oscar win.
 
No. That's also bulls**t.

Believe me, I personally don't care who directs a film as long as its good, but I can't say anything for anyone else. I mean I believe that if anyone who's not black directs the MLK biopic, there will be uproar. There was one for Malcolm X, and it could be even worse for MLK.
 
I can sorta see where san15's posts are going.

Although i don't agree with his post that Bigelow made a movie for the win , hence her award.

As is the case with many ethnic directors , many ( maybe the majority...) female directors tend to choose materials they identity with on a personal level. Look at indian directors like Gurinder Chaha , Deepa Mehta or Mira Nair who primary focus on indian movies and/or movies dealing with (indian) women.
They work within their "comfort" zone and produce good movies.

Even guys like Lee Daniels or Spike Lee focus have a more african american influence in their movies. Lee does diversy from time to time ( 25th hour , inside man) but you get my point.

The difference with someone like Bigelow is that she breaks away from the tradition of female directors and is competiting with the big guys in terms of making movies for a broad audience. I am willing to go so far to say that Bigelow is the only female director in the world who can make excellent action movies. Not only that but unlike previous Iraq themed movies which were more about the morals of war , Hurt Locker is more about a movie where soldiers are just doing their job. Bigelow doesn't make artsy fartsy movies nor does she make movies dealing with the problems of what women face in the world . Nor does she make chick flicks .
And i think ultimately that is why she won the oscar.
 
Also i don't see why Cameron should be pissed that he lost the oscars. He has publicely said that he didn't want the Best Director Oscar since he already got one and was hoping that those who would've voted for him , vote for Bigelow. The oscar he wanted to win was the Best film oscar since he felt that THAT particular is an award for the entire team.
The ex wife comments are also BS. It would've been different if they parted ways like Cameron did with Linda Hamilton. But Cameron and Bigelow have always been on good terms and Cameron has also has helped Bigelow in the past with her movies. So to see her winning would've actually made the guy happy . NOt only that but if you look at the predictions of several websites , many listed Bigelow as a clear favorite for the best dir. oscar but they were split beween avatar hurt locker for best picture.

Why do people think that he;s left fuming when he already broke records with Titanic. This isn't Eddie Murphy who specifically took the role in Dreamgirls to win an oscar and when he lost he left the oscars before it ended. Cameron didn't make Avatar an oscar ****e movie just as Bigelow didn't make Hurt Locker a oscar ****e movie.
 
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Cameron must be seething with rage that his Ferngully remake only won two technical awards and was beaten by a relative newcomer AND his ex who made a moving war movie

OSCAR BURN!

And one of those technical wins (cinematography) was undeserved!
 
I do see san's point in that it is still very hard for women to break through as directors when they are telling FEMALE stories. The notable exceptions being Nancy Meyers and Jane Campion, of course, and I don't think either of them have ever been nominated for BD (could be wrong. Was Campion nominated for the Piano?). It's very hard to have really good stories made about complicated and engaging female protagonists made, and even harder if it's a female behind the scenes trying to get it done. The same is true with minorities and GBLT stories to an extent.

But I don't think that in anyway diminishes Bigelow's win. She made a great picture. I think for once the Academy actually choose a film that deserved it and will stand the test of time as one of the best war films of the decade and a interesting look into the Iraq War. She deserves all the accolades she has gotten.

And really, are people seriously so amazed that a woman made a great action flick? Women are also politicians and CEO's now. This really shouldn't be such a shock.

Entertainment is always gonna be a male dominated industry, that's just how it is. When a chick(that's right, I said a chick) does do something successful, suddenly it's out of the dudes' comfort zone.

What I hope her win does is change this. The doors need to open, and we need to get more directors and creative people in from all over the spectrum.
 
FOR SURE!!!!... i couldnt believe they won that one..

vs harry potter and inglourious basterds?? wth
 
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Which managed to win awards for best original screenplay, best actress and best supporting actress. If a viewer can’t identify with the character or get drawn into a movie about a female protagonist, I wouldn’t dismiss it as being terrible. Obviously the academy didn’t think it was terrible, it just wasn’t your kind of movie.

So in your case movies about women appeal only to women and movies about men can appeal to all audiences. Therefore you think movies about men are far more interesting than movies about women.

Woah there, buddy. I never said that and I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I thought you were a sexist, but now i see your a misguided feminist. I do not appreciate the insuation that I dislike movies with female protagonists, because I didn't care for The Piano and thought it was a bad movie. I am a strong opponent of classifying any film as a "chick flick" or a "woman's picture." Many of my favorite films are told from feminine perspectives and dealing with double standards, whether they turn sexism in an inherent film movement on its head, such as "Gilda" (a movie written and produced by women that putt the film noir subgenre on its head and scared Bogart away as he saw it as a "Woman's Picture") to something like "My Fair Lady" that cleverly uses a musical that turns self-congratulatory Victorian men cliches on their head. There are many great films dealing with female protagonists whether in a "male genre" (as you apparently narrow it down to) such as "Silence of the Lambs," to films that directly tackle inequality, such as "Rachel Getting Married" (one of my favorites of 2008). But because I called The Piano bad, I'm a sexist? :whatever:

On the contrary Hollywood is extremely narrow minded and discriminatory not the viewers, because most of the stories being told are about men. Therefore I think female directors have a responsibility to make good movies about women. Women deal with double standards in the motion picture industry, because it’s much harder for women to make movies that appeals to all audiences when the majority of good parts are given to men.

That doesn’t apply to men, because they dominate the industry. Men do the nominating and men give out the awards to any film they choose. They make all the rules and can change them as they please such as nominating 10 movies for best picture instead of the usual 5 this time around.

I agree that men dominate the industry and there is an unfair double standard for women auteurs. Most films focus on men from Hollywood and actresses, especially those over 40 or 50, have limited work to choose from. However, the suggestion that all women directors and artists are morally responsible to make films only about women and their perspectives is hopelessly misguidied and simplified. Bigelow has only a responsibility to make movies that she wants to make and appeal to her artistic muses and inclinations.

You blindly write off her film, because it doesn't fit your narrow definition of a movie made by a woman. She is only allowed to be defined by her sex according to you, because she is a woman. Basically, in an attempt to create equality, you force a double standard that already exists in Hollywood. Men are allowed to make movies on anything they want (whether it is focused mostly on men or occasionally on women) and women are restricted or confined to make movies only about women. You are defining everything by gender and limiting the creative impulses or abilities of women directors in a sense of self-righteous segregation based solely on gender.

By your logic, "It's Complicated" is more legitimately a woman's film and made by a real (or at least superior) female director, because it fits the Hollywood cliché and your own. It is a movie made by a woman (Nancy Meyers) about a woman (Meryl Streep) dealing with divorce and suffering from the wife's perspective in a contrived romantic triangle and a revenge fantasy on ex-husbands. Is it a good movie? Not really. But as it deals with women's angst and stars a woman it must be a more legitimate movie than Bigelow's war film about men.

That is really sexist or naive, I hate to say.

Then her historic win becomes a lost cause and women are back at square one. She at least could’ve mentioned something about being a female filmmaker during her acceptance speech. I feel as if women will never amount to anything unless they make something for the MEN in Hollywood.

I personally think it was far classier to not talk about being a woman. If she spent her speech on preaching about sexism in Hollywood and hoping she broke a glass ceilling, she would suck the air out of the award and turn it into a political Oscar. She's a director, not an activist. She won because she was the best, or at least the Academy liked her work the best. She would have played into that icky use of "I am Woman, Here me Roar!" that played her off the stage if she turned her Oscar political. She let the work speak for itself, which progresses womens' role in Hollywood much further.
 
I personally think it was far classier to not talk about being a woman. If she spent her speech on preaching about sexism in Hollywood and hoping she broke a glass ceilling, she would suck the air out of the award and turn it into a political Oscar. She's a director, not an activist. She won because she was the best, or at least the Academy liked her work the best. She would have played into that icky use of "I am Woman, Here me Roar!" that played her off the stage if she turned her Oscar political. She let the work speak for itself, which progresses womens' role in Hollywood much further.

Ugh, that was so tacky when they did that. :cmad:

Excellent points, as usual. :up:
 
I didn't really pay attention to "I am woman, hear me roar!" song. I didn't catch that.
 

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