A defensive approach to X-Men 3 (SPOILERS)

[Matt]

I was watching the trailer today, while seeing MI:3, and I must admit...I was blown away as I watched Magneto lead his army up against the X-men. It looked fantastic. When Wolverine was telling Iceman about war, and the chance of them not coming back, I felt blown away by the sense of urgency.

Lately a lot of people have been complaining that the movie is too short to develop characters and the plot will be lacking with all of the action sequences...and I am going to say.......So what?

We have had two movies that took character development to the extreme. We never got to see a full out mutant war. We got to see Wolverine kicking someone's ass. I am beginning to look at X3 as the climax to a one part story. X1 and X2 built up the characters well enough, that I do not need character development in X3 to care about them. I already do become of its predecessors. This is the final chapter of a three part story...and it is going to be the climax. There will be action...there will be death...there will be less plot...but basic story telling usually does have the third act focus less on plot and more on the payoff. That is exactly what X3 will give us...a payoff from what was developed in the first two. I personally can't wait.

 

[Spider-Man™]

Well said, i can't wait either.

 

[Sunstar]

Where are the spoilers?lol

 

[Aiden]

I know, I posted this in the Family Ties thread, the more I've thought about the runtime, the more I've thought 'Who cares?'

I still think this will be the best of the bunch

 

[tonytr1687]

I was watching the trailer today, while seeing MI:3, and I must admit...I was blown away as I watched Magneto lead his army up against the X-men. It looked fantastic. When Wolverine was telling Iceman about war, and the chance of them not coming back, I felt blown away by the sense of urgency.

Lately a lot of people have been complaining that the movie is too short to develop characters and the plot will be lacking with all of the action sequences...and I am going to say.......So what?

We have had two movies that took character development to the extreme. We never got to see a full out mutant war. We got to see Wolverine kicking someone's ass. I am beginning to look at X3 as the climax to a one part story. X1 and X2 built up the characters well enough, that I do not need character development in X3 to care about them. I already do become of its predecessors. This is the final chapter of a three part story...and it is going to be the climax. There will be action...there will be death...there will be less plot...but basic story telling usually does have the third act focus less on plot and more on the payoff. That is exactly what X3 will give us...a payoff from what was developed in the first two. I personally can't wait.

The problem is Storm and Cyclops are still underdeveloped. Iceman and Pyro still need a little more. And then there's four major new characters that need quality time to develop: Beast, Angel, Kitty, Juggernaut. Not to mention they gotta tell us at least something about Callisto and Multiple Man and Leech, and then theres all the human characters like Angel's father, Dr. Rao, and Moira who we know are more than cameos.

 

[Iceman]

I was watching the trailer today, while seeing MI:3, and I must admit...I was blown away as I watched Magneto lead his army up against the X-men. It looked fantastic. When Wolverine was telling Iceman about war, and the chance of them not coming back, I felt blown away by the sense of urgency.

Lately a lot of people have been complaining that the movie is too short to develop characters and the plot will be lacking with all of the action sequences...and I am going to say.......So what?

We have had two movies that took character development to the extreme. We never got to see a full out mutant war. We got to see Wolverine kicking someone's ass. I am beginning to look at X3 as the climax to a one part story. X1 and X2 built up the characters well enough, that I do not need character development in X3 to care about them. I already do become of its predecessors. This is the final chapter of a three part story...and it is going to be the climax. There will be action...there will be death...there will be less plot...but basic story telling usually does have the third act focus less on plot and more on the payoff. That is exactly what X3 will give us...a payoff from what was developed in the first two. I personally can't wait.

I agree with some of that although new characters will still need development. X3 is definitely a payoff film and it can be great whatever the runtime. However, as fans, most people here want as much as possible of a good thing.

 

[ShakiraRocks]

Wait, We Have A Running Time Confirmed????????????

 

[Aiden]

Pretty much

 

[ShakiraRocks]

WHERE? I CAN'T FIND IT ON THE BOARDS ANYWHERE?? Can you link me and tell me how long purrty please??

 

[Mic]

I kid you not!

 

[Matt]

I agree with some of that although new characters will still need development. X3 is definitely a payoff film and it can be great whatever the runtime. However, as fans, most people here want as much as possible of a good thing.

Many of the new characters (Mutlipleman, Leech, Callisto) are just random soldiers. Their job is to have powers, and fight. The great thing about X-men is you don't have to explain powers. Every character has the same origin story in regard to their powers. They are mutants. Do you need a back story of a soldier dying on the beach in Saving Private Ryan? Of course not. We as fans take offense to this...but the fact is, the known movie members of the brotherhood vs the known movie members of the x-men wouldn't make a very good climax for the series. They needed fillers. People like Multipleman, Leech, Callisto are pretty much glorified cameos. Even Juggernaught to an extent. He is there to be Magneto's muscle. Thats about it...just as Collossus is ther to be the muscle of the X-men.

As for Cyclops and Storm being underdeveloped....well...Storm seems to be getting more time in this one...and Cyclops...well...that was Singer's mistake...and its just too late to clean up that mess. Just gotta cut your losses and accept reality.

 

[Maze]

I was watching the trailer today, while seeing MI:3, and I must admit...I was blown away as I watched Magneto lead his army up against the X-men. It looked fantastic. When Wolverine was telling Iceman about war, and the chance of them not coming back, I felt blown away by the sense of urgency.

Lately a lot of people have been complaining that the movie is too short to develop characters and the plot will be lacking with all of the action sequences...and I am going to say.......So what?

We have had two movies that took character development to the extreme. We never got to see a full out mutant war. We got to see Wolverine kicking someone's ass. I am beginning to look at X3 as the climax to a one part story. X1 and X2 built up the characters well enough, that I do not need character development in X3 to care about them. I already do become of its predecessors. This is the final chapter of a three part story...and it is going to be the climax. There will be action...there will be death...there will be less plot...but basic story telling usually does have the third act focus less on plot and more on the payoff. That is exactly what X3 will give us...a payoff from what was developed in the first two. I personally can't wait.

i don't agree... some characters well well develloped..but to the extreme? i could say that of Magnolia, of Once upon a time in America , but not X1 or X2...

Even more you say that we don't need character devellopement to care about them..fair enough..but what about not devoting enough time to the issue that they are facing? ( Kinberg and Penn have said that they will gave almost everybody a point of view about the cure..you need time for that)
If there was not a new MAJOR plot point ( the cure)and instead something more random like magneto striking with bombing a la Ultimate Xmen , i would had nothing against the payoff that you are talking about..

what about not giving enough time to how now they live with the idea that one of them is dead, that Scott is not the guy that he was?

what about the same people reacting to the return of same Jean Grey from the dead and her becoming evil?

What about her inner conflict , her transformation?

What about new character like Angel , Beast and some others ( discounting the like of Juggernaut , and callisto)

and those are just examples among others..

sure you can make all that work in a short amount of time ..but with depht?with room for the story to breath ,for the character to live and hence build to a great and intense climax?

i don't think so .. or Kinberg and Penn and Ratner are going to make movie history..

One has to look at movie history to be sure about that..

 

[ShakiraRocks]

anyone tell me please?

 

[WorthyStevens]

As for Cyclops and Storm being underdeveloped....well...Storm seems to be getting more time in this one...and Cyclops...well...that was Singer's mistake...and its just too late to clean up that mess. Just gotta cut your losses and accept reality.

.

 

[Matt]

i don't agree... some characters well well develloped..but to the extreme? i could say that of Magnolia, of Once upon a time in America , but not X1 or X2...

Even more you say that we don't need character devellopement to care about them..fair enough..but what about not devoting enough time to the issue that they are facing? ( Kinberg and Penn have said that they will gave almost everybody a point of view about the cure..you need time for that)
If there was not a new MAJOR plot point ( the cure)and instead something more random like magneto striking with bombing a la Ultimate Xmen , i would had nothing against the payoff that you are talking about..

what about not giving enough time to how now they live with the idea that one of them is dead, that Scott is not the guy that he was?

what about the same people reacting to the return of same Jean Grey from the dead and her becoming evil?

What about her inner conflict , her transformation?

What about new character like Angel , Beast and some others ( discounting the like of Juggernaut , and callisto)

and those are just examples among others..

sure you can make all that work in a short amount of time ..but with depht?with room for the story to breath ,for the character to live and hence build to a great and intense climax?

i don't think so .. or Kinberg and Penn and Ratner are going to make movie history..

One has to look at movie history to be sure about that..

I'm sure there will be depth, but like I said, the last two movies focused on depth a bit too much. New characters are pretty much there as fillers. It was a necessary evil if you are going to do a war between the X-men and Magneto. Jeans innerstruggle was shown quite a bit in the preview alone, I'm sure the movie will show it. There seems to be depth...but you also have to understand, its the climax.

 

[Maze]

ps:

About cyclops

No that was not Singer mistake.

Singer had to cut a lot because of Fox rushing his movies..because a lot of his scenes were incomplete , and a lot doesn't made any sense..

Storm is another matter..but,without any proof to back it, i admit, i hear that he didn't wan't Halle Berry in the title role at first..

Now even ,if the early Solomon draft Storm was one of the few characters, imo, who was not really interesting ,in not having any arc, she would have without doubt gained to be played by somebody with more presence..(and i like Halle Berry ..she just not have" it" imo ..but we never know , maybe that is going to change there..)

 

[Matt]

Where are the spoilers?lol

Well, I originally intended to talk about people *****ing about

Spoiler

cyclops dying

but I got lazy

 

[Maze]

I'm sure there will be depth, but like I said, the last two movies focused on depth a bit too much. New characters are pretty much there as fillers. It was a necessary evil if you are going to do a war between the X-men and Magneto. Jeans innerstruggle was shown quite a bit in the preview alone, I'm sure the movie will show it. There seems to be depth...but you also have to understand, its the climax.

i understand it's the climax , but i stand on all my points, sorry.

 

[Matt]

ps:

About cyclops

No that was not Singer mistake.

Singer had to cut a lot because of Fox rushing his movies..because a lot of his scenes were incomplete , and a lot doesn't made any sense..

Storm is another matter..but,without any proof to back it, i admit, i hear that he didn't wan't Halle Berry in the title role at first..

Now even if the early Solomon draft Storm was one of the few characters imo who was not really interesting ,in not having any arc, she would have without doubt gained to be played by somebody with more presence..(and i like Halle Berry ..she just not have" it" imo ..but we never know , maybe that is going to change there..)

It was Singer's fault. Even having to cut a lot...he still made the final call to marginalize the hell out of Cyke. Look at X1...can you really see more of a role for him? Look at X2...he keeps him locked in a cell the whole movie. I get that Fox rushed things...but the fact is, there was never really a place for him anyway. Singer decided to make it the Wolverine movie and brush Cyclops off.

 

[tonytr1687]

ps:

About cyclops

No that was not Singer mistake.

Singer had to cut a lot because of Fox rushing his movies..because a lot of his scenes were incomplete , and a lot doesn't made any sense..

Storm is another matter..but,without any proof to back it, i admit, i hear that he didn't wan't Halle Berry in the title role at first..

Now even if the early Solomon draft Storm was one of the few characters imo who was not really interesting ,in not having any arc, she would have without doubt gained to be played by somebody with more presence..(and i like Halle Berry ..she just not have" it" imo ..but we never know , maybe that is going to change there..)

Plus its pretty obvious Singer was saving Cyclops' due for X3. Thats why he hired Jimmy for SR, to make up for the fact that he wasnt going to be able to give him his bigger part in X3 since he was now working on Supes.

 

[Matt]

i understand it's the climax , but i stand on all my point, sorry.

Good for you, being as I know how basic story telling principles work, I'll enjoy the movie. You won't. Sorry

 

[Iceman]

Many of the new characters (Mutlipleman, Leech, Callisto) are just random soldiers. Their job is to have powers, and fight. The great thing about X-men is you don't have to explain powers. Every character has the same origin story in regard to their powers. They are mutants. Do you need a back story of a soldier dying on the beach in Saving Private Ryan? Of course not. We as fans take offense to this...but the fact is, the known movie members of the brotherhood vs the known movie members of the x-men wouldn't make a very good climax for the series. They needed fillers. People like Multipleman, Leech, Callisto are pretty much glorified cameos. Even Juggernaught to an extent. He is there to be Magneto's muscle. Thats about it...just as Collossus is ther to be the muscle of the X-men.

As for Cyclops and Storm being underdeveloped....well...Storm seems to be getting more time in this one...and Cyclops...well...that was Singer's mistake...and its just too late to clean up that mess. Just gotta cut your losses and accept reality.

I agree in that I don't want time wasted on background for most of the brotherhood members (even Juggernaut - this isn't the time for it). Beast, Angel, Kitty and even Colosssus are, however, important new characters that we need to get to know fully. Cyke also needs a few poignant scenes before he dies if his death is to strike a chord whether or not he has been underdeveloped in the previous films.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

Where are the spoilers?lol

took the words out of my mouth!

 

[tonytr1687]

Good for you, being as I know how basic story telling principles work, I'll enjoy the movie. You won't. Sorry

Nice way to be condescending...

 

[Maze]

It was Singer's fault. Even having to cut a lot...he still made the final call to marginalize the hell out of Cyke. Look at X1...can you really see more of a role for him? Look at X2...he keeps him locked in a cell the whole movie. I get that Fox rushed things...but the fact is, there was never really a place for him anyway. Singer decided to make it the Wolverine movie and brush Cyclops off.

well , one have to have just one look at the cut scenes..or even more the earlier draft (that were written under Singer )..

cyclops was one of the major characters, and that made a lot of sense..

there was a place for him..