ABC's Once Upon a Time - Part 4

[Donut]

Why limit it to female roles? Lana should've been Gaston! It would've been hot.

Lana as Darth Vader in Pink

 

[Teelie]

Spoiler

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Regina will turn out to have split personality disorder. There's a magic mirror joke in there somewhere...

 

[Specter313]

It's easy to forget but this is network TV. There are reasonable restrictictions on the amount of characters that do come down to cost. Why do you think we've spent all this time in Neverland with not so much as a peak at Maine so far?

That has nothing to do with cost. One of the biggest complaints about last season was how all over the place it was, so they're doing that in an effort to streamline the storytelling and get back some of the character work that lured in viewers in the first season. Because while the show isn't doing terrible ratings, they're still down from that first season.

 

[Sawyer]

I still don't understand how people think S2 wasn't character-based.

 

[Specter313]

I still don't understand how people think S2 wasn't character-based.

I didn't have problems with it that so many others seemed to, but it definitely didn't feel as strong as season 1.

 

[Sawyer]

The second half of the season (minus the Manhattan-Welcome to Storybrooke 4-parter) weakened it considerably. The first half kept up the momentum from season 1.

 

[SuperT]

The first half of season two was fine - you're absolutely correct that it was the second half where it completely fell apart.

It just didn't have any solid focus and they tried to stuff too much into it with dealing with Cora, Nealfire, Hook's revenge, Belle losing her memory, and then they introduced Tamara and Greg.

Not to mention, everything else that was going on the the already established characters.

 

[Sawyer]

The entire Tamara/Greg storyline was just one big fumble. The way they wrote August out was just straight-up bad, and, as much as I liked the flashbacks and ending of the finale two-parter, the distribution of story there was just ****ed up. They went from "Where did Henry go?" in the mines to "We need to go to Neverland" in the span of two minutes. I love how Gold and Belle just so happened to be taking a stroll by the docks just after it happened too.

 

[NicoleZoltack]

I agree. I was especially pissed with how they wrote out August.

 

[Doc Ock]

I liked August....I don't want orange haired little boy!

 

[Sawyer]

He has a name.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I said that there would be an imminent freak out about Ursula/Regina and I was right. Just as I am right about double dipping with the villains being a cost saving measure as much as a creative decision. This is something that's been done since season one so I find the pissing and moaning about it now quite funny.

Look, I know that a lot of you grew up just loving the fabu *****iness of many a classic Disney villain, but from the start the show has gone it's own way. The horse left the barn a long time ago friends. And, yes, not having to show what's going on in Maine does free up budget for adventures in NL. The show runs on money, not Fairy Dust people. And on network tv, money is at a premium these days.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Its less nostalgia for me and more plain ass boredom i get from Regina. If they're not careful she will end up like Sue Sylvester

 

[Sawyer]

I can't believe that character even has a devoted fanbase. She's so flat-out unlikable.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Lana Parrilla Is hottest actress on show but some of these regina fans stun me.They act like all the other characters wrong her.When Henry went to new york with emma they acted liked she kidnapped him from regina.

And blaming snow white as 12 year old gold for what cora did makes regina look awful.All she did to other characters because of that.And yet she was willing to forgive her mother you know the one who actully killed her true love.

 

[Sawyer]

She's a highly irrational character and somehow her fans are even more so.

And don't even get me started on the freaks shipping her with Emma...

 

[SuperT]

Its less nostalgia for me and more plain ass boredom i get from Regina. If they're not careful she will end up like Sue Sylvester

Sue Sylvester or she, along with Rumple, will become what Sylar was like on Heroes. The writers never had any balls to kill him or remove him from the story for a bit to the point where the character just became so stale, boring and repetitive.

I could definitely see Regina and Rumple turning into that if this show goes on much longer.

 

[Sawyer]

Don't even ****ing invoke that show's name in this thread.

 

[PyroChamber]

Don't even ****ing invoke that show's name in this thread.

At least not the seasons after the first one.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Joanna Garcia confirmed nothing we didn't already know from promos/the preview clip. We don't know anything about the context.

But sure, commence Primal dropping some Lima Heights gifs and Milos acting as Regina's sole cheerleader.

I said that there would be an imminent freak out about Ursula/Regina and I was right. Just as I am right about double dipping with the villains being a cost saving measure as much as a creative decision. This is something that's been done since season one so I find the pissing and moaning about it now quite funny.

Look, I know that a lot of you grew up just loving the fabu *****iness of many a classic Disney villain, but from the start the show has gone it's own way. The horse left the barn a long time ago friends. And, yes, not having to show what's going on in Maine does free up budget for adventures in NL. The show runs on money, not Fairy Dust people. And on network tv, money is at a premium these days.

Well you didn't have to be a physic to see people flipping out by this decision. And you mean to tell me that they can introduce every princess under the sun and their princes but are to broke to introduce the villains? Seriously? They have enough money and story time to bring in Mulan/Aurora/Philip/Robin Hood for 3 episodes but some how they don't have enough money and story to let Ursula be played by someone who wasn't Regina and be her own character after those 4 are gone for the time being? Things aren't adding up to me somehow.

But hey if they want to continue to merge everything just to be simple and "cost saving" then let them and their stories and ratings continue to slide. Thank god Wonderland got it's own show or else we would have Rumple as Jafar because they wouldn't have the "money" and "story" to introduce him and it would jumble up the show to much with to many characters that they aren't using in every episode.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I just find it funny, this sense of... Offense and entitlement that is so casually thrown around here. We got people saying "It's like there are no other villains in any realms. All we have seen is Rumple and Regina." Call them out on that OBVIOUS hyperbolic statement and show that, yeah, there has been a steady continual use of other villains throughout the show since season one and you get "Well, of course I didn't mean villains of the week." Yeah... Listen, I have a gut feeling that this comes down to childhood attachements, plain and simple. Mal is cool to have as a background character and all, most would seem to be okay with the alterations with to quite a few tales but for the 90's kids, those that were children during the return to cultural significance of Disney's animated films, the emotional power of a character like Ursala looms large in the unconscious. I get that. But it's nothing the show has not done before. And sorry to drive this home again, but it's an expensive show on many levels, especially in todays television marketplace where you can put on a whole block of unscripted, low cost "Reality" shows for three hours a night during primetime and make your corporate masters very pleased as long as there is enough profit to justify the very low expenditure of putting "regular people" on tv. If every villain had been their own character it would have gotten unwieldy. For those that point to LOST... Horror of horrors, I submit that it got unwieldy with it's cast and it hurt the show in the long run. I also believe that, and yes I have no proof, the assurances from the creators and the writing crew that they could accomplish what they set out to do with the series could be done at a certain cost and unlike LOST, be a narrative that could be more easily followed is a big reason why the show exists in the first place. One of the things that assured that was keeping the cast small(ish)and nimble.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

^I apologize somewhat for the shrill tone of the above post. I let unnecessary emotion get the better of me. I stand by most of the sentiments and rationales I gave but I should have expressed them with greater tact. Again, apologies to any whom felt I went too far.

 

[Milos]

I just find it funny, this sense of... Offense and entitlement that is so casually thrown around here. We got people saying "It's like there are no other villains in any realms. All we have seen is Rumple and Regina." Call them out on that OBVIOUS hyperbolic statement and show that, yeah, there has been a steady continual use of other villains throughout the show since season one and you get "Well, of course I didn't mean villains of the week." Yeah... Listen, I have a gut feeling that this comes down to childhood attachements, plain and simple. Mal is cool to have as a background character and all, most would seem to be okay with the alterations with to quite a few tales but for the 90's kids, those that were children during the return to cultural significance of Disney's animated films, the emotional power of a character like Ursala looms large in the unconscious. I get that. But it's nothing the show has not done before.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I can't believe that character even has a devoted fanbase. She's so flat-out unlikable.

Don't get me wrong i love her for being a great badass b**** of a villain. She's a good actor and has some of the best one liners... But she's also a brat and i really don't get the sympathy for her...

I don't really get "bad guy sympathizers usually in general... There's a limit on how bad a character can be and how often they screw up and don't learn a dam thing .... Regina is in that territory now.

It reminds me of shippers of Veronica Mars and Logan as a couple. Yeah he's sweet and loves her. But my god is he a screw up and not the kinda person you really want to marry...

Sometimes fans come off like battered wives who think people just need more "love" and that someone can fix them... Nope, in reality no one can fix you... Only YOU can fix you.

Regina wants to fix herself to earn her son's love... Which sounds nice and all... But its a selfish reasoning because its "she" who wants loved. If she wanted to change it should be out of guilt, regret, and empathy for all of those she wronged. Not so she can have a person who loves her unconditionally. Until she learns this she will never be sympathetic imo