Actor Strike, divine intervention for Warner/DC?

[Orin]

Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern are easily more well known than Iron Man, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher, pretty much most of the Marvel characters other than Spider-Man, Hulk and X-Men. We must live in 2 different worlds.

Just becauce i say that a Wonder Woman, Flash or Green Lantern solo-movie could very well not do as well as the WB would aspect them to do dosn't implay that i think the characters are lesser well known then every hero marvel ever made into a film. First of all, those movies you mention had actors like Cage or Affleck in it to do the boxoffice drawing for the characters and secondly, i'm pretty sure WB wouldn't look at a Wonder Woman flick that does Elektra kind of numbers as success.

 

[Orin]

In fact, it be better IMO to not be in a JL movie because a JL movie might set to much precedent for the solo movies where they would have to work within the confines of the team movie and not act as their own solo movie.

Well, i'm all for the idea to let the solo movies play in their own, unrelated universes. Using the increased popularity of the character itself, but not be bounded to the version of the character (or the actor) that has been used for the team-up flick, you know?

As for the rest of your posting, i can easly leave that uncommented. Even if i don't share your opinion, i can absolutely understand and respect the way you see things.

 

[FaT_tONle]

All of this is just speculation and your opinion, you know that, right?

I just think its laughable that people think Flash and GL should be more realistic goals when WB can't even get SR2 off the ground... do people actually think Flash and GL solos have more potential than a Superman sequel... heck I'd even try a Superman reboot before I try to get those other franchises off the ground... but its too early for that... maybe in another four years... what is WB supposed to do till then? Just wait for Nolan who may not even do a third movie? That's why JLA sooner than later makes sense... it could be WB's X-Men... and you can flesh out spinoffs like FOX is currently doing... that makes much more sense to me at least... and more sense to WB since that was what they intended... but they got to get a better cast in there.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

WW is definitely popular.

GL and Flash are as popular characters as Iron Man and the Iron Man movie is getting really good buzz. The fact is if you get talented people together with a passion for the material you'll most likely get a good product.

Being "popular" is not a pre-requisite...The mainstream audience had no idea who Blade was, yet that turned into a three film franchise...

Just write a good script, hire some talanted actors and FX people, and i honestly beleive ANY character can be sucessful on the big screen...most certainly characters who already have a fanbase, such as WW, GL, and Flash...

 

[Orin]

I just think its laughable that people think Flash and GL should be more realistic goals when WB can't even get SR2 off the ground... do people actually think Flash and GL solos have more potential than a Superman sequel... heck I'd even try a Superman reboot before I try to get those other franchises off the ground... but its too early for that... maybe in another four years... what is WB supposed to do till then? Just wait for Nolan who may not even do a third movie? That's why JLA sooner than later makes sense... it could be WB's X-Men... and you can flesh out spinoffs like FOX is currently doing... that makes much more sense to me at least... and more sense to WB since that was what they intended... but they got to get a better cast in there.

If the reports that they didn't like Millers cast are true, maybe they will. I mean, it would be pretty absurd to change the whole original plan just because a director didn't picked the actors they aspected him to pick. Also, just because there's a writer strike and you can't do the necessary changes on a script you originally liked dosn't mean you can't rebuild after that strike is over and you have to scrap the whole project. But since it's the WB we're talking about...

 

[stargazer]

I just think its laughable that people think Flash and GL should be more realistic goals when WB can't even get SR2 off the ground... do people actually think Flash and GL solos have more potential than a Superman sequel... heck I'd even try a Superman reboot before I try to get those other franchises off the ground... but its too early for that... maybe in another four years... what is WB supposed to do till then? Just wait for Nolan who may not even do a third movie? That's why JLA sooner than later makes sense... it could be WB's X-Men... and you can flesh out spinoffs like FOX is currently doing... that makes much more sense to me at least... and more sense to WB since that was what they intended... but they got to get a better cast in there.

Don't get me wrong, I want a SR sequel more than anything. What I was trying to say is that WB should also get working on the other big DC characters such as Flash, WW, and GL because I think they have big potential to make good money, if the movie is good that is. If WB haven't done some of those movies by now, imo, it's because they are incompetent and lack vision. SR has Great potential for an epic sequel imo, especially because the cast is very good, especially Routh, who I love as Superman. They just need a powerful supervillain (Brainiac), faster pace, and awesome superfight, imo, and that's all.
And I'm against a JL movie right now. I want solo movies for a while.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Don't get me wrong, I want a SR sequel more than anything. What I was trying to say is that WB should also get working on the other big DC characters such as Flash, WW, and GL because I think they have big potential to make good money, if the movie is good that is. If WB haven't done some of those movies by now, imo, it's because they are incompetent and lack vision. SR has Great potential for an epic sequel imo, especially because the cast is very good, especially Routh, who I love as Superman. They just need a powerful supervillain (Brainiac), faster pace, and awesome superfight, imo, and that's all.
And I'm against a JL movie right now. I want solo movies for a while.

That's fine... but WB tried the approach with their most recognizable character... and Singer ****ed it up completely... old news... but the point is... solo movies have been done before... ensemble pictures haven't... eventually you have to try something new... if your a person that is holding hope that they can eventually reunite everyone under a JLA movie that's fine... but it is pretty stupid business if you ask me... the solos are going to be in different continuity... people at WB have essentially confirmed that Hal Jordan will be in the solo... but not in JLA... and I have no clue what they are doing with the FLash solo considering two Flash's are already in the JLA script... but it will probably be a similar deal... WB is keeping things separate... that could change but that's the deal as we stand... if you are cool with that then that's fine... but people need to stop holding hope that WB is delaying JLA just so that they could take a page from Marvel in the meantime... even if they waited till after 2011 to make a JLA... I think the chances Bale would be in it aren't that much better than getting Bale in a JLA right now... I think the chances would go from 5% to 20% if that...

 

[Donnie Darko]

People need to remember that all these Marvel movies are getting made because Marvel farmed out their characters to so many other studios. If there was just one studio that handled all of Marvel's characters, I doubt we would have 3 X-Men movies, 3 Spider-Man movies, 3 Blade movies, 2 Fantastic Four movies, 2 Hulk movies, Iron Man, Wolverine, Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, and Ghost Rider (all in the last 10 years). They would have to concentrate on a few, much like DC has done. Warner Bros. is a big studio with loads of other film projects, including the juggernaut that is Harry Potter, so they have lots more priorities and less need to risk on lower-tier characters.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Being "popular" is not a pre-requisite...The mainstream audience had no idea who Blade was, yet that turned into a three film franchise...

Just write a good script, hire some talanted actors and FX people, and i honestly beleive ANY character can be sucessful on the big screen...most certainly characters who already have a fanbase, such as WW, GL, and Flash...

I agree with you but this was part of a longer debate/discussion i was havin with Orin.

 

[Orin]

Being "popular" is not a pre-requisite...The mainstream audience had no idea who Blade was, yet that turned into a three film franchise...

Just write a good script, hire some talanted actors and FX people, and i honestly beleive ANY character can be sucessful on the big screen...most certainly characters who already have a fanbase, such as WW, GL, and Flash...

Dude, you don't have to tell me that it's very well possible to do such a great movie for pretty much every DC-character, that even a general audience, who dosn't know the character at all, will come to see it. But what i'm saying is that in reality that's just not going to happen with ALL these characters, so that there would be the build up for a Justice League movie some people expect. But since nobody seems to belive me anyway, i'd say, just nail me on that statement in about fife years, when there still won't be any Green Lantern, Flash and Wonder Woman movies. Hell, if they don't try the JLA before the solo-movies, i'm pretty sure that even ten years from now, we won't have seen all the characters on big screen, that the Justice League movie would've given us. But since it seems that that's what some "fans" of the DC-Universe really want in order the get Nolan to do more Batman movies, they will be at least able to happily look back at nothing elese than their precious third Batman flick then...

 

[Jonathan Chase]

Not that I wasn't looking forward to a JL movie, but I think the world isnt ready for it yet. Yet the world would be ready for a GL movie. Also a good WW movie (make it set in ancient greece). They should first focus on individual movies then try some crossovers. If they scrap the JL project we might see a Routh/Bale, World finest movie and then with them a JL movie in the following years. But first they have to give the other DC heroes some time to develop. They should do it like marvel wants too, either with the original actors or not at all. And they should first make a good Superman movie. And whats this Supermax about? Sounds like a whole load of bull****!

Anyway those are my thoughts what do you guys think?

I personally agree with everything you say here, although I would rather not see Routh back as Superman.

 

[Jonathan Chase]

This strike may end soon and Miller's JL may be back on track.

That's what worries me.

Me too. The idea of a JLA movie right now with no-name actors, characters who haven't been introduced yet, and a continuity out of nowhere just makes me want to cry.

 

[Jonathan Chase]

I agree with you about JL, but whats your problem with Supermax? Im routing for this project. Im sick of origin stories. This could be a very cool movie and make way for more interesting superhero stories.

But don't you think the non comic book fans would want an origin story to explain to them who the hell Green Arrow is?

 

[cerealkiller182]

But don't you think the non comic book fans would want an origin story to explain to them who the hell Green Arrow is?

No, hes a guy who shoots arrows. Thats what an origin story would tell us. His personality is a much bigger draw than his origin story.

 

[Jonathan Chase]

his name is reference in the famous 1976 Black Sabbath tune

Were they actually referencing him though, or was that just a coincidence?

 

[cerealkiller182]

It doesn't matter. It just makes the name recognizable.I wouldn't bet on the song helping sales though.

Although this was at wikipedia,but keep in mind its wiki: "Iron Man" is a song by the rock band Black Sabbath. It was later retconned into the source of Iron Man's name, as it was a young Tony Stark's favorite song. The Sabbath song is used in a trailer for the 2008 movie.

 

[Jonathan Chase]

it could be WB's X-Men... and you can flesh out spinoffs like FOX is currently doing...

But what about Superman and Batman? Would there be spinoffs showing versions of their origins?