82nd Annual Academy Awards

Being humble about the win as Bigelow has, rather than making a big issue of the politics is going to have far more effect in normalising women winning big awards & being recognised for ability irrespective of gender. Alternatively, Monique's Oscar win was kind of ruined as soon as she opened her mouth for her speech not to mention that awful woman who hijacked another guy's speech saying "let a woman talk". :down :csad:
 
Monique speech for her Golden Globes win was so much better than her speech at the Oscars. What happened?
 
I don't think simply by making a political statement it ruined her speech. Mo'nique's was still fairly dignified and I think she made a fair point without going too far off base.

These are political and relevant issues. Some people will choose to discuss them and some won't. That's what choice is about. Mo'nique chose to and I thought she did so in an appropriate manner.
 
"Sometimes you have to forgo doing what's popular in order to do what's right."

The **** does that even mean? The only unpopular thing she's ever done is not shave her legs. Ew.
 
"Sometimes you have to forgo doing what's popular in order to do what's right."

The **** does that even mean? The only unpopular thing she's ever done is not shave her legs. Ew.

She was referring to the fact that she didn't do any campaigning for her Oscar.
 
mmmmm wonder why avatar didnt take best pic?

Because it sucked.

Well now we can wipe away the crappy year for film that 2009 was.

Thank God.

It wasn't that bad. ST, Watchmen etc.

Expendables for best picture 2010!

"our" money?

Here here, Cameron didn't make a cent out of me for Abadah.

I thought the worst part of that montage was they thought it was a good idea for castmates of the Twilight movie to introduce it, and they had the nerve to actually say "the genre has unfortunately not received Academy recognition since the 70s".

Especially when Silence of the Lambs came out in 1991. Stupid Twilight kids...

Twilight's inclusion really pissed me off. They arent horror.

They're pretty horrific to me.

Hmmm... hotter old chick, Bigelow or Helen Mirren?

Bigelow easily.
 
it sucks how the oscars did a horror tribute yet they never even nominate anyyy horror movies ever....

...thats like some nazi soldier award show paying tribute to jews.. lol

The Exorcist was nominated for Best Picture and several other awards.
 
Woah there, buddy. I never said that and I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I thought you were a sexist, but now i see your a misguided feminist. I do not appreciate the insuation that I dislike movies with female protagonists, because I didn't care for The Piano and thought it was a bad movie. I am a strong opponent of classifying any film as a "chick flick" or a "woman's picture." Many of my favorite films are told from feminine perspectives and dealing with double standards, whether they turn sexism in an inherent film movement on its head, such as "Gilda" (a movie written and produced by women that putt the film noir subgenre on its head and scared Bogart away as he saw it as a "Woman's Picture") to something like "My Fair Lady" that cleverly uses a musical that turns self-congratulatory Victorian men cliches on their head. There are many great films dealing with female protagonists whether in a "male genre" (as you apparently narrow it down to) such as "Silence of the Lambs," to films that directly tackle inequality, such as "Rachel Getting Married" (one of my favorites of 2008). But because I called The Piano bad, I'm a sexist? :whatever:

Men, women and children watch movies through men’s eyes. Based on this fact it indicates that people in general are seeing the world through men’s eyes with stories usually about men. So pardon me for wanting female directors making movies about women from a female perspective as opposed to seeing female directors making movies about men. If all female directors only focus on making good movies regardless of the main character’s gender, then women still have a long road ahead of them, thus not much happens in the future. In the coming years there may be an increase in female directors, but women will still tell stories about men in order to appeal to a broad audience. They may even win several different awards throughout their career by just telling more stories about men.

Some of your favorites films are told through feminine perspectives, but you think “The Piano” is a bad film and haven‘t really explained why you dislike it so much other than having female angst. Therefore I can only jump into conclusions about your terrible viewing experience with the movie. What particular aspect of the movie was terrible? Was it the writing, directing, acting, cinematography or did it have a dull story? If the story wasn’t your cup of tea then I wouldn’t call it bad. You just didn’t find it interesting that’s all.

I agree that men dominate the industry and there is an unfair double standard for women auteurs. Most films focus on men from Hollywood and actresses, especially those over 40 or 50, have limited work to choose from. However, the suggestion that all women directors and artists are morally responsible to make films only about women and their perspectives is hopelessly misguidied and simplified. Bigelow has only a responsibility to make movies that she wants to make and appeal to her artistic muses and inclinations.

I think people will look back at the 82nd academy awards and assume that particular night will forever change the industry, but sooner or later he or she will realize that Bigelow’s win was just a contribution for women in cinema and not a progression for women in general. Female directors only make up less than 10 % in Hollywood, thus women still face an uphill battle. If the majority of female directors FOCUS on making movies about women, they can have a bigger impact in the industry.

You blindly write off her film, because it doesn't fit your narrow definition of a movie made by a woman. She is only allowed to be defined by her sex according to you, because she is a woman. Basically, in an attempt to create equality, you force a double standard that already exists in Hollywood. Men are allowed to make movies on anything they want (whether it is focused mostly on men or occasionally on women) and women are restricted or confined to make movies only about women. You are defining everything by gender and limiting the creative impulses or abilities of women directors in a sense of self-righteous segregation based solely on gender.

Isn’t it a coincidence that Bigelow became the first woman to win an academy award for best director by making a movie centered around men as opposed to women. If that’s her comfort zone then more power to her, but she definitely had a far better chance of succeeding in the industry when women tell stories about men. So basically I’m not forcing a double standard on women just because I feel they should try and create more stories about their own gender regardless of the movie genre.



By your logic, "It's Complicated" is more legitimately a woman's film and made by a real (or at least superior) female director, because it fits the Hollywood cliché and your own. It is a movie made by a woman (Nancy Meyers) about a woman (Meryl Streep) dealing with divorce and suffering from the wife's perspective in a contrived romantic triangle and a revenge fantasy on ex-husbands. Is it a good movie? Not really. But as it deals with women's angst and stars a woman it must be a more legitimate movie than Bigelow's war film about men.

That is really sexist or naive, I hate to say.

What makes you think that my logic of a woman's film are only classified as romantic comedies directed by a woman? I haven’t mentioned any particular female-centric movies. Therefore you're putting words in my mouth by declaring that my logic of female-centric automatically means romantic comedies dealing with some form of female angst, which fits with my clichés of a woman's film perfectly.

You're just using an established female director like Nancy Meyers who is best known for making romantic comedies as an example of what you think my female-centric movies are about. My definition of female-centric movies are usually dramas about female driven stories, which revolves around a woman or a group of women that drives the narrative forward such as “Marked Woman” or “Imitation of Life” which aren’t romantic comedies.
 
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She was referring to the fact that she didn't do any campaigning for her Oscar.

that makes more sense than what i thought.

i thought she had meant because so many people didn't want her for the part cuz she's a comedian
 
Even though she didn't give an award worthy performance, I'm glad she didn't campaign for it. No actor should have to, if it's really about the art...which of course it isn't.
 
However, I still wish more black directors would be able to create blockbuster films and do more than "black family struggle" or inner city films.

Well black directors do make other types of films besides the ones you listed.
 
I understand but there's still a lack of opportunities for black directors to do tentpole films or potential blockbusters. There are many black directors that aren't given opportunites to do things other than urban films or comedies.
 
Im gonna go Mirren.
Over Bigelow? :dry: ... well to each his own but Bigelow could actually pass for someone in her early 40s. Helen Mirren looks kind of old to me...but I guess some people actually like that.
 
Mo'nique chose to and I thought she did so in an appropriate manner.
So the appropriate manner is to make it look like all the other nominees suck and the only reason they were nominated was because they were white and bought their noms?


Yeah ****ing right.
 
Men, women and children watch movies through men’s eyes. Based on this fact it indicates that people in general are seeing the world through men’s eyes with stories usually about men. So pardon me for wanting female directors making movies about women from a female perspective as opposed to seeing female directors making movies about men. If all female directors only focus on making good movies regardless of the main character’s gender, then women still have a long road ahead of them, thus not much happens in the future. In the coming years there may be an increase in female directors, but women will still tell stories about men in order to appeal to a broad audience. They may even win several different awards throughout their career by just telling more stories about men.

Some of your favorites films are told through feminine perspectives, but you think “The Piano” is a bad film and haven‘t really explained why you dislike it so much other than having female angst. Therefore I can only jump into conclusions about your terrible viewing experience with the movie. What particular aspect of the movie was terrible? Was it the writing, directing, acting, cinematography or did it have a dull story? If the story wasn’t your cup of tea then I wouldn’t call it bad. You just didn’t find it interesting that’s all.



I think people will look back at the 82nd academy awards and assume that particular night will forever change the industry, but sooner or later he or she will realize that Bigelow’s win was just a contribution for women in cinema and not a progression for women in general. Female directors only make up less than 10 % in Hollywood, thus women still face an uphill battle. If the majority of female directors FOCUS on making movies about women, they can have a bigger impact in the industry.



Isn’t it a coincidence that Bigelow became the first woman to win an academy award for best director by making a movie centered around men as opposed to women. If that’s her comfort zone then more power to her, but she definitely had a far better chance of succeeding in the industry when women tell stories about men. So basically I’m not forcing a double standard on women just because I feel they should try and create more stories about their own gender regardless of the movie genre.





What makes you think that my logic of a woman's film are only classified as romantic comedies directed by a woman? I haven’t mentioned any particular female-centric movies. Therefore you're putting words in my mouth by declaring that my logic of female-centric automatically means romantic comedies dealing with some form of female angst, which fits with my clichés of a woman's film perfectly.

You're just using an established female director like Nancy Meyers who is best known for making romantic comedies as an example of what you think my female-centric movies are about. My definition of female-centric movies are usually dramas about female driven stories, which revolves around a woman or a group of women that drives the narrative forward such as “Marked Woman” or “Imitation of Life” which aren’t romantic comedies.

I didn't care for The Piano because I thought it was very artificially contrived and awards baitish. Shots of Harvey Keitel polishing the piano naked from the waste down are meant to be artistic, but I found them pretentious and I thought the arbitrary nature of the plot about the creepy husband leaving the piano and her not speaking until she wants to get rid of the piano and pushing it out of the boat and almost drowning herself (but deciding not to after a slow motion image of her literally drowning) just felt very...pretentiously meh to me. Nothing about it had to do because it was told from a woman's perspective.

I understand what you're saying but I do not think women should be defined by their sex. Because they are women, you suggest all women directors are morally obligated to make movies, but I think they are only obligated to their interests. I don't think Bigelow made THL to make a box office hit or Oscar winner. She wanted to do a movie about the horrors of the Iraq war without being overtly political and she wanted to make it her way. She did and it was a great movie.

She is not a feminist activist and prefers to stay away from gender politics. I would rather as an artist she does what moves her and not let her be defined by her gender. If she made movies only about women that is exactly what she is doing. Male artists explore the subjects they want, but women are regulated to being spokeswomen for their sex? That defines them by their gender first and their profession or auteurship second.

I used "It's Complicated," because it was the other movie that got critical and award notice by a female director this winter. I could have just as easily used Ephron's "Julie & Julia," which to be fair is a delightful movie. Those were the other two big female directed films of 2009. That is why I used them and again by your logic (not saying you want romantic comedies), they are more authentically authored by women, because their protagonists are women. I reject that idea. And the fact that one of the two is a straight romantic comedy I think illustrates a problem in Hollywood. Bigelow has made movies about women to and they were not romantic.

My basic point is (besides The Piano being not very good ;) ) is that Bigelow should be defined by her skill and work first and her gender...not even second. If she must become political and make movies only about women she cheats herself and discredits female directors, IMO. You are deligitimizing her win and I find it as counterproductive as the musical choice played when she walked off the stage. I hope I explained my opinion better.
 
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I understand but there's still a lack of opportunities for black directors to do tentpole films or potential blockbusters. There are many black directors that aren't given opportunites to do things other than urban films or comedies.

Indeed.
 
Because it sucked.

Here here, Cameron didn't make a cent out of me for Abadah.

How did it suck if you never watched it?

I understand but there's still a lack of opportunities for black directors to do tentpole films or potential blockbusters. There are many black directors that aren't given opportunites to do things other than urban films or comedies.

If you want you can always blame Tyler Perry and what's his face that directed the two Fantastic Four films. You have Tyler Perry setting the black population back by using annoying stereotypes in his films(I'm white by the way)and then what's his face gets to make two blockbuster action type films and fumbles the ball because he has little to no vision and just sucks overall.


So the appropriate manner is to make it look like all the other nominees suck and the only reason they were nominated was because they were white and bought their noms?


Yeah ****ing right.

:applaud

It's sad too because the movie was basically a theatrical version of an afternoon special. Someone with a ****** life overcoming their hurdles. I don't think Avatar deserved to be nominated for best pic but wtf is up with people when they give it **** for having an unoriginal story(which it did), yet Precious's story has been done to death as well but no one brings up that fact.
 
It's sad too because the movie was basically a theatrical version of an afternoon special. Someone with a ****** life overcoming their hurdles. I don't think Avatar deserved to be nominated for best pic but wtf is up with people when they give it **** for having an unoriginal story(which it did), yet Precious's story has been done to death as well but no one brings up that fact.
I think it was that Avatar was pushed as completely new... whereas Precious was pushed by Oprah. So everyone knew it was going to be overly melodramatic and filled with cliches to make people cry. And it's a shame that tragedy porn won an oscar for writing...
 
How did it suck if you never watched it?



If you want you can always blame Tyler Perry and what's his face that directed the two Fantastic Four films. You have Tyler Perry setting the black population back by using annoying stereotypes in his films (I'm white by the way) and then what's his face gets to make two blockbuster action type films and fumbles the ball because he has little to no vision and just sucks overall.




:applaud

It's sad too because the movie was basically a theatrical version of an afternoon special. Someone with a ****** life overcoming their hurdles. I don't think Avatar deserved to be nominated for best pic but wtf is up with people when they give it **** for having an unoriginal story(which it did), yet Precious's story has been done to death as well but no one brings up that fact.

You didn't really need to say that you were white, but you pretty much nailed it. I hate Tyler Perry films and his tv shows are even worse. Worse enough, most of my family loves his work. I just hope Hollywood eventually realizes there are many black filmmakers out there with a vision and dream to do something original.

I didn't see Precious because I didn't want to see it. I know what happens and it has been done to death. However there is a reason these films were nominated.

People can deny it all they want, but 2009 was an incredibly weak year for film, especially compared to 2008 and the monster year that was 2007. This was due to the writer's strike and we all finally felt the effects of it.
 
So the appropriate manner is to make it look like all the other nominees suck and the only reason they were nominated was because they were white and bought their noms?


Yeah ****ing right.

Heh. Wow. You really got all of that out of her speech, huh? :whatever:
 

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