Days of Future Past Actors from original trilogy on First Class sequel with Days of Future Past - Part 1

[JP]

Well this one would theoretically double it.

This one, so far, is no different than First Class or X2...

 

[lordofthenerds]

This one, so far, is no different than First Class or X2...

So far. I doubt this it as far as characters though. I'm presuming they'll introduce a couple new ones and announce a few more previous ones.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I can give you that. Though I did think First Class did a good job at making at least 90% of the characters in that film true to their comic selves. But I don't think anything done is irreversible. Look at Black Widow in the MCU. In IM2 you have Scarlett playing a hot redhead who's job is to look pretty, show off her body, and provide minor plot exposition when called for. Cut to the Avengers where she's suddenly playing Black Widow! It's so drastic, and when you watch the two films back to back it's hard to imagine it's the same actress in both roles. But it was necessary.

If only storm and Iceman were undercover agents :'(

(to explain there out of characterness )

 

[psylockolussus]

I'd say that's a legitimate concern, yeah.

It's Singer and Vaughn though. At least Zak Penn and Brett Ratner aren't at the helm.

You forgot to mention Simon Kinberg. Who was also a screenwriter of X3.

 

[JP]

You could say First Class had 18 characters...

Xavier
Magneto
Shaw
Emma
Beast
Havok
Banshee
MacTaggert
Mystique
Riptide
Azazel
Angel
Darwin
Levene
Colonel Hendry
Agent Stryker
Director McCone
and Oliver Platt

 

[JP]

If only storm and Iceman were undercover agents :'(

(to explain there out of characterness )

Haha, I'm not even referring to the under cover aspect. Even after she was "revealed" she was still **** McGee.

Thankfully Whedon fixed that. He gave her a personality, a back story, character traits, and a motive!

 

[lordofthenerds]

You forgot to mention Simon Kinberg. Who was also a screenwriter of X3.

I didn't forget.... I just didn't want to mention it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Haha, I'm not even referring to the under cover aspect. Even after she was "revealed" she was still **** McGee.

Thankfully Whedon fixed that. He gave her a personality, a back story, character traits, and a motive!

Lol even then there were alot of feminists pissed at her in the avenger... Especially that gratuitous ass pose she had in the poster with the guys. (everyone was posed in battle facing forward besides her, who was in an awkward pose showcasing her butt... Lol whedon handled her better than that thankfully

 

[Picard Sisko]

Young Charles
Beast
Havok
Banshee
Young Magneto
Mystique
Old Charles
Old Magneto
Wolverine
Iceman
Rogue
Kitty

That's 12 characters and counting, so, nope.

we have 12 confirmed character look at x men 2 for example

wolverine
storm
jean
cyclops
xavier
magneto
stryker
nightcrawler
iceman
rogue
pyro
jason stryker
mystique
lady deathstrike


xmen first and foremost has always been an ensemble cast it is always gonna have alot of characters

Too many characters is a legitimate concern. My biggest problem with most of the X-Men movies has always been... there are too many characters. I think First Class did a fantastic job with the characters by not introducing too many, though it did have some issues (killing off Darwin unnecessarily for example).

I see it this way. We are going to have too many characters introduced and it will feel cluttered...

OR

We will have a TON of characters who get little to no development and have a very minor role in the overall plot. They are there just for the sake of being there. Not saying this is definitely what is happening, but its a possibility. Not trashing the series, its just a major concern for me.

I also feel like Fox has not made it clear whether or not First Class is a prequel, or a reboot. They use the SAME opening shot as the 2000 film, yet there are so many continuity errors. So I guess you can call it a reboot. BUT... they keep trying to connect it with the original films (such as bringing back the same actors and such). I hope that DOFP really fixes some of these issues, and helps Fox find the direction they want to take the franchise in. I think they've wasted an opportunity to make an expansive X-Men cinematic universe, when all they had to do was make First Class strictly a prequel, and somehow tie-in the upcoming Wolverine film, rather than make it a standalone movie.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think First Class did a fantastic job with the characters by not introducing too many, though it did have some issues (killing off Darwin unnecessarily for example). I see it this way. We are going to have too many characters introduced and it will feel cluttered OR We will have a TON of characters who get little to no development and have a very minor role in the overall plot. They are there just for the sake of being there. Not saying this is definitely what is happening, but its a possibility. Not trashing the series, its just a major concern for me.

First Class introduced Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Darwin, Angel Salvadore, Riptide, Havok, Azazel, Banshee and thats already 8 and I haven't counted the human characters. The number of new characters for X2/Last Stand/Origins isn't much of a difference. With DoFP, they haven't announced a character that haven't appeared in a previous X-Men movie. So need to worry about introducing too many characters, all of the confirmed characters to appear in DOFP were already introduced before.

 

[DigificWriter]

I also feel like Fox has not made it clear whether or not First Class is a prequel, or a reboot. They use the SAME opening shot as the 2000 film, yet there are so many continuity errors. So I guess you can call it a reboot. BUT... they keep trying to connect it with the original films (such as bringing back the same actors and such). I hope that DOFP really fixes some of these issues, and helps Fox find the direction they want to take the franchise in. I think they've wasted an opportunity to make an expansive X-Men cinematic universe, when all they had to do was make First Class strictly a prequel, and somehow tie-in the upcoming Wolverine film, rather than make it a standalone movie.

If that's genuinely how you feel, you weren't paying all that close attention, because Singer and Vaughn made it clear on a number of occasions during the promotional period for the film that the film was meant to be in-continuity with AT LEAST X-Men and X2, if not The Last Stand as well.

Granted, Vaughn did also say that FC was both a prequel and a reboot, but that's really not possible and isn't supported by the film's actual content.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Reboot sometimes can also mean "rejuvinate", "reenergize ", and "reinterest " it doesn't always mean "redo" or "re-tell"

Basically every new franchise is a reboot, but not every reboot is a new franchise.

There's also ambiguous reboots like incredible hulk, punisher war zone, ghostrider sov , and in a sense.... The wolverine . That can easily be taken as sequels even though the previous film is never referenced and there seems to be slight discrepancies.

I think fc was originally suppose to be that, but they ultimately seemed to decide against it.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Lol even then there were alot of feminists pissed at her in the avenger... Especially that gratuitous ass pose she had in the poster with the guys. (everyone was posed in battle facing forward besides her, who was in an awkward pose showcasing her butt... Lol whedon handled her better than that thankfully

And yet in my Avengers poster, she still is the one who has her behind poking out

 

[DigificWriter]

@spideyboy 1111: Actually, a reboot in fiction has only one meaning: to discard all established continuity in a series and start over from the beginning.

Neither First Class nor The Wolverine are reboots; First Class is a prequel to the OXT, and The Wolverine is a self-contained sequel to the OXT; we had originally believed that The Wolverine was going to be a sequel of sorts to Origins: Wolverine, but were mistaken on that front.

Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance is not a reboot either, as it is considered to be a direct sequel to the original Ghost Rider film even though it takes things in a much different direction rather than continuing the story arc(s) set up by the first film; however, by the definition of what does and does not constitute a reboot with regards to serialized fiction, what they with GR: SoV did was not a reboot, but a 'retooling'.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Thrilled to hear of the return of Anna, Shawn and Ellen! Ellen's return in particular bodes well for the accuracy of this particular storyline being honored in the film.

Now...if we can just get Halle Berry/ Storm on board with Famke and James for good measure, our destiny will be complete, as the Emperor would say.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Since Singer directly referenced the fact that Brett Ratner left Kitty, Iceman, and Rogue alive at the end of TLS, I highly doubt that he'll resurrect either Cyclops or Jean, particularly since we already know that The Wolverine is set after the events of TLS and features Wolverine brooding about Jean's death (hence Famke's cameo).

 

[Mrs Vimes]

Does anyone think that DOFP is going to have too many characters?

That's one of my biggest concerns about the movie, yes. I just hope it doesn't end up a mutant Valentine's Day (as someone here put it).

 

[Genosha]

Agreed.

Actually the cameo of names in Stryker's computer sort of lines up with X-Men Origins.

The "big" name that was highlighted was Remy LeBeau, who was a prisoner of Stryker's at one point.

 

[josh8]

I don't mind the big cast, but Singer just needs to make sure each character is relevant to the plot, has a distinct personality, and gets to shine in at least once scene.

He has yet to succeed in that aspect with X1 and X2.

 

[Project862006]

only guy who didn't get to shine was cyclops imo everyone else had their moments

 

[josh8]

only guy who didn't get to shine was cyclops imo everyone else had their moments

I guess it's opinion.

You're absolutely right that Cyclops didn't get to shine, but he did get to have a personality and a role that was relevant to the story. So 2 out of 3 of my criteria! Although that's just the bare minimum criteria I have for supporting characters and Cyclops should have been a lead.

Storm had some moments to shine in terms of power display, but had no character development or relevance to the plot. The scenes with Nightcrawler were ok, but nothing that was integral to anything really. And in X1, nothing at all.

In X1, I understand budget and time were a big factor. X2 had similar issues, but Bryan definitely improved. That's why for DOFP I'm pulling for him to make his most balanced effort yet!

 

[X-Maniac]

So there's uh.... Almost a 10 year gap between x1 and x2??? Nsyncs "bye bye bye" wasn't made in the 90s.....

NSync's track was released in 2000, the same year the film came out. So if we said X1 must take place in 2000, that wouldn't be the 'not too distant future' either because the story would happen in that exact year.

Let's face it, nothing lines up completely. None of the explanations is watertight but that's the nature of this series.

 

[X-Maniac]

Lol years are more than just slapping a number on them. Theres plenty of pop culture, technology, and fashion qualities that set a mood for a decade. There's no way in hell the xmen trilogy is in the 90s...

And there's no way in hell the trilogy can be too far in the future either, given that Xavier was stated to be aged 12 in 1944 in X-Men: First Class (and Magneto must have been a similar age).

If Xavier is 12 in 1944, he was 30 in 1962 when the Cuban Missile Crisis took place. Calculating forwards from that, he would be 60 in 1992 and 70 in 2002. How old did Patrick Stewart look in the original trilogy? Stewart was 60 when X1 came out, 63 when X2 came out and 66 when X3 came out. You couldn't make his character much older.

So it's no use thinking this happens a lot further forward in time because it doesn't work.

 

[josh8]

Haha I'm not going to let one NSYNC song lockdown the timeline completely!

 

[The Englishman]

^ Since Singer directly referenced the fact that Brett Ratner left Kitty, Iceman, and Rogue alive at the end of TLS, I highly doubt that he'll resurrect either Cyclops or Jean, particularly since we already know that The Wolverine is set after the events of TLS and features Wolverine brooding about Jean's death (hence Famke's cameo).

Who says he has to resurrect Cyclops??....